I wrote this song the summer I was 21. The catalyst for the song was one day I was out on a bike ride and a very pretty girl and her friend were out running and she waved at me, I nodded. We later ran in to each other at the beach and as she was walking passed me she gave me a big smile and said "Hi!" I nodded. lol classic. And that's that.

Well I absolutely kicked myself over that for quite a while resulting in this song. Additionally the "falling trees, drying seas" line was just a direct observation of my surroundings as we were in a drought that year, the lake was super low and a Tornado had ripped through my favorite park knocking down lots of old growth trees.

All the background voices of the "party" are just me and my buddy making all the different voices/sounds of a typical late 2000's college house party.

The visuals are all real photos from my college folder, although they are all from freshman - sophomore year so I was 18-19 in all of the photos.

As usual I slightly modified the faces of everyone to protect everyones privacy, enough to make everyone instantly recognizable to those who know, but different enough that no "face detection" software could detect precisely.

I think to anyone following the channel has probably got a good sense of who "I" am in these, but there are a couple photos that I didn't altar at all because I didn't think you can make out enough detail as it was. Those being the hallway shot at 15 seconds (I'm the guy in back with grey shirt, the alien shot are unchanged. My avatar is also the guy at the end of passes out lol.

The original demo is still in the drivers seat and includes my OG rhythm and soloing guitars, my original vocals and my buddies original backing vocals. All the "party voices" are original 2 and just me and my buddy doing all the voices.

With Suno I added a lead vocal to strengthen mine, bass, Djembe, and brass.

Penny for ye thoughts!?

So one of my biggest frustrations in Studio.

Is when you select a track and set it to a specific instrument. It often generates an ENTIRE song instead of just the instrument you wanted.

Even just a few days ago I couldn't get shit to work with my original demo I uploaded.

I'm not sure if my prompt change is causing the vastly improved results or if they updated something on the back end but. Last night EVERYTHING I generated to accompany my OG demo was good. Normally its like 1 -2 out of 10 generations is decent. But last night I was shooting fish in a barrel there is only one small phrase I added for the first time that I can point to as an explanation.

For example, this is my prompt for bass

"Electric Bass only. No other instruments. Rotoscope/copy the exact play style of the guitar in track 1. Any additional instruments will make your generation null and void. "

"Any additional instruments will make your generation null and void"

Adding that phrase to my prompt be it for vocals, bass, drums etc seemed to be the golden goose.

Virtually everything I added that phrase too, gave me the isolated instrument I wanted and nothing more.

Coincidence? I'm not sure.

Also for you Aunties, take a look at my prompt. Does it sound like I'm trying to "steal" anyones music? Doofuses.

The Good: High Ownership & Hybrid Validation

• Absolute Copyright Retention: You maintain 100% commercial ownership of your masters, lyrics, publishing, and copyrights. Suno is acting as a financial sponsor, not a predatory record label or publisher trying to take a cut of your backend backend streams.
• The Hybrid Workflow Loophole: Your music does not have to be entirely AI-generated. Suno explicitly states it can just be used for "idea generation," drafting, or baseline stems. You are completely free to take those ideas out of Suno, dump them into a traditional DAW (like Pro Tools or Logic), track live human guitars, vocals, or bass, and mix it traditionally.
• Serious Financial Backing: Funding is paid out as a project grant ranging from thousands to tens of thousands of dollars, depending on the scope of the project you pitch.
• Double Cash Pools: You get one pool of money directly for creative project funding (production/gear/assets) and a separate dedicated budget earmarked solely for social media marketing.
• Industry Access & Perks: Includes a dedicated partner manager, free Suno Premier accounts, early beta feature access, and invitations to co-writing camps alongside established, non-AI industry professionals.

🟡 The Bad: Strict Scope & Marketing Handcuffs

• The Isolated Track Cap (1 to 12 Songs): This is a highly specific, finite brand partnership. They are only sponsoring the specific 1 to 12 songs you pitch in your forward-looking project proposal. They do not fund your ongoing catalog or unapproved spin-offs.
• Mandatory Remix is Strictly Containerized: While the tracks you build for the Spark program must be published to Suno with "Open to Remix" turned on, this does not touch your broader catalog. Your past releases, private vault tracks, and any music made outside the scope of this 1-to-12 song project remain completely locked down and under your private control.
• No Retroactive Funding: You cannot apply with a song you have already finished, mixed, and distributed to Spotify or Apple Music. Spark is explicitly an incubator for future creation. You must pitch a new project, though you can potentially sneak past this by pitching a "reimagined/deluxe hybrid EP" built around older baseline stems.
• Forced Transparency: You cannot run a stealth project. Every single track released under the program must be promoted across TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube, and you are contractually obligated to explicitly disclose and highlight that Suno was part of the process.

