r/TheJediPraxeum

If close combat and sticking to swordsmanship were putting him at a disadvantage, why didn't he at least try to change his strategy or take a better position?

Even if he had failed, his defeat would have been more believable.

I don't deny that Mace fairly defeated him in the lightsaber duel, but I wonder how much Sidious actually did to win.

In legends, it's literally kryptonite for dark side users. Just as a lightsaber deflects a blaster's punch, this style turns the Sith's ferocity and aggression against them, creating a loop that allows the Vaapad user to fight almost effortlessly.

In canon, however, it's simply a modified version of the extremely aggressive Form VII, Juyo. It taps into the user's inner darkness, which derives true pleasure and excitement from combat, teetering on the brink of falling to the dark side. It's a more effective counter to the Sith's saber-fighting style than their Achilles' heel.

Clearly, they're not the same.

Despite this, people keep pushing versions from legends into canon to make Windu even more OP, ignoring the additions that there it can actually be overwhelmed by too powerful dark side techniques.

Who wins.

I see everyone placing EU MFV above these two and I’m not really sure why. Let’s compare their statements

Anakin
“The most powerful Jedi in his generation. Perhaps any generation. The fastest. The strongest. An unbeatable pilot. An unstoppable warrior. On the ground, in the air or sea or space, there is no one even close. He has not just power, not just skill, but dash: that rare, invaluable combination of boldness and grace.
He is the best there is at what he does. The best there has ever been. And he knows it.”

“But Anakin was strong in the Force, stronger than any Jedi Yoda had known in all his hundreds of years.”

“Anakin Skywalker is the greatest hero of the Jedi Order. He is a bold commander in the Clone Wars, a peerless warrior with a lightsaber, and an amazing pilot.”

“He is very powerful in the Force, perhaps even more powerful than Yoda. However, he doesn't yet have Yoda's experience and, as a result, has a much harder time controlling all that power.”

Yoda
“As a result, his lightsaber skills were awesomely potent. Yoda had mastered the exceptional art of Form IV lightsaber combat, and was widely acknowledged as the greatest lightsaber duellist in the entire Jedi Order.”

“Yoda was the oldest and most powerful Jedi in the order.”

“Along with Mace Windu, a senior member of the Jedi Council, Yoda was the most respected and most powerful member of the Jedi Order.”

Yoda has several direct statements of being the most powerful jedi in the order, along with its best duelist. Anakin has a few claiming the same—which can be chalked up to in-universe speculation or just hubris—followed by a lot of maybes. Anakin’s introduction in the ROTS novel can refer to the fact that Anakin is just physically the most gifted Jedi in the order, which is true: Yoda can barely walk outside of battle and can still be considered slower without being weaker. The “unbeatable warrior” statement also applies to Yoda so I can say this is just a generalization.

It’s also worth noting that even at his absolute strongest on Mustafar Sidious states (and this is in legends too) that “Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us.” It’s pretty evident that Anakin/MFV is in no way objectively above these two.

Time to put this one to rest. Who is definitively the most powerful Anakin, KF Ani or End of Life Vader? Give me your most convincing arguments, this feud must be settled once and for all.

Never heard that they did something.