r/dbz

I love imagining what artifacts from the Dragon Ball universe might still exist hundreds of years after the adventures. My latest creation is a Tree of Might Fruit, crafted entirely from scratch. I designed it as if it were a long-lost relic, preserved through time, with the kind of energy you can almost feel radiating from it. It’s my take on what the universe left behind—a piece of history that tells the story of Saiyans and their legendary battles. I love making these artifacts because they blend Dragon Ball lore with a “post-legendary archaeology” vibe. This fruit is now part of my collection, as if I stumbled upon it in some forgotten ruins. Who else would want to take a bite?

Hello, everyone!

This'll be my first post, and I know that this is random since it's a topic that's pretty old, but I've recently been making a list of every OST that was plagiarised by Kenji Yamamoto. I've started with only Budokai 3 since that is the one I'm the most versed in.

Eventually, I'd like to get to Budokai 1, 2, Infinite World, Burst Limit, and maybe Raging Blast 2.

For those who have been wondering what the inspirations were, this is for you. I would also like help identifying the remaining tracks. Thus far, I've only managed 15 on my own!

Also, if there is some sort of community or server that is interested in this, I'd love to know!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gIYt_tuV44W5bdqTd7SJ8_KKU81UuCS5-j7xUOFFWH8/edit?usp=sharing

Budokai 3 OST

I’m a 17 year old artist who has loved Dragon Ball for a very long time. I hope you enjoy my fanart! ❤️‍🔥

Either this man loves DBZ, or he doesn't and is about to get sued like crazy.

Names are based on:
Picorn: Piccolo + corn/acorn
Starccolo: Starch + stark + Piccolo
Picoleaf: Piccolo + leaf

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Do you guys think there any kind of relation between these two? I just want to get a discussion going before Future Saga Chapter 4 comes out because most likely the ending of Chapter 4 is going to lead into Xenoverse 3.

Aside from her hair color slightly being off and skintone being lighter there might be some sort of relation here, but the eye color throws me off so she must have got them from her mom or used Magic to change them or use contacts but that last one is a lame answer.

I say that because Shin/Nahare do have the ability to change ones appearance giving Goku pointed ears in Daima, so it has to be safe to say that Glind have the ability to change the way they look.

Also she wears some of the same colors as Fu Black and Yellow and White but those are the socks but she does wear a lot more off-white in her outfit.

Anyway that's all I got am I crazy? Or maybe I am on to something here? the choice is yours.

The pics are not mine.

According to Saucenao:

1st Pic is by MasterGokuR06 https://www.deviantart.com/mastergokur06/art/Goku-and-Vegeta-SSJG-802734298

2nd is By BrusselTheSaiyan https://www.deviantart.com/brusselthesaiyan/art/Super-Saiyan-Blue-Evolution-Vegeta-887828192

3rd is By KacperKrysiak https://www.deviantart.com/kacperkrysiak/art/Broly-legendary-super-saiyan-963516163

It was a mistake, Super Saiyan God/God ki that is. But since it exists, here's an idea of how we make it make sense.

So, let's begin; the ritual is bull. Simply in the sense that you don't actually need "Saiyans with righteous hearts" or whatever. That was just built into the legend, to try and curb the abuse of that power; from those who shouldn't have it. They asked if Shenron knew the legend, and so Shenron told them the legend. Not what it actually was they were doing. In reality you actually just need enough energy to force Divine Energy/God Ki to occur.

Which itself is an energy compression, and density increasing technique. The red coloring comes from the low level, and imperfect; chaotic, compression of energy. Which also stimulates their Saiyan bodies due to the chaos of the energy bouncing around within, resulting in the similar red color of their hair and eyes.

It also stops aging, and clearly reverses it to an extent; hence the younger look.

However, if they were performing the technique properly; their hair, eyes; and energy, would actually be blue.

If you remember back in early Z, Vegetas energy used to be blue; and since we're making things make sense, I'd like to think that's because he used to channel his energy in a more inefficient way then the Z fighters did; in universe. And so while dense, and powerful; it was ultimately proven to be too clunky and less useful, when compared to the way the Z fighters used their energy.

Which is why we see his energy becomes white/transparent like the other Z fighters later on.