🔴 The Ugly: Creative Muzzles & Brand Placement

• Content Pre-Approval Checkpoints: You do not have absolute rogue freedom. Before you record final tracks or shoot promotional videos, your concepts must be submitted to Suno for formal review and written approval. They can force you to re-record or change directions to protect their corporate image before unlocking milestone grant payments.
• The "Good Vibes Only" Clause: Because you are essentially a paid brand ambassador, the contract features strict non-disparagement terms. You cannot publicly trash the software, criticize features that glitch, or make negative statements about the platform while under their dime and "thereafter" whatever the hell that means!
• Competitor Lockout Period: Once you wrap up the program, you may face a restricted window where you are legally barred from signing a similar paid developer, endorsement, or creator partnership with Suno's direct AI music competitors (like Udio).
• Serving as a PR Billboard: AI music remains highly polarizing in traditional musician circles. By taking Suno's cash, your public artist brand becomes a literal shield for the company to prove that "human musicians and AI can peacefully coexist." You have to be completely comfortable absorbing any potential anti-AI industry or community blowback that comes with carrying that torch.

It's tempting for sure, but the muzzle specifically and the loss of creative control if some corporate suit doesn't like my lyric, he can tell me to change it.

Makes me leaning towards Passing on applying.

I have lots of criticisms of Suno, mostly about the tool's interface and functionality.

So they can fuck right off.

This is one of the stranger tracks in my catalog. A throwaway for sure.

Not sure there is any meaning to it other than expressing mental anguish.

All the vocals/voices are original. Guitar is original. And I added with my midi keyboard bass and cello.

There is no AI instrumentation in this one, only some subtle ambiences. Suno had no idea how to work with this lol.

The visuals of the zombie and the meditating man are both real images from my college folder. And yes those are my actual pepperonis.

Obviously I animated the photos with AI as well.

Penny for ye thoughts?

TLDR Ya ya. I think this is important to establish common ground.

I just came across newly uploaded 30 minute tutorial by an online creator showing "how to make thousands from AI-generated music." I'm deliberately leaving their name and link out of this because I don’t want to start a witchhunt against one specific person. Instead, I want to look at the mechanics of what they laid out, because Imo Whether you are "Pro-AI" and excited about the future of tech, or "Anti-AI" and fiercely protective of traditional ways, I think we can all look at this operational model and agree

content farming is unethical and more than that is a snake eating it's own tail

Here is how the assembly line works

1. Algorithm First, Creative Intent Zero

The process doesn’t start with a melody, a chord progression, or an emotional spark. It starts in ChatGPT to mine high-traffic SEO terms. The goal is to reverse-engineer an album based entirely on what people are already searching for (like specific historical or regional themes) purely to capture accidental algorithmic search traffic.

2. The Copy-Paste Assembly Line

From there, the "production" is literally just copying and pasting those ChatGPT text strings into Suno. The operator sets a generic vocal persona, hits generate, and selects whichever iteration sounds less broken. They don't write a single lyric, compose a melody, or touch an instrument. DALL-E handles the art; an aggregator like DistroKid handles the distribution.

3. The Industrial Scale

While a single side-project might only make a baseline passive income, the tutorial notes that the people making the real money are treating music like a literal factory floor releasing 3 to 4 full albums a week across dozens of fake AI personas to flood streaming platforms and skim fractions of cents off the ecosystem.

The Toxic Spillover: Why Original Music is Getting Blocked

This factory-scale churning isn’t just an ethical debate anymore it is actively breaking the tools for actual independent creators.

If you’ve been tracking the community forums or Reddit over the last few weeks, you’ve probably seen the massive uproar about Suno's automated copyright filters falsely flagging and blocking 100% original, unreleased human music. Independent musicians trying to upload their own guitar tracks, acoustic demos, or original lyrics are getting slapped with immediate blocks because the system claims the content "already exists."

This tutorial inadvertently reveals exactly why the ecosystem is collapsing: Content farms are generating millions of generic, algorithmic audio files and immediately registering them through aggregators to streaming platforms.

