r/UFOSkepticalBelievers

Everyone in the UFO community has heard the rumor about a UFO so enormous that it was impossible to move. It has been recently popularized by Ross Coulthart.

Well, I have been doing some digging, and I think I have finally tracked down the origin of this story.

The earliest mention I have been able to find of a UFO described in these terms appears in a document published by John Lear back in 1987. You can check it out here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KKeqVOsQ0THQMZYy-u0UmyvgAsn8urD3/view?usp=drivesdk

The document says:

> "Germany may have recovered a flying saucer as early as 1939. General James H. Doolittle went to Sweden in 1946 to inspect a flying saucer that had crashed there in Spitzbergen. > > There were several more saucer crashes in the late 1940s: one in Roswell, New Mexico, one in Aztec, New Mexico, and one near Laredo, Texas, about 30 miles inside the Mexican border. > > Thousands of sightings occurred during the Korean war and several more saucers were retrieved by the Air Force. Some were stored at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, some were stored at Air Force bases near the location of the crash site. > > One saucer was so enormous and the logistic problems in transportation so enormous that it was buried at the crash site and remains there today."

This is the oldest reference I have been able to uncover regarding a UFO so massive that it had to be buried in place.

Where Lear got this information from is impossible to say. Personally, though, I wouldn't be surprised if he simply made the whole story up out of thin air.

Why do I say that? Because it wouldn't be the first time. After all, Lear himself openly admitted that he had circulated fake documents within the UFO community while presenting them as genuine:

> «In May 1989, Lear and Cooper were invited to appear on a tabloid television program, PM Magazine. The TV crew arrived at Lear's home to interview both Lear and Cooper. Later, Lear overheard Cooper telling the interviewer that, while he was on the Naval briefing team in Hawaii, he saw the "O.H. Krill" documents in secret files—documents that I had received from John Lear in his original package of material in early 1988. > > I knew these documents were written by one John Grace, a then-active-duty U.S. Air Force NCO with an interest in UFOs. The name "Krill" was an inside joke taken from a late 1950s case where the U.S. Navy interviewed a woman claiming to channel an alien named "Cyrll." Lear and Grace made up the initials "O.H." out of thin air. Grace didn’t want his name associated with the papers because he was still in the Air Force and wished to avoid adverse publicity. The actual O.H. Krill papers were barely over a year old at the time of the television program, making it impossible for Cooper to have seen them in 1972 or 1973. > > Lear recalled, "When I heard Bill tell the interviewer he saw the Krill papers while he was in the Navy, I motioned him over and asked, ‘What in the hell are you doing?’ He said, ‘What do you mean?’ I told him, ‘Bill, John Grace and I made up the Krill papers. We named them after a 1950s case, and we pulled the O.H. out of thin air.’ But Cooper insisted he had seen them in the Navy. That’s when I really began to wonder about Cooper."»

Source: http://www.ufowatchdog.com/20+YEARS+IN+THE+UFO+FOG.pdf

So, at best, this is a story that Coulthart picked up from John Lear, who in turn heard it from someone we can't identify and never will. At worst, it's a story that Coulthart picked up from John Lear, who simply made the whole thing up. Either way, it doesn't reflect particularly well on Coulthart.

I've followed the UAP topic almost religiously since the Bob Lazar Joe Rogan episode.

Like many of you, I've consumed an absurd amount of information over the years: witness testimony, military encounters, radar data, leaked footage, government reports, whistleblowers, documentaries, podcasts, books, and countless online discussions.

At some point, there's so much information that it's actually difficult to form a clear conclusion. Every case seems to point in a different direction. Some look compelling, others fall apart under scrutiny. It's easy to get lost in the sheer volume of claims.

Over the years, I've tried to distill everything down to what I think is the most likely explanation. It's a bit disappointing compared to the popular narratives, but I think it fits the evidence best.

My conclusion is that UAPs are real, in the sense that there are genuinely unexplained objects or phenomena being detected and tracked. Since the late stages of World War II and especially throughout the Cold War, improvements in radar, sensors, satellites, and aviation technology have allowed militaries to observe things they cannot fully identify.

The key point is this: if the United States has been seeing these things and cannot explain all of them, then Russia, China, and every other technologically advanced nation has likely been dealing with the same problem.

What we have strong evidence for are sightings, pilot reports, radar tracks, infrared footage, sensor data, and government investigations. What we do not have strong evidence for are recovered alien spacecraft or successful reverse-engineering programs.

For decades, despite countless leaks and investigations, the evidence consistently points to observations of unexplained phenomena rather than confirmed extraterrestrial hardware.

The recovery and reverse-engineering narrative only really entered the mainstream through recent whistleblower claims, most notably David Grusch. That's also where I think the possibility of deliberate disinformation begins.

If governments know that some UAPs represent technology or phenomena beyond current human understanding, then every major power would desperately want to understand them first. The ultimate strategic advantage would be convincing your rivals that you've already cracked the code.

In that scenario, the bluff is incredibly valuable.

Imagine you're China and the United States is allowing stories to circulate that it possesses recovered craft and has reverse-engineered exotic technology. Even if those claims are false, China has to take them seriously. The same logic applies in reverse.

So my final verdict is this:

The phenomenon is probably real.

The mystery is probably real.

The sightings are real.

The data is real.

But the crashed saucers, recovered bodies, and secret reverse-engineering programs may be the very place where the disinformation starts. Part of this could also be the remote viewing and other psionic things that mostly came up more over the past years.

Not to hide aliens from the public—but to gain an advantage over rival nations competing to understand whatever these objects actually are.

Of course, I could be completely wrong. But after years of following this topic, this is the explanation that requires the fewest assumptions while still fitting most of the available evidence. I really wish there is recovered craft and bioligics though. I let chatgpt help my with the text, bear with me.