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Leave Luck to Heaven [LitRPG]

Leave Luck to Heaven [LitRPG]

Been gone for a while again, but wanted to post about the new fic by Bavitz (Fargo, Cockatiel X Chameleon) here since he seems to be a little reddit shy. It's a Fire Emblem sorta-fanfic, about the games in a broad scope sense but with an original setting, characters and some concepts. I feel like it'll probably appeal to people who were really into the metafictional aspects of Worth The Candle, and also who like worldbuilding that takes everything to its logical conclusion. (I helped with that a bit.) It's also got some standard progression that I think is done pretty well.

Take a look!

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u/lurinaa — 1 day ago

[D] Monday Request and Recommendation Thread

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u/AutoModerator — 3 days ago

What would a reincarnator be diagnosed with?

Weird hypothetical.

I've read a ton of stories where a baby reincarnated with their adult memories, meditated non-stop, and got super powers.

It's occurred to me the kid who tunes out his surroundings and has no interest in other kids his age could look autistic from the outside. I've even encountered a story flat started to do this. (But it quickly abandoned this idea in favor of a scene by scene imitation of Mushoku Tensei.)

If a Cultivator from Xianxia Land or a low level spider monster from LitRPGville were reincarnated as the baby of someone in your friend circle with his memories and spirit roots intact, what, if anything, would he be diagnosed with? How long would it take mild super strength and super durability to be detected? How long until he became a peewee soccer star? Assume slow prigression... instant omipotence is boring.

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u/EdLincoln6 — 5 days ago

[FF][RST][C] Superman Saves a Squirrel

“You saved a squirrel…” Pa Kent said slowly.

Pa paused the video captured by some clueless bystander who’d kept filming even though a giant lizard was rampaging right next to them.

Light stretched across the Kansas fields. Cows mooed lazily, unconcerned with anything beyond their next mouthful of grass.

Pa Kent stared at the alien creature sitting across from him on an old bench, meeting his smiling face with a kindly smile of his own.

From a distance, they looked ordinary: just a farmer and his son enjoying the morning.

"I tried to raise you right," Pa Kent said. "To care about all living creatures. But in some ways you still don't know what it means to be human."

"Did I do something wrong?" Clark asked.

Pa shook his head. “You did good, mah boy. But everyone makes mistakes."

"What did I do wrong?"

"It's not your fault." Pa said. "There’s just some things I need to teach you about the value of human life.” 

“All life is valuable.” Clark replied. "Superman knows that. That’s who I am. I cherish all life."

"Yes, but some lives are more valuable than others." 

Superman blinked.

“Son,” Pa said carefully, “If you had to choose between saving a squirrel and saving a human, which one would you save?”

“What do you mean?” Clark said. “I’d save them both.”

Pa hesitated.

“But what if you had to choose."

"I don't understand." Clark said.

"Imagine there’s a trolley heading towards five people tied to a track, and you could change the track so the trolley went and hit a squirrel instead. What would you do?”

“I’d fly faster than the trolley and save everyone.”

“But imagine you were watching the scene play out somewhere else on the other side of the planet, somewhere far enough away that you couldn’t get there in time. So you had to choose.”

“I would get there in time.” Clark said. “That's why I saved the squirrel, because the squirrel was right there, and because Superman saves everyone.”

“Son… you can’t save everyone.”

“But… I do save everyone I can! If I have the ability to save someone I save them. That’s what being Superman means."

"Yesterday, that monster killed people." Pa Kent said. "Right now the death toll stands at fourteen hundred and fifty-five. If you’d dealt with the monster immediately, like I know you could have, then…” He sighed. “The problem ain’t your heart. The problem is your head.”

"You're saying people died because of me?" Clark asked.

"Not because of you!" Pa Kent said. "You saved lives. But you could've saved more. The monster rampaged for about three hours. In the seven seconds you spent saving that squirrel, about three people died.”

Pa tapped his phone again, pulling up another clip where Superman was underneath the monster’s foot, holding it up above a yipping dog.

Pa paused the video and handed Clark a sheet of paper filled with calculations and numbers.

“Those 30 seconds you spent saving this dog?" Pa said. "The monster was shooting fire. You let twelve people die."

“I understand.” Superman said quietly. 

“You don't understand. You've been ignoring the people you don't save." Pa said. "Just because you don't see something don't mean it don't happen. You don't understand the concept that bad things can happen to people even if you don't see it happen to 'em." 

"I do understand, Pa." Clark said. "I made a mistake. I'll do better next time."

