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A Solid UFO Reading Guide

I've been asked quite a few times what I think the best UFO books are. I've also seen a lot of people across different UFO subreddits asking what books they should read or what books people would recommend. Since it's a question that comes up pretty often, I decided to compile a list of what I personally consider the best books and papers on the subject.

  • Report on the UFO Wave of 1947 by Ted Bloecher
  • The Flying Saucers Are Real by Donald Keyhoe
  • Flying Saucers From Outer Space by Donald Keyhoe
  • The Flying Saucer Conspiracy by Donald Keyhoe
  • Flying Saucers — Top Secret by Donald Keyhoe
  • Aliens From Space: The Real Story of Unidentified Flying Objects by Donald Keyhoe
  • The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects by Edward Ruppelt
  • The UFO Evidence by Richard Hall
  • Mysteries of the Skies: UFOs in Perspective by Gordon Lore and Harold Deneault
  • The UFO Handbook: A Guide to Investigating, Evaluating, and Reporting UFO Sightings by Allan Hendry
  • Encounters with UFO Occupants by Coral Lorenzen and James Lorenzen
  • Project Sign and the Estimate of the Situation by Michael Swords
  • The UFO Experience: A Scientific Inquiry by J. Allen Hynek
  • The Hynek UFO Report: The Authoritative Account of the Project Blue Book Cover-Up by J. Allen Hynek
  • Project Blue Book Exposed by Kevin Randle
  • The Best of Project Blue Book by Kevin Randle
  • Triangular UFOs: An Estimate of the Situation by David Marler
  • UFOs and Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites by Robert Hastings
  • UFOs over Lakenheath in 1956 by James McDonald
  • The 1957 Gulf Coast B-47 Incident by James McDonald
  • Meteorological Factors in Unidentified Radar Returns by James McDonald
  • UFOs: Greatest Scientific Problem of Our Times? by James McDonald
  • Science, Technology and UFOs by James McDonald
  • UFOs — An International Scientific Problem by James McDonald
  • Statement on Unidentified Flying Objects by James McDonald
  • UFOs and the Condon Report by James McDonald
  • Science in Default: Twenty-Two Years of Inadequate UFO Investigations by James McDonald
  • The UFO Enigma: A New Review of the Physical Evidence by Peter Sturrock
  • Unconventional Flying Objects: A Scientific Analysis by Paul Hill
  • Science and the Extraterrestrial Hypothesis in Ufology by Michael Swords
  • Earth Lights: Towards an Understanding of the Unidentified Flying Objects Enigma by Paul Devereux
  • Electric UFOs: Fireballs, Electromagnetics and Abnormal States by Albert Budden
  • The Roswell Incident by William Moore and Charles Berlitz
  • Crash at Corona: The Definitive Study of the Roswell Incident by Stanton Friedman and Don Berliner
  • UFO Crash at Roswell by Kevin Randle and Donald Schmitt
  • The Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell by Kevin Randle and Donald Schmitt
  • Roswell UFO Crash Update: Exposing the Military Cover-Up of the Century by Kevin Randle
  • Roswell in the 21st Century: The Evidence as It Exists Today by Kevin Randle
  • Roswell: Inconvenient Facts and the Will to Believe by Karl Pflock
  • Roswell 4F: Fabrications, Fumbled Facts and Fables by Tim Printy
  • UFO Crash-Retrievals: The Complete Investigation - Status Reports I-VII by Leonard Stringfield
  • Crash — When UFOs Fall From the Sky by Kevin Randle
  • Top Secret/Majic: Operation Majestic-12 and the United States Government's UFO Cover-Up by Stanton Friedman and Don Berliner
  • Case MJ-12: The True Story Behind the Government's UFO Conspiracies by Kevin Randle
  • The Secret Pratt Tapes and the Origins of MJ-12 by Brad Sparks and Barry Greenwood
  • Majestic-12 Follies Returns by Barry Greenwood
  • The Interrupted Journey: Two Lost Hours Aboard a UFO: The Abduction of Betty and Barney Hill by John Fuller
  • The Zeta Reticuli Incident by Terence Dickinson
  • Encounters at Indian Head: The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Abduction Revisited by Karl Pflock and Peter Brookesmith
  • Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience by Stanton Friedman and Kathleen Marden
  • Beyond Reasonable Doubt: The Pascagoula Alien Abduction by Philip Mantle
  • Fire in the Sky: The Walton Experience by Travis Walton
  • The Zanfretta Case: Chronicle of an Incredible True Story by Rino Di Stefano
  • The Priests of High Strangeness: Co-Creation of the "Alien Abduction Phenomenon" by Carol Rainey
  • The Abduction Enigma: An Investigation of the Alien Abduction Phenomenon by Kevin Randle, Russ Estes and William Cone
  • The Greys Have Been Framed: Exploitation in the UFO Community by Jack Brewer
  • The Controllers: A New Hypothesis of Alien Abductions by Martin Cannon
  • Project Beta: The Story of Paul Bennewitz, National Security, and the Creation of a Modern UFO Myth by Greg Bishop
  • X Descending: Two Extraordinary Films Reveal Lies, Deception, and Truth About Unidentified Flying Objects by Christian Lambright
  • Crashed Saucers and Malevolent Aliens: The Emergence of the Popular Modern UFO Mythos in the Late 20th Century by Charles Lear
  • Mute Evidence: The Cattle Mutilation Mystery Solved! by Daniel Kagan and Ian Summers
  • Dulce Base: The Truth and Evidence From the Case Files of Gabe Valdez by Greg Valdez
  • Chariots of the Gods by Erich von Däniken
  • The Twelfth Planet by Zecharia Sitchin
  • The Space-Gods Revealed: A Close Look At The Theories Of Erich Von Däniken by Ronald Story
  • The Past Is Human: Debunking Von Däniken's Gee-whiz Theories by Peter White
  • The Myth of a Sumerian 12th Planet: “Nibiru” According to the Cuneiform Sources by Michael Heiser
  • The Meaning of The Word Nephilim - Fact vs. Fantasy by Michael Heiser
  • The Anunnaki Gods According to the Ancient Mesopotamian Sources: English Translations of Important Scholarly Works with Brief Commentary by Michael Heiser and Dorothea Clapper
  • The Cult of Alien Gods: H. P. Lovecraft and Extraterrestrial Pop Culture by Jason Colavito
  • The Legends of the Pyramids: Myths and Misconceptions About Ancient Egypt by Jason Colavito
  • Ancient Atom Bombs: Fact, Fraud and the Myth of Prehistoric Nuclear Warfare by Jason Colavito
  • Solving the 1897 Airship Mystery by Michael Busby
  • The Great Airship of 1897: A Provocative Look at the Most Mysterious Aviation Event in History by J. Allan Danelek

