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Mine was the first one, i think one of the most brilliant pilots ever made and the aberfan episode.

Now before the pitchforks come out, let me explain. Edward was, and this is an understatement, a very questionable person. However I still feel like he was treated rather harshly. I recently started watching the show after procrastinating for years. I've known the lore of Edward abdicating in order to marry Wallis Simpson for years now but watching the show has given me a new perspective on this.

Edward (David at the time) was meant to be king. However, he was in love with Wallis Simpson, an American divorcee. Their marriage would have gone against the rules of the Church of England. He then chose to abdicate because of this and Albert (King George VI) became king. This obviously was a point of contention as he never wanted to be king and his death is attributed to this.

Whilst this is all well and good, I just feel like Edward gets an unnecessary amount of grief for this. He was seemingly willing to be king, however the restrictive rules of the monarchy forced him to abdicate. He wanted to be with the woman he loved. This is not unreasonable at all. If he is going to be in the most burdensome position as seen throughout the show and real life, him being able to love who he wants should not be too tall of an ask. Obviously I understand that this was just how things were back then.

This is why I think that rest of the family treating him like he was a mass-murder (ironic as he sympathised with some) was quite cruel. He didn't want his brother to die. He just wanted to marry his partner. Placing blame on him for the death of the king is idiotic. He just had a lung removed and yet continued to smoke. Did it not occur to anyone to point this out?

I understand that the show takes MASSIVE creative liberties with the characters, their behaviour and personalities but I just wanted to know if anyone else felt this way?
P.S. Was not quite sure whether this would fall under the flair of a question or discussion. Sorry in advance

She was the best in speaking like the queen, and showing emotion through her eyes , and how well she portrays that even though time she’s under confident from the inside she never allows herself to show it to anyone, genuinely one of my favourite all time actors only cus of this show

First of all I realize it’s a dramatization of actual events for, well, drama’s sake. But every time the young queen is corrected, or coerced, or steered in one direction or another by staff I can’t stand it. She’s the queen, she’s literally your boss! Just because you’re a man doesn’t mean you know better! I also realize that in the 50’s (60’s, 70’s…) the male palace staff probably thought that they *did* know better. It just creams my corn.

Also, her mother is awful, so Victoria Hamilton did a great job portraying that and making me hate her with very few exceptions! (The darling scene in Scotland when the older gentleman didn’t recognize her and wanted to sell her a castle was one such exception!)

I have finished S3.. It is very good the only thing I would change is them making the character changes more clear.... Looking at from a new watcher's pov it was a lil hard understanding who is who like in any early Ep. Phillip was trying to get Anne to come to his office and he I was sooo confused of who this was because he did not say her name and if he did I did not catch it but still I only later found out who it was when Anne was talking to Charles before then I was soo confused who was this early 20s women is following the royals around. Same thing with a bunch of other ppl like Antony Armstrong-Jones and David. Also another thing why did Winston's actor not change in season 3?? everyone else did? But anyways its a good show so far I just wished they made it more clear.

I am a first time watcher and half way through season 6.

I try to word this as carefully as I can - I find season 5 and 6 (so far) very different in style from seasons 1 to 4. What I loved about seasons 1 to 4 was how the show wove historic events and personal drama into each other and created a story out of it. The show was never about relationships alone but it was never about politics or history alone either. It was a perfect mix. I find the show to focus much more on the personal relationships in season 5 and season 6 (so far). But maybe I am missing the greater picture or the beautiful details. Therefore I'd really like you all to share your love about seasons 5 and 6.

I also have one additional question regarding Willismania. Is it known how much time William and Harry spent into each others company after Diana's death? They both went to Eton but their age difference might have prevented them from seeing each other while at school. We don't see them having lunch at school or hanging out. That would leave the weekends but I'd be interested if there are actual facts about how close Wills and Harry were during those years until they were both grown up.

Can anyone tell me what’s the name of the soundtrack when the Queen is giving her Christmas speech through the radio while the Duke of Edinburgh is on the ship? It’s really beautiful!

It is crazy how different season 4 is from season 5!

In season 4, the born-royals are completely unlikable (Elizabeth, Charles etc) while the "outsiders" are shown in a much sympathetic light (Thatcher, Diana)

I'm halfway through season 5, and damn if it ain't the opposite. The Queen is shown as conflicted, wanting the best for everyone- those in the monarchy, and those outside it. Even Charles is shown to be more sympathetic.

On the other hand, Diana is treated like a completely different person! She is reduced from being charismatic, likable, smart to just being sad all the time...

I'm not saying I prefer one to another (I never knew about the details of the monarchy and of the whole Charles-Diana-Camilla until this show, so season 5 is still fresh enough for me, still I hated the character assassination of Diana!)

But it is very interesting to either way, I wonder why! Were the writers hoping to balance out the show's view of the royal family in general?

“Aberfan” might be one of the most perfectly structured episodes of The Crown.

The children singing “All Things Bright and Beautiful” at the opening brings tears to my eyes before the episode even properly starts. It’s such a beautiful, innocent hymn, and placing it right before the tragedy of Aberfan makes the whole episode feel like a punch in the gut.

I also think Harold Wilson is one of the best PM portrayals in the series. His emotional intelligence and his dynamic with the Queen, especially around her inability to cry, is so revealing and tender.

It’s a terrifying realization that sometimes people expect emotion from you that you genuinely don’t know how to access. And when Philip comes back from the memorial service and talks about the voices in the church, he says that their singing was the grief. Crying through the hymns. Highlights the stark differences between a community who has comparatively so little, materially, to the BRF but are rich beyond measure in the depths of their love and collective grief.

One of the best episodes of the entire series, IMO. Those poor babies. That poor community.