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Inconsistent PR

Any ideas how to improve the consistency of (good) PR?

Of my last 12 x 9pt matches against the bot (pip count hidden, all between 4 and 10 games): five were between 2 and 5 PR; six were between 5 and 9 PR, one was 15 PR(!). Long-term average is around 6 (5.6 checker, 8.2 cube) and I feel it's realistic to drive it down closer to 5.

Some of this will be luck in terms of whether positions come up that I don't understand as well. And when I'm 50-50 between 2 options some days I pick correctly, other days I get it wrong.

But I feel like there is something about the mental approach. Maybe some days I am feeling bolder or more risk-averse, sometimes maybe I'm lazy about counting the race or counting all the shots, maybe I forget to consider the cube, lose track of the match score etc. There are definitely situations where I consider ABCD and the answer is E that I never saw as a possibility. I think more of my biggest blunders come from these "silly" errors than from the positions that I genuinely don't understand, so I'm trying to work on my psychology for a while rather than theory.

Any tips for consistency, or for a more robust/reliable mental approach to become a bit more consistent and reduce these lapses?

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u/SyllabubRadiant8876 — 1 day ago

Anyone else feel victimized by the backgammon NJ doubling cube?

So I'm an intermediate player and I've been using backgammon NJ for a while. I started to notice that when I play with the cube the computer seems to always dominate. It's not uncommon for it to get a series of fortunate rolls and then proposes doubling the cube before the match has even started. If I accept the double, the match ends up with 2 or 3 of my guys stuck on the bar in a spot where I need several lucky rolls just to not get backgammoned. Often it will make early moves, such as hitting my guys and leaving theirs fully exposed in a way that statistics would say is not worth the risk, only to be rewarded by me being stuck and rolling back to back double 6s.

At first I assumed I just wasn't that good, but the more I played the more it felt like the computer was just getting fortuitous rolls to a statistically improbable degree. Now I know all of the rolls are programmed in advance and it can't just will up a double 6's in the final stretch of a close match (though it often can feel that way), but it seems like it always gets the better starting rolls. To test this theory, I started asking for hints on every single roll for a series of matches. For context, I play on hard and I assume the hint button mimics an expert or statistically perfect player. And yet I (or rather the expert computer via the hints) still got outplayed by the computer on hard mode. I suppose I could've tried this for a larger sample size to test my theory, but frankly I don't have the time. I resorted to literally cheating and looking at the next rolls before making certain high impact moves and yet the computer on hard mode would always seem to pull things out. It would seem to dominate in a way that I never experience when playing real people on a board, even with friends I've played that are borderline experts. It seems to win with a dominance that can only be achieved with unbelievably hot rolls.

And then the weirdest thing happened...

I switched to playing without the doubling cube. All of a sudden things became much more even. I often win matches to 9 or 11. When I lose single games it's often close and I almost never get gammoned. It's rare that either I or the computer end up in obviously dominant positions early on that would warrant doubling the cube.

Is there any explanation to this? Am I just crazy and reacting to events that can be explained with normal dice roll variance? I may not be that good but I'm not THAT not good and the computer on hard mode shouldn't be THAT dominant.

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u/mcburnerspoint — 21 hours ago

I feel I may learn an important lesson if I can understand why the recommended move is so much better than mine.

I'm sorry if this is totally basic but I don't get it!

I'm supposed to leave three exposed singletons in my home board why is that?

u/Rahodees — 1 day ago

terminology during bearing off

So, I know that failing to roll a successful incoming roll from the bar is dancing or fanning.

Question: Is there similar terminology (or is it the same?) for rolls during bear off where one can only bear off one checker, or worse, none?

Thanks! Roll on my brothers and sisters!

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u/wakeupdreamingF1 — 1 day ago

Asynchronous cross-platform app?

Do you know of any great asynchronous cross-platform backgammon apps? My friends and I love Backgammon NJ, but we can’t play with Android friends.

I’ve read DailyGammon could be an answer, but I was hoping for an app. I’ll try DailyGammon out too though.

Anything else out there?

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u/amason — 2 days ago
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I finally released my backgammon game on Google Play

I've been working on this for the past few months, and Orion Backgammon is finally live on Google Play.

It's a backgammon game I built from scratch, with a focus on making the whole experience feel clean, simple and enjoyable rather than overloaded with ads and menus.

It's the first release, so there are probably a few bugs and things that still need polishing. I'd really appreciate feedback from people who actually play backgammon.

If you have a few minutes to try it, I'd love to hear what you think, especially if there's anything that feels off, broken or could be improved.

Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.arthea.orion

Thanks 🙏

u/OrionBackgammon — 2 days ago

Which side?

Complete beginner here. How to determine which player will have the right or left side?

What if both want the right side?