Some of these books and papers contradict each other, because several were written specifically to challenge or debunk the claims made in other works. I don't agree with every conclusion reached by every author, but I think they're all worth reading if you want a broad, well-rounded and rational understanding of the UFO phenomenon and its history.

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u/Melodic-Attorney9918 — 16 hours ago
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(Serious) I think I've tracked down where Ross Coulthart got his story about the UFO too big to move, and it goes all the way back to 1987

Everyone in the UFO community has heard the rumor about a UFO so enormous that it was impossible to move. It has been recently popularized by Ross Coulthart.

Well, I have been doing some digging, and I think I have finally tracked down the origin of this story.

The earliest mention I have been able to find of a UFO described in these terms appears in a document published by John Lear back in 1987. You can check it out here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KKeqVOsQ0THQMZYy-u0UmyvgAsn8urD3/view?usp=drivesdk

The document says:

> "Germany may have recovered a flying saucer as early as 1939. General James H. Doolittle went to Sweden in 1946 to inspect a flying saucer that had crashed there in Spitzbergen. > > There were several more saucer crashes in the late 1940s: one in Roswell, New Mexico, one in Aztec, New Mexico, and one near Laredo, Texas, about 30 miles inside the Mexican border. > > Thousands of sightings occurred during the Korean war and several more saucers were retrieved by the Air Force. Some were stored at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, some were stored at Air Force bases near the location of the crash site. > > One saucer was so enormous and the logistic problems in transportation so enormous that it was buried at the crash site and remains there today."

This is the oldest reference I have been able to uncover regarding a UFO so massive that it had to be buried in place.

Where Lear got this information from is impossible to say. Personally, though, I wouldn't be surprised if he simply made the whole story up out of thin air.