Because these farms flood the digital landscape with endless, randomized combinations of chords, rhythms, and basic phrases, the streaming indexes are getting crowded with synthetic noise. When Suno's automated safety filters scan these distributed catalogs, they see a mathematical match and lock human creators out of their own art. The system can’t tell the difference between a farm spamming the web and a human uploading a heartfelt demo, so it just blocks the human. The system is choking on its own volume.

Finding Common Ground

In our project and sub, we advocate for a Hybrid Model using technology as a supportive production tool to help realize authentic, human-authored songs, while keeping the core songwriting at a minimum the lyrics strictly human.

But this "industrial" approach shows the exact opposite end of the spectrum. It isn't creative experimentation.

It is the monetization of digital landfill.

And that leads to an interesting realization: You don't have to hate AI to hate this, and you don't have to love traditional recording to see the problem.

• If you are Anti-AI: This is your worst nightmare realized the complete erasure of human effort in favor of automated, transactional noise.
• If you are Pro-AI: This should still frustrate you, because it represents the lowest, laziest use case of the tech. It clogs the pipes, ruins the utility of the tools for actual artists, and gives AI tools a terrible reputation by using them to spam the internet for a quick buck instead of self expression.
• When a tool is used by marketers entirely to bypass human thought, human effort, and human passion just to pollute streaming algorithms and choke out genuine art, it isn't music anymore. It’s just industrial filler.

What do you think? Can both sides of the aisle agree that this kind of algorithmic mass-production is toxic for the future of music?

If you are a pro and disagree with me, let me know why.

This little number was just me dinking around on the guitar (age 21) trying to flush out a song out of the vibe and muttering to myself as I do.

Never did find the song, but still liked it for some reason.

All the guitar (rhythm and soloing) are original and me (I overdubbed the solo) and obviously all of the "vocals", if you can call them that are original as well.

With Suno I added, drums, bass and trumpet, then took it into Bandlab where I added some subtle Tuba with my midi keyboard.

To me now its kind of a demonstration of what it's like trying to find a melody/song structure on the guitar, most of the time, "That doesn't Work"

My poor cat (Rip) had to suffer through all of it.

This is just another little throwaway in my catalog, not really one of my "finished songs"

Anyway, Penny for ye thoughts!?

MBSR: This project is a "Wedding" between personal history and generative realization. Vocals/Performance: Realized via high-fidelity AI models. Composition/Lyrics: 100% Human

Someone said this to me on youtube in a reply to my comment and I thought it was a thoughtful comment and thought I'd throw it up for discussion.

My original comment "I will continue to use AI to enhance the compositions I made decades ago, with zero shame."

His comment:

"Honestly, Almost nobody outside music industry actually cares.

The average Spotify listener doesn't know if a song is AI assisted. Doesn't check. Doesn't care. If it sounds good it goes on the playlist. End of story.

The average TikTok user cares even less. They care if the sound fits the vibe of their video. AI or human is completely irrelevant to that decision.

The people actually invested in this debate are AI music creators, traditional musicians whose income is genuinely threatened, music journalists who need the controversy for content, AI companies wanting legitimacy, and record labels who are quietly figuring out how to own and monetize AI music themselves. That 'protect the artists' framing from labels is partially cover for protecting their own business model.

Everyone else casual listeners, brands, game developers, content creators they just want something that sounds good and is cheap to license. AI is a gift to them and they don't lose sleep over how it was made.

The uncomfortable truth is that the audience purists claim to be protecting music FOR doesn't actually share their values about how music gets made.

Listeners have always been indifferent to process. They care about the feeling a song gives them.

That was true before AI. It's true now.

Do you realize this entire debate exists only between creators and industry insiders? The actual audience never cared!"

Is he right? Is he wrong? Somewhere in between?

This little instrumental I wrote while Studying abroad in Europe. It is meant to be a foreshadowing for a bigger song that is similar but different. That song will be not be coming for a while yet though in this project. The guitar (and mic buzz lol) are original. A simply added a cello to accompany my guitar and that is it.

The visual I actually filmed myself last night with my insta360 camera.

I realize there is not much to this one, but penny for ye thoughts?

MBSR: This project is a "Wedding" between personal history and generative realization. Vocals/Performance: Realized via high-fidelity AI models. Composition/Lyrics: 100% Human

This was my first "experimental" song I ever made decades ago, at the age of 18.

I had run my guitar through some effect in Adobe Premiere back then to create that rhythm that sounds like a sheet of metal being vibrated that the entire track is based around. I really wish I still had the original guitar track without the effect, I’d love to hear that now, but alas it’s lost to time.
Any voices or animal sounds you may or may not hear are all my 18 year old self as well.