“And I’m saying you can’t do better,” Pa replied. “Your brain doesn't work like ours does. A six year old would know not to waste time saving a squirrel when people's lives were at risk. That’s what being a hero is. Admitting when you're wrong. Making the hard choices, and making ’em right.”

“But you taught me…” Clark said. “Do you actually hear what you’re saying? That life has some hierarchy where saving 'lesser' beings is stupid? You taught me that every living thing matters. I’m here to protect life, not decide which lives are important enough to deserve saving. Humans are animals too.”

“Clark… people are what matter,” Pa said gently. “Humans value personhood. That’s what makes you a person even though you're not human. You're able to think. That’s what matters. That’s what makes you my son, and it don’t matter where you came from.”

“So you don’t care about squirrels? Or dogs? Just humans? This isn’t like you, Pa.”

Pa stopped.

“That’s not what I’m saying,” he said firmly. “I’m saying you can’t afford to think about squirrels. I know it’s hard. I know you want to save every living thing, and that’s good. But you can’t waste your time like that. In fact, I think it's time we had a talk about that. Look.”

Pa Kent unpaused the video.

A crowd swarmed around the kaiju, pushing closer to where Superman stood, holding up the monster’s raised foot. The crowd surged forward, screaming, some trying to get closer to Superman, some trying to run away.

Then the monster's foot slipped, crushing a massive section of the crowd beneath it.

“I don’t understand,” Superman whispered. “I was… trying to save them.”

“I know, I know, but… sometimes, you help too much,” Pa said. “To you, they're all squirrels. They love you. They crowd around you because they think you’ll protect ’em. They believe in you so much they stop protecting themselves.”

Pa Kent started playing another video of a small boy running into an active war zone, screaming Superman’s name over the sound of gunfire, even as others were running away from the shooting.

The boy was gunned down.

“He needed Superman!” Clark shouted.

“They got no survival instinct when it comes to you.” Pa said.

"But… I would’ve…”

Pa played another clip.

A woman stood on the edge of a rooftop, crying… crying out for Superman. She took a step forward and…

The cameraman rushed to the ledge and zoomed in to the street, capturing the blood on the pavement.

“Dozens a day now,” Pa said softly. “They want to believe someone cares. Anyone. They want to feel like you care about them. They want someone to solve their problems. They've given up on solving  em themselves. It's getting to the point, sad to say, you're doing more harm than good, not through any fault of ya own. They’ve stopped trying to solve their own problems. They want you to fix everything.”

“Why are you showing me this?” Clark asked. 

“Because you're an alien." Pa Kent said. "You don't understand how us humans work. I hate to say it, Son, but this is the way people react when they’ve got someone to pray to who might actually answer… and at this point… you’re doing more harm than good. You need to stop helping. You need to teach people you won't help them at all, so they can think for themselves.”

"But..."

"And that's not including the supervillains." Pa said. "They see something good and they want to destroy it. You created that monster, through no fault of your own. Just because you care and there are bad people who hate that."

“But then why do anything?”

“Son, I know this is gonna be hard to hear, but every word I’m saying right now comes from love." Pa Kent said. "If I push you, it’s only because I want you to grow up strong and steady, able to weather whatever this world throws at you. It’s not for a parent to tell their child who they should be, but… these supervillains wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for you.”

“No,” Superman said. “I stop the bad people.”

“The good people need to realize that it’s up to them to stop the bad people.” Pa said. "You need to stop, at least until we figure out how to use you without making everyone dependent on you.”

"That's what you think?" Clark said, tears welling up in his eyes. "I should just stop helping?"

Pa nodded.

“Fine then." Clark said. "I’m done.”

Superman vanished into the sky.

Silence, but for the mooing of cows.

Ma Kent stepped outside, placed a hand on Pa’s shoulder, and handed him a second phone.

“Well done.” Lex Luthor said on the other .

“Off to a good start.” Pa said.

“So I saw,” Lex replied. “And to think… my first idea was to clone him.”

u/ShinyMcGuffin — 5 days ago

Why is Worm considered one of the goats of rational fiction?

I read to the Leviathan attack two years ago before dropping it.

Nothing really stood out as "wow this character is actually smart or even really thinking things through"

It was a pretty egnaging story but the fact I am having a hard time recalling much of it kind of tells me nothing really stood out. But its constantly recommended here along side HPMOR which is something thats unforgettable.

