r/exchabad

1. How many Chabadniks are actually meshichist? Is there a difference in beliefs in between Crown Hights vs. Israel vs. Elsewhere?

2. Outside of Meshichism, how common is the belief that the Rebbe was superhuman in some way?

3. Are some people just staying in Chabad because it is their family's tradition, but really hate the meshichist stuff/ obession with the Rebbe & Chabad's refusal to get a new one? Or did those people mostly leave long ago for mainstream Orthodoxy?

4. Genuinely curious: how do they not see that this is literally just Christianity 2.0?? Does the thought not, at least, occur to anyone who thinks Rebbe is moshiach?!

EDIT: my flair is "kinda Chabad", but I'm not. I'm just Jewish, never been Chabad but the only other flair option I saw was "Non-Jewish Visitor" lol

Ok so I have a bone to pick with Chabad. There’s a lot of things I don’t understand about them and I’m trying to understand if I’m just ignorant or what? s

1-Does every Chabadnick believe the Rebbe was the Messiah? Ive heard some do some dont? Whats the truth?
2-Why are there mental gymnastics around asking them if they think the Rebbe was the Messiah
3-Why do they say “we love every Jew” but then harass the F out of you if you don’t come to their next event after coming once
4-Why are they so popular? I’m seeing more and more young ppl joining…
5-If the Rebbes own brother went OTD, then why so much hate towards secular ppl?
6-why do they always label secular ppl as “they just aren’t taught right” … like do ppl not have critical thinking??

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Yes, I wish this was a joke. In 2017 I was still in chabad community here in Sydney Australia. We have always learned so much about how amazing crown Heights is, and how incredible the rebbe and 770 is etc. To me, a frum chabad girl who has never been to America before, going to seminary there was a dream come true. Most of my friends went to Israel seminary, but since all their families were high up in the community (lots of yichus) and they had good last names, they all got into the sems they wanted to, and I got rejected.

I was so upset, because genuinely I was so chassidish and sincere, and it bothered my how unfair that system was - but that's another story.

Anyway, my second option was to go to crown Heights, but since my family is low income, it was really hard to afford it. If I would have gone to Israel, there would have been Masa funds and scholarships etc, but Crown Heights didn't offer that.

I started a GoFundMe, saying how I really want to go to seminary etc, and my friends sent it around. It got a lot of funds really fast, which was so exciting. We ended up raising $15,000 (and it makes me sick until this day that they have that money.)

In late high school I had depression, and saw a psychologist. It was really hard at times, but I got so much better, enough that my treating team was happy to send me overseas for a year. Thankfully, there wasn't much stigma about mental health here in Sydney, and I was able to get the help I needed at the time. However, very quickly I learned that crown Heights did not feel the same way.

After receiving my student visa I booked my tickets to go to seminary in bais rivka crown Heights. I was having my last session with my psychologist at the time, and we thought it might be a good idea to let the admin know that mental health is something I struggled with in the past, I was completely okay then, but just so that they had a heads up if I needed anything.

I genuinely was so fine with it because it seemed like a normal and responsible thing to do.

THE NEXT FUCKING DAY we get an email saying that they will be cancelling my student visa, as they "cannot deal with depressed people" and that "they can't cater for depressed people".

This was before speaking to me, before meeting with me, before talking to my team, before talking to my parents. No communication, no questions, just the information that they cannot have someone who had depression in their seminary. (meanwhile so many people had depression, they just had no clue what it was or were probs told that they should just write to the rebbe lol)

I was outraged, and thankfully so was my community. I had some people email them and vouch for me as well.

Morah gorowitz (the principal there) was so disgusting about it.

Anyway, I stupidly had my heart set on going still and seeing 770 and the ohel, so I fought so hard to still go. Eventually, I eneded up going 3 months late, with the condition that I had a carer. (after meeting this carer once, the carer was like bro your fine we don't need to do this)

This was my introduction to crown Heights. It was so disheartening to see that this was the very place that we learned about so far away in Australia, but this is how closed minded they were and how they treated people.

In my eyes, I was never rebellious, really genuine about going to learn and everything. I thought I was "good enough" to go on shlichus. The second day that I got there, they stared with how untznius I was. I was so ashamed, because for Sydney, I was the most tznius person. It pretty much went down hill from there, but it hurts me so much now knowing that I wasted all that money that could have been used for something good.

I witnessed first hand the hyorocrasy, and the closed mindedness and the cult like behavior. It could be because I come from such an open minded worldly city here in Australia, but wow it was such a bubble there.

So toxic, and I'm so glad I'm out, but it's been so many years and I'm still so angry at them.

I never believed in the concept of moshiach nor worshipped the rebbe, but i wanna know for those who did, what did that look like? Where would he appear all of a sudden? How? What would happen then? Tell us everything.

I don’t.

The circular arguments, the simplistic thinking....I cannot. I'm ashamed and also furious about how many unsuspecting victims get love bombed into joining these crazies.

https://chabadinfo.com/magazine/what-happened-on-gimmel-tammuz/