r/indianeconomy

we sjould b constructing 5 cr homes per year.

India is a poor country of a billion plus people. There are almost more people in India than Africa and Europe combined. It is extraordinarily difficult to govern such a large populace. Many factors contribute to India still being so poor and having a terrible quality of life but I like to think that our massive population is the defining factor.

What if we balkanise and form independent nations and then group ourselves into an "Indian Union" as a political, defense & economic alliance. I guess that smaller countries are comparatively easier to govern and develop. Will we finally see prosperity under this arrangement? Or is India too integrated to break apart?

Posting memes like this won't achieve anything. Tell people to stop buying ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) vehicles. Hit the government's tax collection and the auto industry's revenue. When the companies' quarterly reports turn out terrible, they will put pressure on the government. You know why we are being denied BYD and having to settle for Tata, right? Lobbying is highly effective.

gadkari knows his fate, he knows very well that this is his last term as MP/MLA and after this he can never win an election so he is on full spree to mint money. plus the ecosystem is profitting all shareholders be it those in power or in oppositon

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It looks like this is not the first time india was in economic crisis.

It hit crisis a few times before and the soviet union bailed it out.

After the 90s there was no soviet union and hence india had to turn to the IMF.

IMF was not that generous. So it makes me wonder.

This is a genuine question. I'm not looking for political slogans, name-calling replies. I want a logical discussion.

The common criticism I keep seeing is this:

>"The government launched E20 before manufacturers were ready. Existing vehicles are not compatible. Therefore, E20 itself is the problem."

I don't think that conclusion necessarily follows.

If the primary concern is that millions of vehicles were originally designed around E10 or lower blends, then isn't the actual issue vehicle compatibility, not the fuel itself?

By that logic, shouldn't the primary criticism be directed toward:

• Vehicle manufacturers (OEMs) for not transitioning quickly enough.
• Regulatory timelines if they were unrealistic.
• Insurance and warranty policies during the transition.
• Consumer protection for owners of older vehicles.

Instead, many discussions seem to blame E20 itself as though the fuel is inherently the problem.

That is where I get confused.

E20 is still petrol. Just as diesel, CNG, LPG, or high-octane petrol are different automotive fuels, E20 is simply another petrol blend intended for compatible engines.

Nobody buys a diesel car and then blames diesel because petrol won't work in it. Likewise, nobody expects LPG to be suitable for every engine.

We generally accept that fuel and engine compatibility must match.

So if I follow the logic being presented, then BJP, Nitin Gadkari, or Hardeep Puri are not automatically the primary culprits. Why are they becoming the main targets of the outrage?

So why is E20 often treated differently?

If someone owns an older vehicle that is officially incompatible with E20, I completely understand concerns about:

• long-term durability,
• warranty,
• repair costs,
• resale value,
• and consumer inconvenience.

Those are legitimate concerns.

But those concerns still point toward compatibility and transition management rather than proving that E20 as a fuel is inherently bad.

Now consider newer vehicles that manufacturers themselves advertise as E20-compatible.

If such a vehicle develops problems while using fuel within its certified specification, why is the first reaction to blame the Government of India instead of questioning the manufacturer?

If an E20-certified engine cannot reliably operate on E20, wouldn't that indicate either:

• a manufacturing defect,
• poor engineering,
• inadequate quality control,
• or misleading certification?

In almost every other situation, if a vehicle fails while operating within its design specifications, most people take it to the service center. They don't usually conclude that the existence of the fuel itself is the problem.

So why is the reasoning different here?

I've also seen this analogy:

>"Launching E20 before manufacturers are ready is like selling 5G phones before building 5G towers."

I don't think this analogy fits very well.

A better comparison would be introducing a new fuel standard while allowing manufacturers time to produce compatible vehicles and owners of older vehicles time to transition. Whether that transition has been managed well is a fair debate. But that is different from arguing that E20 itself is the problem.

To me, there are several separate issues that often get mixed together:

1. Fuel policy: Should India increase ethanol blending to reduce crude oil imports and diversify fuel sources?
2. Transition planning: Was the rollout paced appropriately for the existing vehicle fleet?
3. OEM responsibility: Did manufacturers provide vehicles that genuinely meet the announced standards?
4. Consumer protection: Were owners of older vehicles adequately protected through warranties, guidance, and compatibility information?

These are different questions, and I don't think they should all be collapsed into "E20 bad."

Fuel pricing is another discussion altogether.

If someone argues that compatible fuels such as XP100 are too expensive, that is a pricing debate, not necessarily an argument against E20 as a fuel.

Finally, I'd like to ask about fuel pricing philosophy in general.

Which approach do you think is better?

Option 1: Domestic fuel prices closely follow international crude oil prices. Consumers enjoy lower prices when crude falls but also bear the full impact when crude rises.

Option 2: The government collects more revenue when crude prices are low and uses that buffer to reduce the impact of future spikes, resulting in relatively more stable retail prices over time.

Both approaches have trade-offs.