Why do I say that? Because it wouldn't be the first time. After all, Lear himself openly admitted that he had circulated fake documents within the UFO community while presenting them as genuine:

> «In May 1989, Lear and Cooper were invited to appear on a tabloid television program, PM Magazine. The TV crew arrived at Lear's home to interview both Lear and Cooper. Later, Lear overheard Cooper telling the interviewer that, while he was on the Naval briefing team in Hawaii, he saw the "O.H. Krill" documents in secret files—documents that I had received from John Lear in his original package of material in early 1988. > > I knew these documents were written by one John Grace, a then-active-duty U.S. Air Force NCO with an interest in UFOs. The name "Krill" was an inside joke taken from a late 1950s case where the U.S. Navy interviewed a woman claiming to channel an alien named "Cyrll." Lear and Grace made up the initials "O.H." out of thin air. Grace didn’t want his name associated with the papers because he was still in the Air Force and wished to avoid adverse publicity. The actual O.H. Krill papers were barely over a year old at the time of the television program, making it impossible for Cooper to have seen them in 1972 or 1973. > > Lear recalled, "When I heard Bill tell the interviewer he saw the Krill papers while he was in the Navy, I motioned him over and asked, ‘What in the hell are you doing?’ He said, ‘What do you mean?’ I told him, ‘Bill, John Grace and I made up the Krill papers. We named them after a 1950s case, and we pulled the O.H. out of thin air.’ But Cooper insisted he had seen them in the Navy. That’s when I really began to wonder about Cooper."»

Source: http://www.ufowatchdog.com/20+YEARS+IN+THE+UFO+FOG.pdf

So, at best, this is a story that Coulthart picked up from John Lear, who in turn heard it from someone we can't identify and never will. At worst, it's a story that Coulthart picked up from John Lear, who simply made the whole thing up. Either way, it doesn't reflect particularly well on Coulthart.

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u/Melodic-Attorney9918 — 2 days ago

Useful Links on UFO Hoaxes, Crash-Retrieval Stories and Whistleblowers

LINKS ON THE ROSWELL CRASHED SAUCER HOAX

LINKS ON THE AZTEC CRASHED SAUCER HOAX

LINKS ON THE KINGMAN CRASHED SAUCER HOAX

LINKS ON THE TRINITY CRASHED SAUCER HOAX

LINKS ON THE MAGENTA CRASHED SAUCER HOAX

LINKS ON THE BENNEWITZ AFFAIR

LINKS ON THE MJ-12 HOAX

The last article is something I wrote back when I still thought Roswell was an actual flying saucer crash. So what I wrote in the paragraph dedicated to the conclusions reflects what I believed at the time. The rest of the article still holds up, but that part should be taken with a grain of salt.

LINKS ON THE PROJECT SERPO HOAX

LINKS ON FAMOUS UFO "WHISTLEBLOWERS"

LINKS ON THE NAZI UFO MYTH

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u/Melodic-Attorney9918 — 7 days ago

The intellectual bar for criticizing religion is way too low nowadays

Recently, I've started noticing a pattern that seems to be becoming increasingly common among younger people who move away from religion and embrace atheism.

Many young atheists don't arrive at atheism through a serious examination of philosophy and metaphysics. Instead, they simply pick up the Bible or the Quran, read them, notice that many of their stories appear to conflict with modern scientific knowledge if interpreted literally, assume that most Christians, Jews and Muslims interpret those stories literally, and then conclude that Christianity, Judaism and Islam are absurd.

As an atheist myself (as well as someone who's trying to achieve a degree in philosophy), this attitude genuinely bothers me. Not because I think people should be religious, but because I think criticism of religion should be based on a real understanding of what is being criticized rather than on simplistic assumptions and caricatures.

The history of Christianity, Judaism and Islam is full of allegorical, symbolic and non-literal interpretations of scripture. For centuries, theologians and philosophers from all three traditions have debated questions about morality, free will, consciousness, metaphysics, the nature of reality and the relationship between faith and reason. If you're going to criticize these religions seriously, that's the level on which the discussion should take place.

If you want to criticize religion, then criticize the arguments of Thomas Aquinas, Al-Kindi, Maimonides or Anselm of Canterbury. Challenge their logic, their metaphysics and their conclusions. That's where the real intellectual debate is. Arguing about whether Noah's Ark could physically fit every animal species on Earth is stupid. Serious religious thinkers moved beyond that level of discussion over a thousand years ago.

Honestly, I believe that part of the reason for this attitude is that many young atheists want to feel intellectually superior to believers. The logic is: "I don't believe these stories, therefore I'm smarter than the people who do."

But that's a childish way of looking at the issue. You can think religion is false, you can think believers are mistaken, but you can't treat religious people like idiots. Theologians and religious philosophers have spent centuries debating some of the most difficult questions imaginable. Even many committed materialists have recognized that.

And before anyone says this is an exclusively American phenomenon, I assure you it isn't. As an Italian, I can tell you that I observe the exact same thing among young people here. This superficial approach to criticizing religion is becoming increasingly common in Italy as well.