Meanwhile Divine Energy/God Ki, is a better and more efficient way of doing things; while also making their regular energy permanently denser, and keeping them young as long as they keep using it. Eventually resulting in them always having Divine energy. But it can only be performed with access to extremely high levels of energy to begin with, which results in unintentionally compressing it to the point it turns into Divine energy. Hence the ritual.

Which is where Super Saiyan Blue comes in, I think that should actually be False Super Saiyan, with Divine energy. The partial transformation allows them to cheat a bit, and compress more energy; hence the light blue.

They don't realize it's False Super Saiyan, because of the way it feels combined with Divine Energy; and because of how it looks. (At least on Goku) This explains why SSB is seemingly so weak and costly. (At least in the anime)

Because they're only getting a 25x increase, instead of a 50x. And since they aren't fully transformed, the strain could also be worse. This also explains why they haven't been able to properly combine Divine Energy with the other Super Saiyan forms.

So Super Saiyan Blue Evolved, or Divine Blue as it should be called; will actually be Vegeta dropping down from False Super Saiyan, and using Divine Energy in base form properly. He doesn't realize this, and so he hasn't been able to attain the form again.

Once both Vegeta & Goku realize what's happening though, and with all the experience they've gained; combined with how much denser their regular energy has become thanks to the continued use of Divine Energy, they should then be able to attain true Divine power in base form; easily enough. Which again, would be Divine Blue.

This leaves them open to learning how to combine all of the Super Saiyan forms, with Divine energy; and again, it also explains why they have not been able to combine SSB with the other Super Saiyan forms thus far.

Because they were never fully transformed to begin with. And so True Super Saiyan Divine? or Divine Green? Or True Super Saiyan God? Or simply Super Saiyan Divine? Whatever you want to call it, will now be attainable.

(I think it should simply be Super Saiyan Divine, or Divine Super Saiyan; that way it's far less clunky, especially for 2, and above. So Super Saiyan Divine 2, or Divine Super Saiyan 2. Whichever is fine.)

Also, after learning Divine Blue; Divine Red should be much easier to maintain and use. And it should eventually become an always on form. At the very least, it should be an always on form for a year; and then they should transition into having Divine Blue be their always on form for another year.

Because, as plenty have already pointed out; DR was underutilized. And this gives them more reason to use both it, and Divine Blue. As well as their new Super Saiyan Divine forms.

And Super Saiyan Blue itself should basically be made totally obsolete, and fazed out entirely; unless in a really desperate situation, where that's the best they can do. From now on, it's Divine Red; into Divine Blue; into Super Saiyan Divine. Etc etc.

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Ultimately, the Divine forms should be a transitioning period/power; used for priming their bodies, their minds; their energy, and their physical Super Saiyan transformations for fully embracing always on MUI & MUE.

And the reason they can already perform those techniques, in base form at least; is because their base states have already been partially primed. Thanks to their use of DR and SSB.

But to fully transition into having those techniques (UI & UE) be a constant, always on reality for them; as well as being able to utilize those techniques with their SS forms on top of it, they'll need to take the time to fully prime those forms both in base and above; with Divine Energy properly. Aka with the SSD forms.

Both base form and regular Super Saiyan should be pretty quick to prime and master, as they were already partially priming both through the use of DR & SSB; the rest will need some time and training. They first need to normalize Divine power, aka make their base energy dense enough; so that when they get knocked out, they return to Divine Red; and not full base state.

I think you get the idea.

As for making their first two Super Saiyan forms, and I guess 3 as well; distinct, when they're using MUI & MUE; (Which we have to do because of Vegetas blasted hair.) I can only think of making just their eyes, (with pupils this time) and energy; SS green in color, while keeping the hair color white/purple. And of course the SS2 & 3 lightning. I think that's the best solution.

Maybe MUISS3 & MUESS3 could also be so powerful, it generates its own gravity as well?

Alternatively, (and this is something I would really rather not have as I think it's too much) making the pointy tips of their hair, kind of like the tips of Yamatos (One Piece) bangs; but shorter in length then hers, so from white to green for MUISSD, and from purple to green for MUESSD; could be a solution.