The only discernible words are at the beginning “Listen to it, Now!” and at the end “Magic”
With Suno I added an electric guitar, bass, strings and drums.
I call it "Experimetal".

As for the video, I limited myself to only photos I could find in my “college” photo album. So each shot was Of me and my friends from those years, animated with AI. Because many of the photos were already obscured from the heavy effects on them, I didn’t modify faces at all in this one. Anyway, it's a pretty simple video. I didn't really put a whole lot of time into it. I didn't want to burn too many credits as I need them for my video essay I'm working on!

Penny for ye thoughts?

MBSR: This project is a "Wedding" between personal history and generative realization. Vocals/Performance: Realized via high-fidelity AI models. Composition/Lyrics: 100% Human

EDIT: MAKE SURE YOU READ SYNKRETIKS Clarification along with the Article's information which was misleadingly framed by it's author, but still has useful insights.

Study: 1 in 3 Musicians Already Use AI for Inspiration

A new study from Berklee College of Music's Emerging Artistic Technology Lab (BEATL) surveyed over 1,000 music industry professionals, revealing that AI adoption is moving much faster than the industry expected.

📊 Key Findings from the Berklee Study:

• 33% of artists use AI to generate initial ideas, melodies, or reference tracks that they later rework.
• 26% of artists are using AI to create full backing tracks in their final, finished products.
• 31% of musicians use AI for lyric generation.
• 18% experiment with AI during the creative process but make sure to keep it entirely out of the final released track.

📈 The "Experience" Twist

Contrary to conventional wisdom, established veterans are embracing AI much more than beginners.

• 56% of artists "just starting out" use AI in some capacity.
• 92% of "full-time" creators are utilizing AI tools.

🛑 The Catch: Fans Aren't Buying It Yet

While creators are diving in headfirst, a separate THR/Frost School of Music poll found that 52% of respondents have zero interest in listening to music from their favorite artists if it was made with the help of AI. Completely synthetic acts are still making waves, though, with tracks like Breaking Rust’s country hit “Walk My Walk” gaining massive traction.

This was the article, now the Nuances (Credit to Synkretik for actually having just read the full study)

"The study - as per usual from frontend "glitz rags" - is being quite misrepresented. Also, the study is 54-pages long. Just finished it and have some notes.

First and foremost there is a foundational misframe, which is confirmed by the methodology appendix. This is a music-for-video study, US-only, recruited from LinkedIn/Facebook groups, `Respondent.io` and Pollfish for a $5 honorarium.

The screening criteria required every respondent to create video content with music. So the entire sample is pre-filtered to people making social video - there is no "pure musician who only records albums" in here, literally by design.

I lifted this from the "Executive Summary" -

"The Two-Sided Creator Economy
This report presents the findings of a national survey study, representing 1,003 survey responses from video creators, musicians, brand marketers, music supervisors, and respondents who split their work between music and video, asking how they actually choose, source, license, and produce music for social media video in 2026. The study was designed to read both sides of the music-for-video-economy at once, because the people choosing music are increasingly the same people producing it. Learn more about the study methodology and sample in Appendix A."

also -

"Second, this survey focused specifically on music use in short-form social media video, including video for YouTube (short- or long-form), TikTok, Instagram Reels, Snapchat, and more."

This is just in the introductory "Executive Summary". The data later in the report makes the framing of the post and how it was presented by the "glitz rags" much worse."

SYNKRETIK

Song posts with no or insufficient context (by character count/good faith participation) will be removed on sight.

I figured I'd start with the most benign of the three rule changes and go from there.

From now on you will need to give the following format to your song posts or it will be blocked by Auto-Mod or removed if seen.

[Genre] Your song title and/or a brief description of the song/vibes.

Please ensure you comply with the new rule as of the time of this post.

I'm not sure if any of these changes can help foster a more cohesive community but with the vast majority of song posts going ignored, I figured it can only improve.

"Only Dreaming", written and composed at the age of 19, two decades ago.

The story behind the music is one night before my 20th birthday, playing a guitar that was missing 1-2 strings. I played this melody spontaneously for the first and only time. I happened to be recording with my Mini-DV camera which is why the guitar sounds low fi. The original guitar is still center focus in the Suno Mix.

In Suno, I added, Strings, Bass, and Drums.

