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The new Bengaluru cricket stadium is a once-in-a-generation opportunity to honour Karnataka's own history.

Instead of another politician or a name that has already been used countless times, let's push for Maharajadhiraja Govinda III Stadium.

Govinda III was one of the greatest emperors in Indian history and the greatest ruler of the Rashtrakuta Empire. His victories, military reputation and international recognition by Arab and Persian writers made him one of the most celebrated monarchs of his age.

If we don't speak up for our own history, no one else will.

Let's make this a community effort. Share the idea, tag the authorities, spread the poster, and respectfully request that the new Bengaluru stadium be named Maharajadhiraja Govinda III Stadium.

Karnataka's history deserves to be seen

I’m launching my debut novel, right here on Reddit section by section.

The Rupee Cipher, which is a fictional treasure hunt novel based on Vijayanagar empire decline and search for that one secret weapon responsible for it.

I'm A/B testing two different cover styles.

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Śabaraphadi (Sabaraphadi) Cave Inscription, Badami, Bagalkot District, Karnataka — the last known inscription associated with Pulakeshin II (Satyashraya). An undated 7th-century inscription in Early Kannada. Often discussed in connection with the final phase of his life and death.

Credits: Karnata Bala YouTube channel for covering this topic. Check his yt :- https://youtu.be/fASfmiMEmzU?si=mh8aPvdnysdImPi8

They should have included Pan (with or without tobacco) spitting as well. I think it's an intentional exclusion.

Khande Raya (Khandoba), also known as Mailara, Mallanna, Mailaralinga, and Mallari Martanda Bhairava, is one of the most important folk deities of the Deccan and is regarded as a form of Shiva. His worship is widespread across Karnataka, Maharashtra, and parts of Andhra Pradesh, where he is venerated by communities ranging from pastoralists and farmers to warriors, merchants, and Brahmins. Scholarly works describe Mailara as the chief deity of an old and important folk religious tradition in Karnataka, noting that medieval Kannada literature (12th century) refers to him as a Śūdra deity whose cult later gained wider acceptance across social groups. The principal centres of his worship include Mylara in Ballari district of Karnataka, Devaragudda in Haveri district, Jejuri in Maharashtra, and Alampur (formerly Alinoi) in Andhra Pradesh. In Karnataka, he is widely known as Mailara or Mailaralinga, and traditions connect his worship with legendary saints such as Kapila Muni and the Gorava devotees. Significantly, medieval Marathi literature frequently refers to him as 'Kānada Khaṇḍerāya' (Kannada Khande Raya), an epithet that has attracted considerable historical interest because it denotes his association with Karnataka rather than an abstract philosophical meaning.

The adjective "Kānada/Kānaḍa" applied to deities in medieval Marathi literature did not originally mean "incomprehensible," as some later scholars claimed. As Jan Nešpor points out, that interpretation is secondary and rests upon the literal meaning "from Karnataka."

This becomes even clearer in the case of Kānada Khaṇḍerāya (Khande Raya/Khandoba). The epithet "Kānada" is used for Khaṇḍobā in the same way it is used for "Kānada Rāmarāja" (King Rāmarāja of Vijayanagara): to denote an origin or association with Karnataka, not a mysterious or unknowable nature.

Attempts to reinterpret Kānada as merely "incomprehensible" or karanāṭaku ("playfully clever") emerged largely to disconnect deities such as Vithoba from their Karnataka associations. Yet historical evidence points the other way:

• Khaṇḍobā's very epithet is Kānada Khaṇḍerāya.
• Vithoba is likewise called Kānada, with Pandharpur itself preserving deep historical links to Karnataka.
• Medieval usage consistently employs Kānada as an ethnogeographic designation rather than an abstract philosophical adjective.

Even Wikipedia notes that Khandoba (Mallari Martanda Bhairava) is worshipped across both Maharashtra and Karnataka, where he is widely known as Mailara or Mailaralinga. Several scholars have connected his cult to earlier Shaiva traditions of Karnataka that later spread northward into Maharashtra.

So when medieval sources call the deity "Kānada Khaṇḍerāya," the simplest reading is also the historical one: Kānada = from Karnataka. Reinterpreting the word as "incomprehensible" ignores how the same adjective was used for historical rulers and other figures to indicate regional origin rather than metaphysical qualities.

"The adjective 'Kānada' is used for Vitthal in the same way as it is used in 'Kānada Khaṇḍerāya' to refer to the god Khandoba and in 'Kānada Rāmarāja' to refer to King Rāmarāja of Vijayanagara: it indicates an origin in Karnataka." — Jan Nešpor, Invisible Religion in Contemporary Society (p. 37)

But she's not wrong about the police lol XD

As a page from the book Founders of Vijayanagara notes, the manner in which Vijayanagara's first dynasty usurped power from the Hoysalas was similar to how the Hoysalas had earlier usurped power from the Chalukyas. This led me to realize that from the time of the Kadambas to the Mysore Kingdom, nearly all these polities referred to their country by a common name: Karnataka, Karnata Rajya, or Karnata Desa.