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u/Melodic-Attorney9918 — 20 days ago
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After 8 years following UAPs obsessively, I think I've finally settled on what is actually going on

I've followed the UAP topic almost religiously since the Bob Lazar Joe Rogan episode.

Like many of you, I've consumed an absurd amount of information over the years: witness testimony, military encounters, radar data, leaked footage, government reports, whistleblowers, documentaries, podcasts, books, and countless online discussions.

At some point, there's so much information that it's actually difficult to form a clear conclusion. Every case seems to point in a different direction. Some look compelling, others fall apart under scrutiny. It's easy to get lost in the sheer volume of claims.

Over the years, I've tried to distill everything down to what I think is the most likely explanation. It's a bit disappointing compared to the popular narratives, but I think it fits the evidence best.

My conclusion is that UAPs are real, in the sense that there are genuinely unexplained objects or phenomena being detected and tracked. Since the late stages of World War II and especially throughout the Cold War, improvements in radar, sensors, satellites, and aviation technology have allowed militaries to observe things they cannot fully identify.

The key point is this: if the United States has been seeing these things and cannot explain all of them, then Russia, China, and every other technologically advanced nation has likely been dealing with the same problem.

What we have strong evidence for are sightings, pilot reports, radar tracks, infrared footage, sensor data, and government investigations. What we do not have strong evidence for are recovered alien spacecraft or successful reverse-engineering programs.

For decades, despite countless leaks and investigations, the evidence consistently points to observations of unexplained phenomena rather than confirmed extraterrestrial hardware.

The recovery and reverse-engineering narrative only really entered the mainstream through recent whistleblower claims, most notably David Grusch. That's also where I think the possibility of deliberate disinformation begins.

If governments know that some UAPs represent technology or phenomena beyond current human understanding, then every major power would desperately want to understand them first. The ultimate strategic advantage would be convincing your rivals that you've already cracked the code.

In that scenario, the bluff is incredibly valuable.

Imagine you're China and the United States is allowing stories to circulate that it possesses recovered craft and has reverse-engineered exotic technology. Even if those claims are false, China has to take them seriously. The same logic applies in reverse.

So my final verdict is this:

The phenomenon is probably real.

The mystery is probably real.

The sightings are real.

The data is real.

But the crashed saucers, recovered bodies, and secret reverse-engineering programs may be the very place where the disinformation starts. Part of this could also be the remote viewing and other psionic things that mostly came up more over the past years.

Not to hide aliens from the public—but to gain an advantage over rival nations competing to understand whatever these objects actually are.

Of course, I could be completely wrong. But after years of following this topic, this is the explanation that requires the fewest assumptions while still fitting most of the available evidence. I really wish there is recovered craft and bioligics though. I let chatgpt help my with the text, bear with me.

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u/Bucketh3ad92 — 11 days ago
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The ESRI "world map" of UFO sightings most likely had an artificial popularity boost. It's extremely easy to debunk it two different ways. This map is entirely illegitimate, yet it still somehow spreads to millions of people today.

The ESRI world map: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAopNJMbFEI

In the description it says:

>Data source: http://www.nuforc.org

This means that they created a world map using only data from one country, rather than gathering data from a dozen or more countries at minimum, which is what you're supposed to do with a world map. I will provide data from other countries below. It should be no surprise that the country they obtained the data from is heavily biased on that map, yet this propagandistic absurdity still enjoys enormous publicity today.

Now see Worldwide distribution of the English language, which also matches the UFO map very closely.

A lot of people apparently forgot to check where the data came from with this map. It was promoted by Mick West and Michael Shermer for some examples of people who should have known better, but millions upon millions of people were fooled by this over the past decade, and this disinformation is still doing damage, even here today. Here it is with 102,000 likes and about 2 million views on instagram. Here is one with 1,000 retweets on Twitter. I've seen tweets of this with 4 million views, and on and on...

I will repeat: it was a world map that only used data on UFOs from a single US-based organization... When you check other countries, it should not surprise you to find out that the distribution of UFOs appears to be distributed fairly evenly, both with total reports and leftover unknowns, exactly as you would expect. Instead, if we took only the data from France and mapped it, for example, the map will be very heavily biased towards France.