The stories behind the images are too numerous to tell. Each shot is from a real photo taken by me or my friends when I was 14-17 years of age. I used AI not only to animate the images, but also turned everyone into doppelgängers of themselves to help add a layer of privacy, but any of my friends would instantly recognize who is who based off the clothes, hair and context.

MBSR: This project is a "Wedding" between personal history and generative realization. Vocals/Performance: Realized via high-fidelity AI models. Composition/Lyrics: 100% Human

Aunties are encouraged to comment

Penny for ye thoughts!?

A Morality Play is a type of drama popular in the 15th and 16th centuries in Europe where abstract concepts such as virtues and vices are personified by human characters who struggle for the soul of the protagonist, often representing all of humanity struggling against temptation and seeking salvation.

Written and composed at the age of 19, two decades ago. Realized faithfully to the original concept using my demo from the time and modern tools like SUNO.

The original demo that I had to work with was not one I intended to be representative of the song. It was more of a practice and wasn't high enough quality fully make the Suno mix, timing was drifting too much and worse of all my guitar was not tuned correctly, sigh. Of course I'm glad I have it over not having anything, but wish I had a better demo to use.

That said, my original guitar is still playing sporadically throughout and my original vocals are also still singing backup. I wanted the lead vocal to sound deep baritone almost like a Leonard Cohen style voice as I thought that worked well for the composition.

MBSR: This project is a "Wedding" between personal history and generative realization. Vocals/Performance: Realized via high-fidelity AI models. Composition/Lyrics: 100% Human

Penny for ye thoughts?

Why hasn't suno approached Reddit to have that subreddit taken down? It is literally people trashing the idea of suno on every single post. It is insanity and people will mistake it for an official subreddit.

What would everyone think of these potential changes?

When I implemented the Hybrid Rules, the goal was simply to champion AI as a tool, not a replacement for Human authorship, intent and creativity in an online space increasingly flooded by fully automated, low effort content.

Since their implementation, we've grown the weekly engagement of the sub by 72%

Which, I think adds weight to the idea that people are hungering for more than the novelty of a new tool.

In order to help raise the bar on this concept here are a few ideas for rule changes

1. Mandatory Title Formatting

Proposed Format: [Genre] Song title and/or brief description of the song/vibe

It helps listeners immediately find the styles they enjoy and keeps the feed looking clean and organized.

2. "Behind the song" Body Requirement.

No more blank text boxes with just a URL. If you post a track, you must include a short paragraph in the body explaining:

- The How: Briefly describe your process to create the song

-The Why: Why did you make the song? What does it mean to you as the creator? Is there a story behind it etc?

If you don't care enough about your song to write at least a few sentences about it's creation, we can't expect the community to care enough to listen.

3. The 24 hour Engagement Rule (Good Faith Interaction)

- The Rule: If a member leaves a good faith compliment, question or critique on your song, you will be required to reply to them within 24 hours. Failure to engage with your own audience will result in the post being removed.

-Why: Community is a two way street. If ya want people to invest their limited time on this space rock, listening to and commenting on your work, you need to be willing to invest the time to at least respond to them.

-This will need to be community policed at some level, if you comment in good faith on a post and they don't reply, report the post to the mod team and it will be removed.

TO BE CLEAR: BAD FAITH TROLLING OR INSULTS OR "AUNTIE" Comments can be ignored and wont be count against you. I'm not expecting you to respond to "SLOP!" "SOUL LESS!" "GET A LIFE" trolls.

Let me do that for you if you want 😄 it's my pleasure!

What do you guys think?

EDIT: SO FAR FROM THE FEEDBACK

24 hours to reply to a comment seems to be seen as too tight. 72 hours seems to be suggested a few times.

This is an intensely personal song, Written in a very despairing time. If you are an "Auntie" here to throw mud and want to try and hurt my feelings (good luck), this is the song to do it on.

I wrote this song shortly after turning 22 nearly two decades ago.

This song is in my top 3 favorites that I ever wrote.

Unfortunately I never made it a "proper" (by my basement standards) demo so had to use the only version I had which was not meant to be official demo.

I did leave a vocal easter egg in the new mix though and Suno couldn't have done a better job Rotoscoping my guitar playing and vocal delivery.

By far, of all my songs, this is the one I played to myself the most.

Penny for ye thoughts?

"My love is gone", written and composed at the age of 22, nearly two decades ago. Realized faithfully to the original concept using my demo from the time and modern tools like SUNO.

MBSR: This project is a "Wedding" between personal history and generative realization. Vocals/Performance: Realized via high-fidelity AI models. Composition/Lyrics: 100% Human