The only major political split occurred after the fall of the Western Chalukyas, when the Seunas and Hoysalas emerged as separate powers. However, the Seunas were not entirely distinct. Contrary to popular belief, they patronized Kannada for nearly three centuries and also referred to themselves as "Karnata Raya" (King of Karnataka), just as the Hoysalas called themselves "Karnata Arasa" (Lord of Karnataka).

What I observe is that from the Kadambas to the Mysore Kingdom, the same administrative system largely continued, evolving naturally over time. Although parts of the polity were at times conquered by Islamic powers, smaller kingdoms simultaneously continued to represent the Karnataka state tradition. adminstrative saw a big change upon the arrival of the British and the establishment of the Republic of India, Karnataka can be viewed as a single continuous administrative ethnic state tradition rather than a succession of entirely unrelated empires or kingdoms.

Seuna as kannada state but not a distinct entity, source:

1. Marathi Was Not the Official Language of the Seuna Yadavas — Kannada Was: An Analysis of Inscriptional and Literary Evidence https://www.reddit.com/r/Dravidiology/s/kMYz2TQAhy
2. "Karnata-Raya-Vamsabhirama" Title of the Seuna Yadava Kings who called themselves Kings of Karnataka https://www.reddit.com/r/Imperial_Karnataka/s/5E6wk6ceZV
3. https://archive.org/details/seuna_ritti/page/n32/mode/1up
4. Peak of Seuna Yadavas under Singhana II - Kannada Imperialism in 13 th century https://www.reddit.com/r/Imperial_Karnataka/s/ODLSeYuigU
5. The Seuna Yadavas Used Kannada Titles and Names Throughout Their Rule and never in Marathi https://www.reddit.com/r/Imperial_Karnataka/s/V8bFat4o5p
6. Donkey curse: https://archive.org/details/the-quotidian-revolution-vernacularization-religion-and-novetzke/page/85/mode/1up
7. The Hemadri Myth: Did the Yadava Minister Really Formalize Marathi Administration? https://www.reddit.com/r/Imperial_Karnataka/s/OlY6l2OC5K
8. No Evidence for the Use or Development of Modi Script in the Seuna Yadava Period, Often Cited to Project Marathi as a Court Language https://www.reddit.com/r/Imperial_Karnataka/s/ChsSsfm4vO
9. )Seuna Yadava Court Language Reality The Roles of Kannada, Sanskrit and Marathi https://www.reddit.com/r/Imperial_Karnataka/s/G2TqmNVEF4
10. Marathi Literature Confirms Amoghavarsha’s Statement: Kannada Land from Godavari to Kaveri https://www.reddit.com/r/Imperial_Karnataka/s/zBfESq7iXu

Sources of Karnataka as a continuous civilisational state:

1. Karnataka & Karnata-desa means same thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/Imperial_Karnataka/s/30Hc9VcCSc
2. A brief analysis: The long civilizational memory of Karnataka: https://www.reddit.com/r/Imperial_Karnataka/comments/1roeb09/a_brief_analysis_the_long_civilizational_memory/

Calling the Chalukyas "Marathas" or the "Sword of the Marathas" is anachronistic, since the term Maratha itself is of later origin. Even the term Maharashtra in early inscriptions often referred to Karunadu or Karnataka. The Tri-Maharashtra mentioned in inscriptions was simply the territory under the jurisdiction of the Karnata court. Moreover, the Chalukyas referred to themselves as Karnata Bala (the strength/army of Karnataka).

Source: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZ7iNhuT1X7/

The 17th-century grammarian Bhattākalaṅka Deva, in his Karnāṭaka Śabdānuśāsanam, explicitly mentions Kannada (under Sūtra 160) and Kannadiga as the designation for a native of that country (under Sūtra 65). He also refers to the language as Kannada Bhāṣe.

Scholar R. Narasimhachar further points out that the European term "Canara," used to describe Karavali Karnataka (Coastal Karnataka), is simply a corruption of the word Kannada. The Portuguese referred to the kingdom of Bednore Nayakas as the Kingdom of Canara, with Canara being a European corruption of Kannada. This is why the coastal districts of Karnataka are today known as Dakshina Kannada and Uttara Kannada.

Although this post primarily discusses more recent history, these terms have a much older history. A copper-plate inscription dated to around 450 CE refers to Karnata-desa under the rule of the Kadamba dynasty. The Rashtrakuta Kannada literary work Kavirājamārga (9th century CE) defines the extent of the Kannada desa and uses the term "Kannada". Hoysala inscriptions recorded in Epigraphia Carnatica mention that the legendary founder of the dynasty, King Sala, conversed with his guru in Karnataka Bhāṣe or Sva-deśa Bhāṣā before slaying the tiger. Together, these references demonstrate both the plder and more recent history of these terms.

Source:

1. R. Narasimhachar, History of Kannada Language and Literature.
2. Bhattākalaṅka Deva, Karnāṭaka Śabdānuśāsanam (1604 CE)
3. Epigraphia Carnatica, Hoysala inscritpions.