Before I provide data from outside of the US, the only other important thing that I need to point out is that it matters whether the organization collecting the cases is civilian or government. If you compare government organizations that study UFOs, they are highly similar country to country. Similarly, civilian organizations come up with similar numbers as well, except they might collect 10 times the amount of reports or more. You can compare total population in the country, total UFO cases, and the total cases that are left unknown after thorough investigation. It's best to compare it like apples to apples, but it doesn't matter because you can easily discredit the ESRI map either way. Nuforc is a civilian organization, but I will provide sources here on each for anyone interested in comparing them.


Data from US and other countries:

United States (population 330 million, 13,128 UFO cases, 5 percent unexplained after investigation):

>By the time Project Blue Book ended in 1970, it had collected 12,618 UFO reports... 701 reports were classified as unexplained, even after stringent analysis. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book

Modern stuff: https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Unclassified-2022-Annual-Report-UAP.pdf

>"Where the full 13,134 [Bluebook] cases are critically appraised, the percentages of unknowns falls to some 5 percent." -The Hynek UFO Report, page 18

France (population 65 million, 1,600 UFO cases, 3.1 percent leftover unexplained):

>The team is called Geipan. That's a French acronym for Study Group and Information on Non-Identified Aerospace Phenomenon. Its boss is Xavier Passot. Surrounded by dozens of books on UFOs, and stacks of documents, he tells me his mission is to be as transparent as possible about strange sightings and to follow up on each one that his team receives. They publish their results on their website which gets 30,000 hits a month. The team receives, on average, two UFO sightings a day. The department insists an 11-page form is filled out for each one. The idea is to provide details including photographs where possible but also weed out jokers and time-wasters. ... But there are around 400 UFO sightings going back to the 1970s that the French team cannot explain. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29755919

>Of the 1600 cases registered since 1954, nearly 25% are classified as “type D”, meaning that “despite good or very good data and credible witnesses, we are confronted with something we can’t explain”, Patenet says. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11443-france-opens-up-its-ufo-files/

Note: it depends on who is counting, how vigorously they investigate, what their methodology is, etc. A number closer to reality in France is probably 3 percent leftover unknowns after investigation, similar to US estimates. Here is one that says 3.1 percent: "99 cases in Class D, (Unidentified Phenomenon after investigation, 3.1%" Link

Uruguay (population 3,500,000, 2,100 cases, 40 Unknowns or 2 percent):

>The Uruguayan Air Force has had an ongoing UFO investigation since 1989 and analyzed 2,100 cases, of which they only consider about 40 (2 percent) to be definitely lacking any conventional explanation. https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Ultimate_Collection_on_UFOs/eQj1AwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=uruguayan+air+force+ufo&pg=PA160&printsec=frontcover

Canada (population 39 million, 20,000 UFO cases, 3.42 percent unknowns in 2025):

>The talk and presentation mark Rutkowski’s donation to University of Manitoba Archives & Special Collections of his extensive personal collection and files on this case and other UFO sightings and related phenomena from across Canada. These include more than 20,000 separate UFO reports filed with various agencies since 1989 https://news.umanitoba.ca/the-falcon-lake-ufo-files/

>The 2025 numbers show 1,052 UFO reports were shared in Canada, involving “participating private organizations, and through social media.” Those 1,052 sightings are in contrast to the 1,008 in 2024, 570 in 2023, 768 in 2022, 722 in 2021, and 1,243 in 2020, which was up from 849 in 2019. Out of all those 2025 reports, 3.42 per cent were classified as “unexplained.” https://globalnews.ca/news/11723579/ufo-sightings-in-canada-2025/

Sweden, Norway, Finland in the 1930s only (5-10 percent unexplained, 487 cases, 42 unknowns)

Ghost Fliers, winter of 1933/34-

>In another twist, the Swedish military, through its Chief of Staff, published its final report on the Ghost Flier in early July 1935, more than a year after the wave had ceased. After concluding that 42 of the 487 reports investigated by the three countries were of actual aircraft violating the borders, the General Staff now admitted that the Ghost Flier was real. "It must be concluded that aircraft whose nationality has not been established have flown over Northern Scandanavia during the winter of 1933-1934," the report said.

-UFOs and Government- a Historical Inquiry, chapter 16

The 1950s, Sweden- (population in 1950s: 7 million, 6,000 reports. Out of 400 cases investigated, 40 remained unknown, or 10 percent)

>During the 1950s, the Swedish Defence staff not only collected but also investigated hundreds of alleged sightings of unidentified flying objects from all over Sweden. Extensive archives, now at the Defence Research Institute, show a dedicated staff making a great effort to solve the many reports.

