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I think that this saga surpasses the Frieza saga. It felt like the most personal conflict Goku has faced. King Piccolo was a good personal villain whom Goku barely defeated. It was a climax of his Great Ape power.

He got revenge on him for Cymbal killing Krillin.

Tien and Roshi could not defeat him.

Goku lost to him badly in their first fight. He needed to be healed and was found by Yajirobe who gave him senzu beans. Yajirobe sliced a dragon he was no pushover here.

Anyone remember when Mr. Popo re-assembled shenron in his lego model? Yes King Piccolo actually killed Shenron.

If the buu saga was a part of super instead of z, it would make dragon ball z have a complete story without god level intervention, solely focusing on the introduction of the saiyans and frieza and ending the show with a earth threat through bringing back the red ribbon army and not ending with a timeskip. It would also make super flow better as it starting with the timeskip makes it feel better as the z fighters in super are closer in age at the end of z so it’s like one age, and it starts with an introduction into god like beings and supreme kais which makes beerus a more natural progression of things, and then following that up with frieza and a future story make more sense too as those arcs are to dbs and dbz, what bringing back the red ribbon army for cell was to dbz and og db. And lowkey when you interpret the story that way it makes everything seem a lot more tightly written.

I rewatched the episode where Vegeta & Nappa invaded Arlia recently and I'm fascinated by their time working for Frieza conquering planets.

I wonder if they ever had challenging fights that pushed them? It seems like saiyans love challenging battles so I wonder if they ever got that.

Like imagine in frieza's perspective you were just beaten to a pulp by a basically hulking green gorrila for literally two whole hours, suddenly this random dude showed up, in this weird clothing but very clearly Saiyan, just showed up, easily throw hands with said green giant, turn super Saiyan blue out of nowhere, and casually clean house with him, all within a span of 15 minutes, never elaborate further and then dip.

I could imagine Frieza just spend rest of his life, in a wild goose chase finding this Saiyan that does not technically exist, and is not like he can decipher the fusion fit either, because it technically doesn't exist in this realm as is probably a demon realm or afterworld technique, something Frieza would have no way to know.

Ironically, Future Trunks' timeline in GT would probably be more peaceful than the main timeline. Baby wouldn't be around because, first, he wouldn't have anyone strong enough to leech off of, and second, Dr. Myuu the Saiyans were gone.

The Shadow Dragons Saga wouldn't happen either, since the Dragon Balls had been inactive for decades. Dr. Gero and Android 17 are both dead, so the very reason Dr. Myuu and Gero returned to Earth(Goku), is gone as well. As far as we know, that means there would be no Super 17 either.

That also means there would be no space travel, since the whole thing with Pilaf's wish would never happen. As a result, there would be no journey across the universe to search for the Black Star Dragon Balls.

Wow, if you think about it, Goku and Vegeta are the reason every major saga in GT actually happened.

We measured the MVP on influence, impact compared to strength and did they reach their goal?
We gave minimum MVPs to overarching villians
We followed a mix of the anime and manga for this
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DB:
Emporer Pilaf arc-Bulma
21st Tb - Master Roshie
Red Ribbon Army Arc - Bulma
22nd TB Arc - Tien
Piccolo Arc - Tambourine
23rd TB -Piccolo MJ

DBZ
Saiyan Saga:
Raditz Arc - Piccolo
Nappa Arc - Piccolo
Vegeta Arc - Krillin

Namek Saga:
Namek Saga (Initial)- Vegeta (HM: Gohan and Krillin
Ginyu Force Arc - Vegeta (HM: Gohan and Krillin
Frieza Arc - Vegeta/Gohan (HM: Dende and Krillin

Cell Saga
Future Trunks Arc - F Trunks
Initial Android Arc - Android 20/ F Trunks
Android Arc - Android 18/Android 17 (HM: Trunks)
Cell Saga - Gohan (HM: Tien, A16and Cell)
Future Timeline Arc (Initial) - F Gohan
Future timeline Arc (After Cell) - F Trunks

Majin Saga
Great Saiyaman Arc - Gohan
World Tournament Arc- Spopovich/Kid Trunks
Majin Arc Arc - Dabura
Majin Vegeta Arc- Vegeta
Majin Buu Arc - Majin Buu (HM: Evil Buu/ Hercules
Super Buu Arc - Super Buu
Vegito Arc - Vegito
Kid Buu - Hercules/Vegeta ( 49.5/50.5) HM: Kid Buu
End Of Z- Uub

DBS
GoD Arc - Vegeta
RoF Arc - Vegeta
U6 Arc- Hit/Beerus

Zeno Saga
Future Trunks Arc - Goku Black (Not Zamasu) ( HM: F Trunks and Bulma)
ToP Arc - Jiren (HM: Kale, Master Roshi, Frieza, Android 17)

Broly Arc - Broly (HM: Cheelai)

Universe 6:
Galactic Patrol Arc - Moro (HM: Merus)
Granolah Arc - Granolah
Gas Arc - Elec

Super Hero Saga:
High School Arc - Trunks
Super Hero Movie - Gohan

GT
Grand Tour Arc - Pan
Baby Arc - Baby
Super 17 Arc - 17 (HM: 18)
Shadow Dragons Arc- Omega Shenron

Top MVPs:
Gohan 4x
Piccolo 3x
Vegeta 7x
F Trunks 3x