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What if Crowe is the free s-rank released with Sunbringer as a BIS support like how Zhao was with Ye Shunguang or goes the Harumasa route and is released as a free Dps

Now I don't want to come of mean but how?, I understand that it felt suddenly deviating and out of pocket but that's what happens with world building. The whole essence of Season 2 was showing that there's more to the world outside of Sixth Street and the classic Shenanigans, even then Season 1 wasn't exactly down to earth the second Miyabi got introduced and we saw her fighting Nineveh.

Void hunters Can be classified as literal super powered humans with abilities to destroy on a scale beyond what should be ideally humanly possible, we know this because the teaser in 1.0 specifically touched on the first Void hunters and they're deeds. Joyous exploring the Divine maze that even today with all the Carrot data and tech hasn't still been successfully replicated. Sunbringer killing a literal Airborne Hollow completely and building an Airspace in its stead. Swordmaster killing The Overseer who looked like a Doomsday version of The dead end But her. Remielle, Beliora and Falkenhayn Pushing the literal dark wall back 37km and Arche finding the properties of Hollows and they're characteristics.

People will hear this and think ohhhhh that's down to earth. The criticism feels more like a deliberate ignorance and lack of attention to detail than a valid complaint, we knew about the Hollows, knew what they did with the fall of the old capital and what happened to people like trigger, knew about the sacrifice experiments, knew about The wars between the defense force and some other species like Oni.

I understand if someone feels disoriented by the scale season two jumped too but that was because the proxies moved higher up the ladder, they had more threats to face and as we've seen in season three and season twos closing bigger lore and more dangerous opponents and situations. This is all just standard progression.

The criticism is just ingenious because the scale stopped being normal as soon as Void hunters where introduced, if you're fine with Miyabi ( someone who can defeat an extremely powerful multiple cores Ethereal in two and a half minutes and split A hollow with a slash) then the complaint fails to make sense as most people are like "but Miyabi was down to earth" no she wasn't.

Inspired by this graph from a deleted Arknights post.

Calcs made based on this S-Rank Pull Distributions post. 500,000 simulated pull sessions for each category, assuming that:

• Character: Flat 0.6% pulls 1-74, then grades linearly to 100% pull 90.
• W-Engine: Flat 1% pulls 1-64, then grades linearly to 100% pull 80.
• Average cost: Buying only 6,480 Monochrome packs for 99.99€ each, without any first-time double bonus.

Graphs made with Matplotlib (Python).

I probably won't make any other graphs, I was just curious.

M0, R1, M0R1 and M1

M0 to M6

R1 to R5

M6R5

We start off from Remielle's Quote,

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Here, it is pretty clear they are talking about Helios Academy here, also what they gained from that place.

Remielle started working with Helios Academy (Professor Arche) and Sunbringer on Project Sunseeker, the project where they tried to fuse the user of a VH weapon with the Karma Core inside it, so that they could utilize more of the power. This resulted in Vike completely transform into an enchainer, and Remielle to take a slanted path to the transformation.

Proxies on the other hand, were raised by Carole Arna, and they became the top of their class, and were deemed qualified for the ocular implants.

On a side note, it's interesting how all of the children who got the ocular implants were adopted. Wise and Belle were taken in by Carole, and Truvia and Serpico were adopted by Mosseint of High Ambition Corps. We know nothing about the parents or family of proxies except a crackpot theory that suggests they are Joyous' descendants. It's because some people also say that Belle's eyebrows are Grey, which means she dyes her hair. But she has to be dyeing it from way back in the flashbacks if so. Still, the most unrealistic part of this theory is Joyous actually getting laid.

Anyway, the proxies have ocular implants, they not only have a unique ability to communicate across hollows and mainland, but a specific entity tied to them like Tailless or Qingming sword, which entity is also the source of the combat power, just like Tailless or Qingming sword. It's also said that the reason proxies started having problems with the implants was because the balance of powers has been thrown off, which is suspiciously similar to what leads the Qingming sword users to go boom.

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Here's another thing though: The eye colours. From Harumasa's character Demo we see how he was an experimentation of trying to get ethereal characteristics into Humans, probably trying to make hollow navigation safe for humans. On the demo, in the clip where he's transforming back and forth into an ethereal and human, his golden eyes have the turquoise blue color on the right eye. Sunbringer's Power is genesis Reconstruction, which means it has to do with the genetics of humans and ethereals like her. We know that the eye colour is tied to her power is because the creator gave a sliver of Sunbringer's power to Sarah, and her eyes turned into the same Sunbringer eyes. That's what's interesting about the Proxies: their eyes have both the teal and Golden yellow colour in them (see the picture for reference).

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Now you might say, "Well, what about Truvia and Serpico? they dont have that" Well, first off, we come to Serpico. His eyes are green. You know how you get green? By mixing Yellow and Blue. You can get different shades of green by mixing different shades of blue and yellow. Truvia on the other hand, has very yellow/orange-ish eyes, kind of how Harumasa retained his yellow eyes after his experiments. Truvia and Serpico also represent the two extremities of the story of Icarus. Serpico retelling flying too close to the sun, Truvia flying too close to the ocean. I will talk about it in a future post in detail.

