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New paper: an AI options trader made 18.3% in 6 months, until researchers let it read the news
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New paper: an AI options trader made 18.3% in 6 months, until researchers let it read the news

Hi, I saw this on arXiv this week (lead author at Carnegie Mellon) and figured this sub would have opinions.

They trained a 27B model to trade options on SPY and 9 big names like NVDA, TSLA and PLTR, the AI only picks the type of trade, like a long straddle, fixed rules pick the strikes, size it and delta hedge, the out-of-sample test ran March to August 2025, so it traded straight through the April tariff mess.

They trained two versions from the same starting point. One could read news and SEC filings, while the other only saw market data like IV vs realized volatility, term structure, skew and option flow.

No news With news
Return +18.3% -2.7%
Max drawdown -9% -31.7%
Win rate 29% 39%
Avg win / avg loss 4.7 1.4

The win rate is what got me; the news version won more often and still lost money. The other one lost on about 70% of its trades and still made 18%, because its winners were almost 5x its losers.

News did help earlier in the pipeline, when they used it to generate training examples from a bigger model. It only hurt once the model kept reading it while learning to trade for profit.

I sell premium and ignore headlines, because by the time news hits my phone it's already in the IV. Full paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2610.10407

Anyone here have a trade where the news gave you an edge the options weren't already pricing?

u/OptionsJive — 4 days ago

Wheel trading - need an opinio

What percent of option traders do YOU think engage in wheel trading ie selling puts? why do you think more people don't do it?

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u/gt-mech58 — 3 days ago
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Fractional options coming in 2026?

Saw this tweet and looks like a new startup is making fractional options a thing again. I read the whole paper and it seems like the team is made up of ex-tradfi people using blockchain for the sake of 24/7 trading, which will be non-custodial.

They directly admit that onchain settlement is the "rails" but does not have to be the interface. Literally pulled from them, "The blockchain has to be the rails. It does not have to be the interface, and we think the two have been confused for most of the history of on-chain trading."

That part stood out to me bc I read a lot of X posts of degen founders running options and crypto options companies and it all sounds like BS. Like dude, no trust. We're not gamblers (not always, anyways!) and no, we do not want to buy your memecoin. I'm a little salty haha.

I have a few questions about their infrastructure, fees, and liquidity - but curious what you guys think. We'll have to watch what happens with the 24/7 trading and how they are going to make crypto's features work seamlessly with existing options traders/people who want to start. I don't want to get too excited and then watch the company stop there, because this actually seems pretty legit. I think there are so many ways we can improve the existing "game" but I feel like 90% of approaches lately are either making AI financial advisory the moat, scamming users, or being too Gen Z/degen/TikTok traders. I hope they keep building because this would mean that people who are usually locked out of options can bring more to the market.

u/TalonWraith25 — 4 days ago

Feast your eyes onto my options gains

Long position at 55 and short at 125. I opened this position in early 2026, added more to it when the orange man invaded Iran, took some profits off the table later, so that’s why the cost basis is so low. My full account is worth $600,000, I started with $78,000 as a roll over from TD Ameritrade in nov 2023, made all that in profits including $130,000 total net withdraws from options trading in the past 3 years. You can leave your question in the comment section about options trading and I’ll answer the best I can.

u/WhyUPoor — 3 days ago

Wheel strategy on GLD

Long-term, Gold seems to be in an uptrend and we all could use a bit of gold in our portfolios.... would you consider the Wheel strategy on GLD given current levels? Are there better ways to get exposure to gold and generate some income from it?

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u/SilkProfit — 4 days ago
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Efficiently Harvesting VRP

I own a diversified portfolio holding equities, fixed income, and liquid alts. I’m looking to add exposure to systematic VRP harvesting.

I’m comparing approaches to implement this. I’m considering a strategy of holding short VIX ETFs (like SVIX) when the VIX term structure is in contamgo, and switching to long VIX ETFs when the curve enters backwardation. This strategy is outlined in a paper by Concretum Group (https://concretumgroup.com/the-volatility-edge-a-dual-approach-for-vix-etns-trading/).

What I like about this approach is it is easy to implement (trade 2 ETFs) and simple to replicate the backtest (VIX, VIX3M, SHORTVOL, and LONGVOL index data is free). Backtested Sharpe ratio is somewhere between 0.8-1.0.

However, I’ve seen other traders design custom processes where they harvest VRP by shorting individual options contracts either via straddles or iron condors. Then they also delta hedge with the underlying. They report far smoother equity curves (example: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MAQBCz9ChkY&ra=m), but going this route seems like a steep learning curve.

Wanted advice from other experienced volatility traders. Is a purely VIX ETF based approach to harvesting VRP a realistic option, or should I delay implementation until I‘ve developed the skills and tech to manage an options portfolio.

u/NecessarySpread2592 — 12 days ago
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Options Trading Practice Game Needs Playtesting

I have developed a completely free trading game to help people make safe trades based on data, learn what different option strategies do, and have a fun game to pass the time. Looking for ways to improve any of those things about my game, so I'd like people who understand trading and markets to see how well it actually prepares you for trading. If you don't feel like you have input to add, then feel free to let me know how fun it is. Again, this is just something for no cost I developed for myself, but if other people enjoy this as well, I would like to make it better. This was made through Claude Code, so it has some obvious issues here and there, but if the concept works well and has a good chance, I would like it to help someone.

https://github.com/TTTrainer/Spread-Trade-Game/releases/tag/v1.6.1

u/TTTrainer3 — 11 days ago
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An intuitive way to price an option

Your option comprises of 2 parts: intrinsic and extrinsic values. Intrinsic value is the per-share difference (difference between underlying price and strike price). Extrinsic contains time-value which is confounded by IV, interest rates, dividends and probabilities. The extrinsic value part is what makes pricing say, a LEAPS contract, very tedious. Perhaps most retail traders ignore it entirely. But you shouldn't, and there is a way to meaningfully set a price target which is fair for you. You don't want to pay more because of the confounding factors.

