*Yes this is a AI summarized (first gemini then Chat to check for errors)

I'm not cool with lying about use of AI in music or lying in general. The only way the public at large will ever see AI use in music as legitimate is if it's first honest about it.

SH Labs analyzed 1 million+ tracks — nearly 40% showed signs of AI use

This is pretty wild.

According to a new analysis from SH Labs, SubmitHub's technology division, 38.5% of more than 1 million tracks analyzed showed some form of AI usage.

The breakdown:

• 23.2% were classified as fully AI-generated
• 15.3% contained AI-generated audio that had subsequently been modified or processed by humans
• Of the artists whose tracks were flagged for AI, 31% apparently denied using AI when asked about it during SubmitHub's submission process

SubmitHub says its AI detector has >99% accuracy, and claims the technology is already being used by Bandcamp, Traxsource, SlopTracker, multiple music distributors, and one unnamed major label.

What's especially interesting is how the industry is responding.

Beatport is refusing fully or substantially AI-generated tracks, as well as unauthorized AI voice cloning. However, it still allows AI tools for things like mixing, mastering and stem separation.

Spotify is introducing an "AI Personas" badge in September. According to EDM.com, AI-generated artist profiles will be excluded from editorial and algorithmic playlists, while users would have to explicitly follow them to encounter them in personalized feeds.

And the RIAA, Grammys and other industry groups have introduced a voluntary labeling system intended to distinguish between AI-generated, AI-assisted and human-created music.

So the direction the industry seems to be taking isn't necessarily "ban AI." It's increasingly looking like "disclose it."

Personally, I think that's the more interesting issue here. AI being used as a production tool is one thing. An entirely AI-generated artist submitting music while explicitly claiming it was made without AI is a very different problem.

One important caveat: these numbers come from music analyzed by SubmitHub's system, so they shouldn't automatically be interpreted as "40% of all music is AI." Still, 38.5% is a pretty staggering number.

Source: EDM.com — “1 in 3 Artists Lie About AI Use in Their Music”

Studio 2.0 accidentally taught me something about production.
While working on a song I was previously trying in legacy and crossed over to the new version, I layered three versions of my vocal: lead centered, with two quieter doubles panned left and right at about -12 dB and given reverb.
Somewhere in the process, one of the doubles got slightly time-shifted/warped. Basically, I got overwhelmed(still learning.)
But when I listened back, the offset stereo vocals + reverb created this strange temporal quality—like different versions of the voice were arriving from slightly different moments rather than simply occupying different places in the stereo field.
And it fit the song.
That’s when something clicked:
AI can generate the sound. The artist decides why that sound exists.
It gave me enough control, (and the new plugins for reverb I’ve been dying for)— to hear an accident, understand what it was doing emotionally, and decide that the “mistake” belonged in the finished record.
That’s what excites me about 2.0. The generation doesn’t have to be the finished product anymore. It can be material—something we separate, move, layer, distort, mix, and give intention to.
Out of reverence for my song, I ultimately left some of its imperfections intact. They felt more appropriate than polishing the life out of it.
I’ll leave the track below for anyone curious to hear what I’m describing.

[Dark Cinematic Funeral Anthem] “Ash Testament” by Decoherence

https://suno.com/s/UEHJS8jIuEL25HGS

They just keep nailing it lol. I can't unsee whatever that is

TLDR: In the near term future, suno will be completely in lock step with music industry itself. Which will completely destroy one of the "Main arguments" against it.

Yes this is an AI (Chat GPT) summary, very clever of you to point that out! If there is anything that's actually incorrect (from what I can tell it's solid) please let me know and I'll correct it. (Looking at you Synkretik our resident wiz kid)

BMG just settled with Suno. Here’s what the deal actually says — and what it DOESN’T

A lot of people are reacting to the BMG/Suno announcement, so I went through the actual BMG announcement and the reporting around it.

There’s a pretty big story here, but also a lot of misinformation already floating around.

The short version: BMG has settled with Suno and signed a forward-looking licensing/partnership agreement covering both recorded music AND publishing.

BMG announced the deal on August 12.

According to BMG itself, the agreement:

• covers BMG’s recorded-music and music-publishing repertoire

• is part of Suno’s upcoming first music model developed in partnership with the music industry

• allows BMG artists and songwriters who choose to participate to have their rights protected and receive compensation

• settles Suno’s prior use of BMG recordings and publishing works

That last point is important.

This isn't simply "BMG gave Suno permission to use its catalog going forward."

The agreement explicitly settles prior use as well as establishing the framework for the future.

Source: BMG's announcement
https://www.bmg.com/news/bmg-and-suno-announce-global-strategic-alliance-advancing-ai-music-opportunities-and-revenue-streams

What we DON'T know

This is where I think people need to be careful.

BMG says the deal establishes "clear economics," but the actual economics have not been publicly disclosed.

There is currently no public figure for:

• how much Suno paid BMG for the settlement
• the licensing fee
• royalty percentages
• minimum guarantees
• how revenue is divided
• exactly how participating works are weighted
• exactly how the training/licensing system works technically

So anyone claiming to know the exact financial terms right now is either working from non-public information or speculating.

And this is NOT the same thing as saying "all BMG music is now training Suno"

This distinction is getting lost.

BMG's own language says artists and songwriters "who choose to participate."

BMG represents more than 3 million songs and recordings, but that doesn't mean all 3+ million automatically become available to Suno's new model.

The announcement is describing an opt-in framework.

That's actually one of the most significant parts of this deal.

Why BMG matters

BMG is effectively the fourth major music rightsholder, and this is another major piece of the music industry moving from:

"AI company is using our music without permission"

to:

"AI company licenses our music and we participate in the economics."