>"We did get reports from several sources--the general public, the local military organizations, in different parts of Sweden, and from the central air control," says Peter Sundh, who from October 1951 until October 1954 was head of a unit at the Defence Staff responsible for investigating reports about UFOs. During this time, his department handled 6,000 reports, of which 400 were investigated and around 40 remained unexplained.

>"We always tried to verify the reports, make a thorough interrogation and never had a superior attitude towards the witnesses. Even when we took the reports higher up in the hierarchy, no one laughed at the concept of aliens or flying saucers. There were always these five to ten percent that we never could explain."

-UFOs and Government- a Historical Inquiry, chapter 16, by Michael Swords, Robert Powell, and others. (link to Google books)

Additional information: http://www.cagliostro.se/2011/05/02/the-ghost-fliers-2775134

Spain (population 47 million, 7,000 cases, 7 percent unknowns):

>UFO sightings in Spain are in excess of 7,000, but less than 2 percent of these have been reported to the Spanish Air Force (people may not have known they could, or how to report such things to the Air Force). Out of 122 cases analyzed by an international team directed by Ballester Olmos, 99 had conventional causes, 14 insufficient data for evaluation, 9 unexplained. - UFOs and Government, Michael Swords and Robert Powell, page 430.

Denmark (population 6 million, 15,000 sightings, 200 Unknowns or 1.33 percent)

>COPENHAGEN, Denmark, Jan. 30 (UPI) -- The Danish Air Force has released 329 pages of previously classified archives on UFO sightings, including details on more than 200 unsolved cases. https://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/01/30/Denmark-releases-UFO-archives/90411233360944/

>The Danish Air Force has opened its UFO files, which were treated as state secret up until today. The archive features information on over 15,000 reported extraterrestrial sightings. https://denmark.net/denmarks-secret-ufo-files/

>Danish UFO Files https://archive.org/details/DanishUFOFiles/page/n21/mode/2up

Civilian UFO case collection:

Germany (population 85 million, 140,000 sightings, of which 5 percent are unexplained, 500 cases with no possible explanation):

>"Germany has a high level of UFO sightings," Robert Fleischer, the coordinator for the German Initiative for Exopolitics, told Deutsche Welle.

>He said that, since 1974, over 500 so-called "real" UFO cases - reported sightings that, after careful consideration by specialized experts, cannot be related to any conventional information - have been recorded.

>"However, there has never been any official recognition by the German government relating to UFOs or UFO activity," Fleischer added. "So if the Germans were to open any files relating to UFOs, all we would find out is that they pass all their information to the Americans." https://www.dw.com/en/despite-partial-disclosure-europes-ufo-files-remain-mostly-under-wraps/a-4783950

>In Germany, there seems to be an endless list of hobby clubs and nonprofit associations. The Association for UFO Research (GEP) is one of them. Their databank includes 140,000 entries, and 95% of them can be explained. https://www.dw.com/en/ufos-and-aliens-in-germany/a-58077707

u/MKULTRA_Escapee — 11 days ago
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The CIA's January 1953 Robertson Panel put the word "debunking" in quotation marks in its formal recommendations. Five physicists in four days designed the public posture the government has used on UFOs ever since.

I spent eight years in the Navy as an Operations Specialist, four of them running the Fleet Air Defense Identification Zone in the Eastern Pacific. The job was contact resolution. I've been working through the declassified UAP record the way I'd work a watch, by reading what the documents actually say.

On July 2, 1952, Navy Chief Warrant Officer Delbert C. Newhouse, a career Navy photographer, filmed about a minute of bright objects moving in formation over the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah. His wife and two young children were in the car. The film went to the Navy's Photographic Interpretation Laboratory at Anacostia, which spent more than one thousand man-hours on frame-by-frame analysis. The written conclusion: not aircraft, not balloons, not birds. Unidentified.

Six months later, five physicists watched the same film for part of one morning in a Pentagon conference room and called it seagulls. That is the Robertson Panel.

The CIA convened it, not the Air Force. On September 24, 1952, H. Marshall Chadwell, Assistant Director of the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence, signed a Secret memorandum to Director of Central Intelligence Walter Bedell Smith. Chadwell wrote that sightings over major U.S. defense installations were "not attributable to natural phenomena or known types of aerial vehicles." The CIA's own Assistant Director for Scientific Intelligence put on paper, to the Director, that the objects were real and clustered over American defense installations.

What Chadwell wanted Smith to act on was not the objects. It was the public. He feared a Soviet first strike masked behind a flood of UFO reports clogging the air defense channels. He wanted Smith to authorize a program to reduce the reports.