The easiest way to figure out if your contract is cheap is to work out the borrowing rate of owning the contract. When you buy a deep ITM call instead of shares, you're effectively borrowing the strike price*. The cost of that loan is the time value you pay, plus any dividends you miss from not owning the shares.

Implied borrowing rate ~= (extrinsic value + dividends missed) / strike * (365 / DTE)

Extrinsic value = option price - (stock price - strike)

For example, say SPY is $760, and you are looking at a contract that is 365 DTE and 600 strike. This contract is deep ITM and is priced $188 (i.e. premium is 18,800, I felt like this needed to be said). Let's also assume SPY gives negligible dividends.

Time value = 188 - (760 - 600) = 28

So implied borrowing rate ~= (28 + 0) / 600 * (365 / 365) = 4.6%

What this means is you are borrowing $18,800 @ 4.6% EIR to buy this contract. IBKR's margin loan is roughly 5.4% now since the Fed hiked rates by 25 bps. A short Box Spread can, if you are lucky, give you a 5% EIR - close to the risk-free rate of 4.5-5%. By calculating the implied borrowing rate of the deep ITM LEAPS contract to be 4.6%, we know that the price of that leverage is really cheap.

You can work the math backwards to derive the premium:

Option price ~= (underlying price - strike price) + (strike price * borrowing rate * DTE / 365) - dividends

Note: premium = option price * 100 (I felt like this needed to be said again)

Note that borrowing rate here can be whatever you value to be good. 5% is great in the current market.

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You may also think that OTM contracts are cheaper leverage than ITM contracts, but this may not be true. While you are paying fewer dollars per delta, your contract is also entirely extrinsic value. This means you can get IV crushed very hard and your theta burns much faster than a deep ITM LEAPS. Over the course of a year, that OTM contract premium decays incredibly fast, and therefore it is expensive leverage. So, sticking to deep ITM LEAPS is the way to go.

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* Why are you borrowing the strike price? The person who sold you the call has to hold the shares for you until expiry. They are sitting on that market value for the tenor and should be paid an interest on it. The $28 (see time value example) is exactly what you pay them, per share.

Took me a while to write this. Enjoy.

EDIT: amended the DTE in my equation. thanks u/PapaCharlie9

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u/F2PBTW_YT — 13 days ago

Nike

Nike Q1 FY2027 results came out a couple of days ago, and they are confirming layoffs. Revenues in china plummeted 26%, there overall global revenue dropped 4%. The eps dropped from 1.15 to 1.35 and there 2027 revenue outlook forecasted a high single percentage decline.

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u/Due-Walrus-9072 — 11 days ago

Option to reshape P&L smooth, allowing sizable position to produce profit

Nature of option is to precisely value and control risk. For many strategies, smartly using option structures can reshape your P&L (profit and loss) to be smooth, meaning 1) max loss is limited, 2) no steep loss.

Of course the P&L reshaping has a cost. But this is the key to real profit: a smooth P&L with limited max loss enables you to apply sizable position to produce good profits.

Reason is simple: without limited risk, rational investor will not place a big position, otherwise the account could suffer huge loss if holding long enough. Therefore, many good strategies can only work as "toy strategies".

This also explains the consistency between profit & efficient market theory: your profits are not from mis-priced assets, rather, it's from larger but safer positions.

Actually many successful investors are using this rule (they reshape PL to be smooth but not limited to using options):

* Bridgewater: textbook example of using uncorrelated assets to make smooth PL, then apply leverage. They don't use options because their fund is too large.

* Soros: his book Finance Alchemy recorded his usual portfolio structures: long/short stocks, long/short FXs, long/short interest products, long/short commodities -- overall it produces a smooth P&L allowing him to apply 3x leverage of his fund's capital.

* Cliff Asness (AQR fund): very similar to Bridgewater.

* Buffet: not a typical example but very similar: he finds and holds long-term stable & increasing stocks that are not perfectly smooth but drawdowns are quite limited, then he applied leverage with Insurance Float.

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u/black-blue-ice — 11 days ago

LWLG 5X account by Jan 2029

BLUF: LWLG debit spread 7c/10c Jan 2029 easiest 5x you’ve ever seen.

You may or may not have heard of LWLG, but you have heard of data transfer. What’s the bottleneck? Converting data into light.
LWLG is the solution.
The 400G and beyond switch that all the AI and data centers are salivating for.
It’s pre-revenue but it’s the best solution available (if data centers embrace the technology).
Anyway, would you like to 5x your position?
7c/10c Jan 2029 debit spread cost .50
$250 profit per $50 if the stock hits $10. (5X)
Stock just went up about 12% in the past week. (4.94-5.79)
Stock hit $18.71 in May of 2026 (only 5 months ago)

TLDR: if the stock even hits within 54% of what it was 5 MONTHS AGO between now and January 2029 (over 2 years away) you will 5X the position. The risk/reward is crazy.

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u/OoFrosty88 — 12 days ago