Warner did essentially this with Suno back in November 2025.

Warner's deal was particularly explicit that Suno would launch new, more advanced licensed models in 2026 and eventually retire the existing models.

Warner also said artists/songwriters would have control over whether their names, images, likenesses, voices and compositions were used in new AI-generated music.

Source: Warner Music Group
https://www.wmg.com/news/warner-music-group-and-suno-forge-groundbreaking-partnership

BMG now gives Suno another major catalog relationship.

Meanwhile, Sony and Universal are still litigating against Suno.

So the landscape is basically:

Warner → settled + licensed partnership

BMG → settled + licensed partnership

Sony → still litigating

Universal → still litigating

That is a pretty dramatic shift from where Suno was when the original lawsuits were filed.

But here's the part I'm watching most closely

The BMG announcement repeatedly talks about a new model and "new music experiences."

Suno has already said that its next generation of models will be built differently, with licensed industry data and additional safeguards.

And Suno has simultaneously announced new measures around:

• download limits
• audio watermarking
• fingerprinting
• combating mass distribution / streaming fraud
• making AI-generated music easier to identify

Those things are happening at basically the same time as these licensing deals.

That strongly suggests Suno isn't simply trying to make the old product with a legal cover sheet.

They're building a different business model around licensed AI music.

Whether that's ultimately better or worse for users is the interesting question.

One thing I DON'T think we should assume

I've seen people saying things like:

"All Suno outputs will now be monitored by the labels."

"Everything you make will belong to BMG."

"BMG will own your songs."

"The new model will only be allowed to make music that sounds like BMG artists."

None of those claims are established by the public BMG announcement.

The deal concerns BMG's repertoire and participation in Suno's industry-developed models. It does NOT publicly say that BMG owns ordinary Suno users' creations.

Likewise, the public announcement doesn't disclose enough technical detail to tell us exactly how BMG's licensed material will influence generated outputs.

So let's separate what we KNOW from what we're guessing.

My read

This is probably the clearest sign yet that Suno is trying to move from being an adversarial "scrape the internet and generate music" company into something closer to a licensed music platform.

And honestly, I think that's both good AND potentially bad news.

Good:

Artists/rightsholders are being brought into the economics.

Suno gets legitimate licensed catalogs.

The lawsuits may become less existential.

The company can potentially build more sophisticated models with known provenance.

There is a path toward artists voluntarily participating in AI instead of simply fighting it.

Bad:

We're already seeing restrictions on downloads.

Existing models are being phased out as the licensed generation strategy rolls forward.

The financial terms are opaque.

And the big unanswered question is how much freedom ordinary users retain once the labels become part of the product architecture.

That's the part I'd like to hear from this sub.

Do you think licensed models are ultimately going to make Suno better — or are we watching Suno slowly turn from a creative tool into a music-industry-controlled platform?

And perhaps the biggest question:

If Suno's next model is genuinely better than 4.5+/5.5 while being trained/licensed legitimately, does any of the rest of this actually matter to you?

got love to give, can't give any...

prepare for the bass and upbeat heart ache ❤️💔❤️

https://suno.com/s/SUbzZXK2GvqZv9vw

Before the common enemy of AI, the folks who gleefully poop on anything AI touches as slop simply had different targets.

Back in the day when I wrote my songs (late 2000s), I was criticized because I "couldn't sing" or didn't have the look or presence to "dare" to be seen as a music artist.

Be it my family telling me to go outside when practicing my guitar, or My Dad's words of encouragement "You suck", "Heard you singing last night boy (sips beer at 9 am and chuckles) I'd give that up"

Online spaces filled with similar negativity between fledgling music artists, each harshly critiquing each other like drowning swimmers pushing each other down to reach the surface.

And the audiences at open mics staring blankly up at you while you nervously performed your original music, to be met with tepid applause as they look around the room to see how others are responding before deciding how to themselves.

When you do everything manually, critics fixate on the superficial wrap: tone, appearance, production value, charisma, or vocal range. Then, when you leverage modern tech to bridge those exact gaps so the focus can finally be on the actual song structure, melody, and composition, the things I actually poured my heart into, the goalposts shift to "well, now it's just machine slop."

The reality is that traditional music industry culture has always heavily weighted the "package" (the front-person, the look, the perfect performance) over the raw architectural art of songwriting.

If people are going to dismiss the human performance as "not good enough" and then dismiss the AI-assisted performance as "slop," it says a lot more about their desire to gatekeep than it does about the quality or validity of the work. Which fine, you genuinely may not like my songs in any form. That's fair.

Just don't act like you'd suddenly have given a shit about me or my music if I posted the Raw demo, in fact you probably care MORE because I'm using Hybrid workflow, it's just caring can be negative too.

All that to say, my songs are HUMAN SLOP.

And you can set your watch to that.

Here is definitive proof I am both Human and a Musician!

https://youtu.be/iWi9d6lXl_4

Ever wonder how other countries view America now?

Our actions speak louder then words.

My words, dropped into Suno.

ENJOY

If you have a little bit of time on your hands, check out my ai music. I wrote 100% and directed most aspects. I can't sing so this was a fun experiment. #SinsOfTheFather #miseago #blackstranger

https://youtube.com/shorts/CI5VTl4i-Ec?is=9ZGqTfh1E3CdGe69

I just found an app great for the times your lost for words it's https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.traianarion.promptmaschine

hope it's ok if I share it but it is so good and has so many options you will definitely hear the difference as the owner of a Suno prompt group I am contently looking to improve the prompt to get the sound I want and this just saved me a lot of time.