The Intelligence Advisory Committee approved on December 4, 1952. The panel met for four days starting January 14, 1953. Howard Percy Robertson, a Caltech physicist who had served as Chief of Scientific Intelligence at SHAEF in 1944 and 1945, presided. Around him sat Samuel Goudsmit, Luis Alvarez, Lloyd Berkner, and Thornton Page. Every man held active clearances and had spent the war inside compartmented programs. The CIA pulled the senior bench of America's classified scientific establishment.

Frederick Durant of CIA scientific intelligence wrote the summary. The operative language is in Tab A. The headline conclusion has been quoted everywhere for seventy-three years: the evidence shows "no indication that these phenomena constitute a direct physical threat to national security." Read what that does not say. It does not say the phenomena are not real. It says they are not a direct threat.

The next paragraph is the one that got buried. The panel recommended that "the national security agencies take immediate steps to strip the Unidentified Flying Objects of the special status they have been given and the aura of mystery they have unfortunately acquired." The educational program they recommended would have "two major aims: training and 'debunking.'" The quotation marks around debunking are not mine. The panel put them there, in a formal CIA-approved recommendation, in 1953.

The plan ran through mass media. The report named Walt Disney Inc. as a candidate producer of educational films, a suggestion made at the table by J. Allen Hynek himself. It also recommended that two American civilian research groups, the Civilian Flying Saucer Investigators in Los Angeles and the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization in Wisconsin, be watched for their potential influence on public opinion and "possible use for subversive purposes."

The Robertson Panel did not touch the classified record. Chadwell's defense-installation memo stayed in the CIA's file. The Newhouse film stayed on the Navy's books at unidentified. The panel was hired to design the public face. The investigation kept running underneath.

In December 1969, the Air Force closed Project Blue Book and announced the government was finished with UFOs. The FBI's file on the same subject, 62-HQ-83894, had been open since 1947 and stayed open. In September 2023, an FBI agent at a restricted military range filed a UAP report on Form FD-302 carrying word-for-word the same custody-control language Special Agent D. Arthur Byrnes Jr. had filed under at Socorro in May 1964. Same channel, fifty-nine years later.

The Atomic Energy Act of 1946 built the federal mechanism for permanent secrecy. Certain technical facts get classified automatically, beyond the reach of courts and Congress without specific authorization. The Robertson Panel showed that by 1953, the same mechanism was already being applied to UFOs.

AARO was created by Congress in the 2022 defense authorization and released its first public UAP case file in May 2026, the first government UAP report in seventy-three years without the debunking frame the Robertson Panel designed. Congress did not give AARO the authority to declassify what sits underneath. The Schumer-Rounds UAP Disclosure Amendment would have. It cleared the Senate and was gutted in conference in 2023.

Tab A is still operative. The Durant Report is on the public record. The open question is what has been filed under it for seventy-three years, and who has been cleared to read it.

Full breakdown with the document images here: https://vincentactual.substack.com/p/the-government-has-been-lying-about

u/Melodic-Attorney9918 — 1 month ago

(Legends) What happens to Naboo after Return of the Jedi?

Hey everyone,

I’ve never really gone deep into the post-ROTJ EU. I've never read the novels and comics set during the New Republic era or during the New Jedi Order era. However, I do know the general outline of events and the broader continuity from summaries and discussions online, so I'm not completely clueless.

One thing I’ve always been curious about, though, is Naboo. I’ve always really liked Naboo as a planet, especially in the Prequel era. There’s something about its culture, architecture and overall atmosphere that really stood out to me. So I was wondering: does Naboo play any significant role after Return of the Jedi?

Thanks in advance for any response I'll get.

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u/Melodic-Attorney9918 — 1 month ago

The Clone Wars is a kid's show, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that

Honestly, I've never understood why some fans get so offended when someone says that The Clone Wars is a kid's show. To me, "kid's show" isn't an insult, and there is absolutely no reason to treat it like one.

A show being aimed primarily at kids doesn't automatically make it bad or unworthy of adult viewers. Plenty of kid's shows are genuinely excellent and have large adult fanbases. For example, I enjoy rewatching older episodes of SpongeBob and The Fairly OddParents from time to time. They're kid's shows, and they're great. The idea that something loses value simply because it was made for kids doesn't make any sense, so getting defensive about the label is entirely pointless.