My main question remains the same:

If the central concern is vehicle compatibility, warranty, and consumer protection, then why is so much of the outrage directed at E20 itself instead of the manufacturers, certification process, transition policy, or regulatory implementation?

I'm genuinely interested in hearing counterarguments, but I'd appreciate responses based on engineering, policy, and evidence rather than political labels.

You've heard of the American Dream. Now let me tell you about the Indian Dream.

The Indian dream is to escape India.

Either you escape to the West.

But if you can't?

Escape shitty education with an international school. Escape polluted water with an RO. Escape water shortage with a tanker. Escape poisoned air with a purifier. Escape unsafe cities with gated communities. Escape the heat with an AC. Escape cratered roads with an SUV.

The rich don't use public hospitals. The politician's kid isn't in a government school.

The people who have the potential to bring real change for this country, escape India on a daily basis.

Why would they fix what they never have to touch?

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I am Developer based in Kolkata with an ongoing construction project and i will share how the recent BLANKET BAN on all Private construction has effected one of the largest employing sectors of the state.

On 24th June , our new CM put a blanket ban on all constructions of private real estate properties effective immediately,in and around the city. The effect was spontaneous , i got the first call from the ruling party itself saying not to worry and it will be temporary. But i knew better. I was employing 47 labourers at that point , earning around 1000rs per day. Yes , they are daily wage labourers , coming from all around the state. Their earnings , livelihood , rozi roti - everything ceased.

The Government's reasoning was logical pertaining to the unfortunate collapse of the taratala building , but the reaction was " killing a fly with a nuke ". I panicked. My life's savings invested into this project. A legal guarantee to my clients to deliver them their Homes , where they will spent rest of their lives , within 24 months. On paper its only a One month delay - till 31st july. But auditing 1000s of projects in 30 days is nothing less than impossible. The inspection includes site visits , soil tests , concrete tests , tensile strengths and so much more that are impossible for projects which are near completion. An expert opinion puts it to 6 months at the very least. My whole work , my livelihood , stopped for six months. A legal guarantee to deliver the homes to the families in 24 months seems like a herculean task , beyond which they can sue me for reasons beyond my control.

The thing is , why didnt our cm think of the millions of daily wage labourer , their livelihoods. How will they put food to their children's plates ?

The truth is, while a one-month paper delay sounds clean in a press release, it translates to immediate starvation on the ground. Policy decisions cannot be made in a vacuum. If you pull the plug on an entire sector overnight to save face, you must have a safety net for the thousands who lose their *rosi roti* the very next morning.

PS- I posted this to my city's sub.With the hope reaching more citizens making them aware , i will try posting in various subs.

Frequently i come across left wing vs right wing debates in India and what I feel is that while there is a distinction between left and right wing in our country , we are missing the bigger picture.

Left wing focus on labor welfare, minimum wage etc

Whereas

The right wing focuses on the ease of business, easing up regulations

But what both left and right wing miss in India is integration with the world.

Both left and right wing want India to remain as a cocoon and domestic industries protected via high tariff walls and protectionism. We pursued policies like import substitution which is nonsense.

Contrast that with Chinese and Vietnam, technically communist parties ruled, but much more open in integrating with the world. They are far more open to FDI than India.

The Indian right wing is as inward looking as the Indian left wing. That is the problem.

We want to be autarkic, cut off from the world. We basically distrust the world. We are scared of FTA, though we are now actively concluding FTAs now, but it took an inordinately long time.

And the results are obvious, even countries like Phillipines and Vietnam which have had no IT services sector are able to beat us in per capita income.

Yes, we have a relatively higher ppp per capita, but that is the cost of keeping our economy agriculture and informal sector based for our vast labor pool, except for a tiny labor pool connected to the globe via IT services

What will happen if we open up more to the world is simple, we will have more labor working in export oriented large scale factories brought in via FDI, their wages will rise. This may push up the food prices, but that is not a bad thing as long as wages rise faster than the food prices.

I don't mean that everyone suddenly became rich, but it felt like a lot of middle class families were genuinely improving their lifestyle. More people were buying smartphones, cars, bikes, TVs, ACs, and other technology. It felt like people had more confidence to spend money and things were moving forward.

Ever since 2020, I don't know, it just feels different. I'm not saying India isn't growing anymore because the economy obviously is, but it feels like we've been in this weird phase where things aren't getting noticeably better for the average person. Prices have gone up, salaries don't seem to keep up, and it feels like people are just trying to maintain what they already have instead of moving ahead.

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Generative AI is the specific sub-field that powers tools like ChatGPT, Midjourney, and other LLMs. According to WIPO's 2024 Generative AI Patent Landscape Report, here is how the three countries compare over the last decade:

China ~38,210 GenAI Patents Filed
United States~6,276 GenAI Patents Filed

India~1,350 GenAI Patents Filed

General Artificial Intelligence Patents

China: Granted roughly 183,302 general AI patents in a single year.

United States: Granted roughly 48,197 general AI patents.

India: While India's absolute numbers are much lower than the top two, it consistently ranks in the top 10 globally for AI filings, driven by its massive IT sector and growing startup ecosystem.