I know it is mirrored and maybe there's really no advantage, but what if a player is so used to playing at right (moving counter-clockwise). He'll need time to adjust playing with unfamiliar direction. Wouldn't it have some effect on his strategy? He may even move the piece in opposite direction due to muscle memory.

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u/LuffyKudo — 2 days ago

Does anyone feel that backgammon help them in other areas of life?

Hi! An amateur player here. Backgammon makes me see things different in life, for example in videogames. This main thing of backgammon of when to race or when to stay make me a better videogames player, situations like if it’s worth going back to save a teammate or do I need to rush forward, am I ahead and play safe or Do I need to create problems to get back in race, etc. Have you experienced something like this?

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u/BiscottiRound7114 — 3 days ago

I cannot believe that AI would say this is the best move.

Hello, an amateur player here! Even though the equity difference is non existent, I still don't see why my move is not the best. There are 2 on the bar and the advantages are: hitting 14 from 2 positions(15, 17) instead of one, getting an anchor also from 4, I'm not scared of anything on the next roll. What move would you do? I mean....yeah, breaking the anchor on 8 and not having a slot on 13 seen from a different angle it's understandable why would be this the best move.

u/BiscottiRound7114 — 3 days ago

For guys that think backgammon is not mostly luck

Would you still play as often if backgammon was only 1 match play with no cubes?

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u/Rayess69 — 5 days ago

Good books to improve your game?

Hey guys wondering what books you recommend to learn the game better. I know how to play but I’m fairly new to the game still. Thanks all!

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u/g_gnrs — 5 days ago

Luck rating query

This is NOT a “poor me” post, bear with it !

I’ve been on the wrong end of higher than 100% luck ratings many times on Galaxy and literally not once on the right side of it.

I am not very good but I mostly play people lower rated than me and who play worse

Is it a thing that a weaker player is more likely to record a high luck rating - because they put themselves in more positions where they really need a joker -?

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u/StrangeComfortable9 — 5 days ago

Backgammon Galaxy -- to play a match (not just a game) vs AI do I have to subscribe?

Just making sure I'm not missing something. When I try to play a match of any length but 1, it pops up the subscription dialog, and the only options I can see are to subscribe or to return, with no way to select a length other than one once I return. Is that right? I can't play a match vs ai without paying?

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u/Worth-Novel-2044 — 5 days ago

Strategy when opponent has 4(+) blots in your home

I find that if for whatever reason, opponents end up with 4 or more blots in my home. The chances of, getting hit , even when playing perfectly, are enormous.

So what often happens, i get lucky or opponent plays bad and ends up with a lot of blots in my home base, i keep.plagijf perfect and am ahead all of the time.

Meanhwile opponent just slowly closes his home base and eventually hits me once and my full lead will evaporate.

Im even thinking of this could be used as a strategy? Play extremely risky in the beginning. Either you get ahead and lock up and play conservative or if you get behind, you purposely sacrifice a couple more blots to be able to get back in the game.

Thoughts?

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u/Shadow__Account — 5 days ago

13 days post launch: what I've learned building a backgammon app (with real numbers)

I'm a solo dev behind Backgammon Reserve, which I launched on the IOS App Store on July 31st. Wanted to share some honest stats and lessons from the first two weeks.

Stats:

  • 105 players
  • 21 active yesterday, 55 this week
  • 60 human vs human games in the last 7 days
  • 89.6% of online games played to completion
  • 126 bot games in the past 7 days
  • 10 correspondence games in progress right now

Lessons/Thoughts:

  • Live matchmaking is rough with a small player pool. Correspondence games (24h per move) now carry most of the online play, so I made that the default suggestion when you hit play.
  • Building correspondence games has been one of the best ideas I've had, because it lets me connect with people and play games even while the player count is small. It also gives me the chance to play with users and ask them for feedback.
  • People play bots way more than I expected. A lot of people have been installing the game and not even attempting to play against a human.
  • Everyone I've encountered in-app has said they're really enjoying the UI and gameplay. The stickiness of the people who have decided to play has been a good sign, but it's a very small sample size so far.
  • A lot of people have been connecting with their friends and playing them daily, which has been cool to see.
  • I had some trouble with online games taking a while to load on launch. This has been my biggest bug so far, and I'm thankful that's the worst of it. I introduced loading screens and that has made the app feel so much better, but there are still so many minor details that need to be addressed.

I've been one of the first employees at a few startups and have others products I sell online as a side hustle from my full-time job as a Software Engineer in Denver, CO. I know building something like this always takes consistency, and overnight success is extremely rare. I've always worked on business products, and it has been fun to work on something different this time around.

For those interested in trying out my app, know that your feedback will be very much heard in my attempt to build one of the best backgammon apps available. Please comment below if there's anything missing, either from wherever you currently play or from the app I've built.

u/AffectionateBag8448 — 6 days ago