Also, I've never understood why so many people try to go out of their way to prove that The Clone Wars isn't a kid's show. I mean, seriously. Whenever someone points out that it's a kid's show, there's always someone who jumps in with, "Yeah, but people get impaled with lightsabers," or "Yeah, but characters fall to their deaths," or "Yeah, but there are episodes about political intrigue and other mature themes." Okay... and? None of that actually proves anything. Children's media has included death, tragedy, war and surprisingly mature themes for decades. The fact that a show occasionally deals with heavier subjects doesn't suddenly make it an adult show.

At the end of the day, The Clone Wars aired on children's television networks, was marketed primarily toward younger audiences and was designed to be accessible to kids. That's simply what it was. Yes, there are story arcs that are darker than others. Yes, characters die. Yes, some episodes tackle more serious themes than you might expect from a typical cartoon. But those elements don't change the fact that the show's primary target audience was children and teenagers. It was a kid's show that adults could enjoy, not an adult show that happened to attract children.

Fearing the "kid's show" label only robs people of appreciating how incredible children's media can actually be. I think fans should just embrace the reality that a show doesn't need an adult rating to be good.

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u/Melodic-Attorney9918 — 1 month ago
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I don't think the UFO cover-up is about "ontological shock"

People on UFO and alien subreddits constantly ask the same question: if the U.S. government really recovered crashed UFOs and alien bodies, why would they cover it up? Personally, I think the answer is probably much simpler than a lot of people make it out to be.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that some UFO crashes actually happened, that the U.S. military recovered exotic technology and that they've been trying to reverse engineer it. If that's true, then there’s a very simple and pragmatic reason to keep everything secret: national security and military advantage. Alien technology could potentially lead to the creation of extremely advanced weapons and military systems, and that alone would make it one of the most strategically important things on Earth. No government would openly reveal information like that to the world.

From a purely strategic perspective, it would make perfect sense for the United States to hide the information. The last thing the U.S. military would want is for Russia or China to gain access to the technology. And if Russia or China recovered similar technology, they would almost certainly behave in exactly the same way. They would classify everything, restrict access and deny the existence of the program publicly. Any major world power would do this, because the potential military implications would simply be too important. As Stanton Friedman used to say, you can't reveal this information to your friends without also revealing it to your enemies.

I don't think you need to invoke "ontological shock," consciousness, spiritual awakening or the idea that society would collapse if people learned the truth. Governments don't need philosophical reasons to keep something secret when straightforward strategic reasons already exist. Geopolitical competition is more than enough to explain why a cover-up would happen.

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u/Melodic-Attorney9918 — 2 months ago

Vi ricordate anche voi di questa cosa?

Ricordo distintamente che, in un paio reaction al Reddit paperoso, Andrea aveva trovato alcuni video dei Nirkiop rcaricati sul subreddit e si era messo a guardarli, facendosi un sacco di risate. Ricordo molto bene di aver visto quelle reaction ricaricate su YouTube tempo fa, ma adesso non riesco più a trovarle. Qualcuno per caso si ricorda quali fossero o sa dove recuperarle? Sono convinto che siano ancora lì sul suo canale YouTube, da qualche parte...

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u/Melodic-Attorney9918 — 2 months ago

Hello everyone,

I’m dealing with a really frustrating issue with Instagram and I can’t figure out what’s causing it.

On my Lenovo tablet, the app basically doesn’t work anymore. The home feed doesn’t load at all, stories don’t load, and the app just stays stuck like it’s trying to load content but never actually does. There’s no error message, it just keeps loading indefinitely.

Yesterday I tried uninstalling and reinstalling the app. After reinstalling, it took me almost three hours just to log back into my account, because the login screen wasn’t loading properly. When I finally managed to get in, everything worked normally for a couple of hours, so I thought the problem was fixed. Then, without any clear reason, the same issue came back. The feed stopped loading, stories disappeared, and the app became unusable again.

I also attempted to clear both the cache and the local app data to see if that would provide a clean slate. Unfortunately, it backfired. Now I'm stuck on the login screen again and can't even get back into my account, because the app fails to load during the sign in process.

What makes this even more confusing is that, on my phone, everything works perfectly. Both devices are Android, so it’s not like I’m switching between different systems. Same account, same network, but completely different behavior.

At this point, I’m starting to think it’s something specific to the tablet, maybe some kind of compatibility issue or system-level bug, but I’m not sure. Reinstalling and clearing data didn’t fix it, and now I’m locked out on that device.

Has anyone else run into this kind of issue where Instagram works fine on one Android device but not another? If so, did you manage to fix it or at least figure out what was causing it?

Thanks in advance to anyone who will reply.

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u/Melodic-Attorney9918 — 2 months ago