As we know, MOST of the Void Hunter Weapons are crafted by Flint workshop. This includes Thaumiel and Tailless by Omond Flint(since he was the Flint of their time), including the Omond Research Station for Operation Bagel (Enigma of the Labyrinth)

Omond Flint, Sunbringer and Joyous at the Omond Research Station

This begs multiple questions:Do each VH weapon need a separate Karma Core? If so, then how did they get 3 karma cores without the Hive Lord Hollow? Then again, how did the Qingming sword come into being? If it was made during the OGbringer's time, then we would see a person wielding it. Then again, Sunbringer might be involved with it as seen she is involved with some stuff in the Lemnian hollow, including Banyue. Carole Arna went to the Lemnian Hollow to research the Qingming sword among other things, also calling it "the least sacrifice for the greatest outcome" probably talking about the implant recipients. How did Helios academy get hold of 4 different Karma Core, or did They manage to create artificial Karma cores by observing characteristics from Thaumiel and other Karma cores of the past? This is why proxy was able to resonate with not only Remielle, but also Sunbringer: because their Karma Cores were made on the basis of existing Karma Cores.

Also, the thing with Sunbringers is that they themselves hold the Karma core, which is why they can use any Porcelloy weapon and it qualifies as a VH weapon. This is why Lindverne sketches and tries out many Porcelloy weapons from Flint workshop, gathering debt. Because unlike other Void Hunters, Sunbringers give the weapon the power of Karma cores, not the other way around. This also explains why Proxy was able to use Midbringer's Claymore at the end of 3.2. Because he himself has the Karma core within his implants. Pyrois is the "entity" locked in the Karma core, and communication in and out of hollow is the unique power. According to Pyrois, "This power goes far beyond that" When creating and closing singularity leakages. Truvia also created a singularity leakage to drag in Roxy with her Etheric other in this case. The implants also started acting out since coming in contact with the creator, as its artificial, it started glitching, or perhaps unlocked even more of the sealed power.

What if, the sacrifice Carole Arna talked about in the Lemnian hollow actually sacrifices to the Creator to cultivate immature Karma cores? Then this explains why Pyrois went berserk coming in contact with Thaumiel, a void Hunter Weapon that Arche and others based off their ocular implants. It is basically confirmed that Carole Arna worked with the exaltists. While the exaltists, specifically Landon was studying how to create Sacrifices, specifically Enchainer Larvae, Carole Arna was researching about how to create Karma cores? Or perhaps they already knew how to make karma cores, and were bottlenecked by Enchainer Larvae?

This is also why the title "The Legacy of Helios Academy" holds so much weight. Professor Arche spent over a Century studying how to assimilate a Karma Core into a human Being, and the 4 students (Well, 3 now, really) who have the implants are the pinnacle of this research. This also probably explains why Serpico was made into an intelligent Construct to keep him around. This is because the Karma core and the Power within the Implants was too good to be left to waste.

Im trying to do a chain combo with sanby where i stun them, apply shock, use 3 stacks of azure then ult, use stack, and use my 2 ex for 6 more stacks, but the chain prompt comes up. Is there away to do the combo then chain follow up? (I have manual on) so far the only way i found is to cancel the chain but it wastes dps, so just wondering if there and way to get both or i need to cancel the chain atk.

I didn't quite grasp the whole story regarding Wise and the ocular implants.

Here’s what I understood: the ocular implants act as an intermediary between Wise and Helious (which, from what I’ve gathered, is the golden Ethereal form Wise transforms into). If the two work together, Pyrois is born, otherwise, Wise is consumed by that golden Ethereal form. They share Pyrois, and Pyrois only exists through their collaboration. The Etheric Other.

So, I have a few questions. I imagine some might not have been answered yet while others have, but I’d like to verify them with you all.

Why exactly did Wise, and a few others receive these ocular implants? Is there a direct link to Sunbringer’s Sunseeker project? If I recall correctly, everyone in ZZZ has Ether particles in their bodies, does that mean Pyrois was always present within Wise, and the implant somehow manifested that consciousness? Was Wise already special in some way with the implants amplifying that trait or did the implants give rise to the whole thing? Is the golden Ethereal form special in some specific way?

Will the armorer class eventually be? like what fate is it going to have? for example like anomalies, which: ALWAYS have DA or shiyu shills, can do way many things outside the stun window (ablooms, etc), lots of supports to make your damage much higher, etc... I mean all the golds and treasures you can ever think of in a ZZZ class.

Or rupture, which is.. a forgotten DPS class, only has ONE boss, ONE support, and their mechanics of "ignoring defense and scales off HP" doesn't even work to the fullest, I mean they are just basically the class that the devs forgot.

I'm thinking like this: ok first we set shunggus aside because attackers have their own way to find their buffs, and let's look at anomaly. Anomalies have TWO, yes TWO void hunters and I think that's what's making the class alive for patches and the devs basically love it? cmiiw but I think that there's a way, if the upcoming Sunbringer, who is POSSIBLY an armorer, making the armorer class on top of the game for patches like anomalies, with their buffs, shills, and everything.. because it'd be weird to not be making that, right?

I mean just imagine the slander would be if Sunbringer is the Yixuan of armorer (supposedly the only good character in her own class, cmiiw, but you get the point).

They basically have to pick now, whether the armorer class wants to go down the path of rupture, or be milked for patches like anomaly.

I think they would have to make them work together right? like an armorer-attacker team or armorer-anomaly team.

Comment down below what you think?

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I remember only remembering it existed because I randomly clicked on it by accident lol