(Maybe there could also be energy particles seen flowing through those bits too? Or perhaps through the skin, like veins? Or falling out from the tips of their hair? Not sure about those, it all seems a bit much personally; especially considering how they seemed to hate animating things in DBS.)

Regardless of that though, this helps solve/fix what Divine Energy/ki is meant for.

It is simply a primer for fully embracing always on MUI & MUE. As for why Whis hasn't said anything, or corrected false notions; it could simply be because he wants them to figure it out on their own, or that he's only allowed to outright tell them what Divine Energy is for; if they've fully committed to becoming a Destroyer God/Angel or, if they figure it out for themselves.

Also, this obviously solves the issue of Black Frieza.

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And now let's move onto the Super Saiyan 4 issue, As it is, we can say that Daima's SS4 is a False/Incomplete version, because Goku doesn't already have a tail in base form.

This is a physical transformation after all, enabled by their biology; and their tail would normally store large quantities of the fluid that enables their physical transformations, which is why they're unable to maintain the wasteful Great Ape form for long after they lose it; and why they cannot transform into the Great Ape if they don't already have access to a large supply of the stuff.

Same thing here, this form can not be truly completed until they regain their tails in base form; and store up that fluid. Without that tail, the body is too busy trying to maintain what it has been able to transform; to be of any real use in battle. If Super Saiyan 3 is hard to maintain without a tail, then Super Saiyan 4 should be even harder; since it's such a drastic change to the body.

Which normally wouldn't be the case for a completed SS4, as we've seen in GT. Which is obviously what the completed forms will look like as well.

Because it's such a drastic change to the body, once fully transformed; maintaining the form is actually quite easy, as it'll take less fluid to maintain a fully transformed body; then to actively keep trying to complete the transformation. And thus, the body can then start building back up the fluid it used during the transformation.

This also explains why they never used the form in Super, it was too unstable and impractical to ever consider using outside of an extremely desperate; last ditch effort scenario.

The next step for them is to regain their tails in base form, and start mastering SS4. Since False SS4 exists, we do know that they can regrow their tails; at least temporarily, so they should focus on learning how to regrow it permanently in base form. And at will, should it be cut off again.

Or, if people don't like that idea; perhaps they could use the Dragon Balls to wish that all Saiyans on Earth; and their decedents, will now; and forever, have the ability to regrow their tails whenever they want?

Or it could simply be another Whis fix it moment, or even a Dende fix it moment?

Either way, as it is; we can say that Daima's Super Saiyan 4 is very clearly incomplete, and impractical as is. Which is why the haven't used it, and have instead focused on these other techniques.

Obviously, once they've mastered the SS4 form properly, they should then take the time to prime it with Divine Energy.

Unsure what color it should take, perhaps they can use both DR & DB since SS4 kind of acts like a new base form itself? Either way, once that's done they can finish it off with combining it with MUI & MUE. Thus completing their journey into true, independent Godhood.

In the grand scheme of things, they will likely never have to use MUISS4 & MUESS4. Then again, there are still plenty of other universes they haven't been to yet; so maybe they could find a reason to use it at least once. Time is relative after all, and those universes could be running at a faster or slower pace than Universe 7.

(Also, I don't care what anyone says; whenever they transform, their tails change color too!)

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Anyways, I think this gives a pretty clear path forward for future Dragon Ball; given the fact that the concept of Divine Energy/God Ki unfortunately exists.

I have taken the liberty of ignoring Goku Blacks Super Saiyan Rosé, as well as Beast Gohan; because I sincerely hate those forms. And don't even want to think about it, so I will simply leave it to someone else to figure out how to explain them.

As for Broly and Kale? Well, they're just mutants who have access to so much energy; they can inadvertently access and use Divine Energy all on their own.

Though it's clearly an unfocused, and unrefined Super Saiyan Divine; as it just happens naturally once they've transformed into a Super Saiyan, they don't really understand what it is they're doing; and thus are weaker for it.

So, how do you all feel about this? If incorporated and done properly, it could mean a lot more Dragon Ball! Even if it's just fan made stuff. Either way, I just wanted to get these general ideas out there for people to chew on. And maybe, (hopefully) influence future DB a bit. Or a lot, that'd be cool too.