Is it just because its very popular? Is any non stupid MC considered rational fiction? (I also dont get why MOL and Super Supportive are rational)

Im asking this in good faith, i actually could have forgotten plot points from Worm that genuinely showcased some rational thinking. If so feel free to bring up the plot points (jog my memory)

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u/Bascilian — 9 days ago

You're Absolutely Right

People here might enjoy my short fiction You're Absolutely Right (https://linch.substack.com/p/youre-absolutely-right), an epistolary dark comedy/science-fiction horror story about corporate incentives and motivated reasoning at an imagined frontier AI lab. 

In some ways I think of it as "anti-rational" fiction[1], in that it has coherent worldbuilding and intelligent characters who "solve problems through creative applications of their knowledge and resources" but there's also a lot of mental moves/cognitive effort devoted to not noticing the consequences of their actions, and dead space caused via omissions of attention and what's carefully not said.

[1] As an analogy to memetics/antimemetics

u/OpenAsteroidImapct — 6 days ago

[D] Monday Request and Recommendation Thread

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u/AutoModerator — 10 days ago

[RT][C] "Fall" (2022 Film): When two best friends who climb a 2,000-foot-tall television broadcasting tower become stranded at the top, it is up to them to think of a way out.

Holy shit.

When I put on Fall this afternoon, I was expecting another random Netflix movie; low-budget, second screen dialogue, ham-fisted politics, etc. But it was about to leave the platform, and I've always been a sucker for stories about characters trapped in a survival situation, so I decided to give it a chance. I was not expecting... this.

The movie begins with a trio of adrenaline junkies climbing a cliff. They consist of married couple Dan and Becky and their friend Hunter. Unfortunately, Dan has an accident and falls to his death. A year later, Becky is an alcoholic mess, still unable to deal with Dan's passing. Hunter, who has since become a YouTuber, persuades Becky to climb an abandoned television tower with her and spread Dan's ashes as a way of moving on. Inevitably, things go wrong, and the girls get stuck on top of the antenna. It is now up to them to find a way out before they succumb to thirst, hunger, exposure, wildlife, or simply fall off the edge.

Okay, so right off the bat I was impressed by the way the girls reacted to their predicament like level 1 intelligent characters. They remain calm, or at least as calm as they can realistically be under the circumstances, and they keep looking for ways out. They don't break down crying or get into emotional fights or throw down precious resources in a fit of rage to create a dramatic moment. This already makes them better than most Hollywood movies.

But what made me post this on r/rational proper instead of the Monday Recommendation Thread is when the characters started solving problems with previously foreshadowed materials and mechanics. Not just things that were mentioned once briefly, but things that were mentioned over and over again or were given prominent focus. For example, Hunter's push-up bra is brought up early, and her huge tits take up a lot of screen time, but it is not just fanservice; >!the same bra is used to stuff the shoe on the first attempt to throw a phone down the tower!<. Likewise, I literally said "of course!" when >!they used the lifehack to charge up the drone off of the same lightbulb that had been flashing for half the movie!<. These characters are not just level 1 intelligent; they are level 2 intelligent.

On top of that, they are fucking awesome. Hunter is great from the beginning, encouraging Becky to get out of her funk and doing crazy stunts like hanging off from the tower's platform one-handed. Once things get serious, she is the one doing risky maneuvers to increase their chances of survival, like >!climbing down on a rope to try to get reception for Becky's phone!<. Becky takes a little longer to grow into her power, since she starts out the movie as a grieving widow, but by the end of the story she's got her mojo back; she displays creativity worthy of Harry James Potter-Evans-Verres and a will to live that would make Carissa Sevar proud. >!Playing dead to lure a vulture so she can fucking eat it!< was goddamn beautiful, as was >!cushioning her phone in Hunter's body to make sure it survives the fall!<.

And then there is all the other things. The dialogue is very strong, naturalistic and witty; no second screen here. The girls had great chemistry, to the point where I kept wondering if they were going to lez out. The background shots are gorgeous, with luscious visuals from 2000 feet in the air. The film has a great sense of tension; it's basically r/SweatyPalms: The Movie. And the music was just right, from the diegetic cellphone videos to the credit sequence.

Flaws? The twist that >!Hunter died halfway through and Becky has been hallucinating her ever since!< is just stupid and the movie would have been much better off without it. And the bit where the ladder falls looks fake AF. Other than that, everything was great.

TL;DR: This movie is fucking awesome and you should watch it immediately before it leaves Netflix.

u/erwgv3g34 — 10 days ago

[D] Friday Open Thread

Welcome to the Friday Open Thread! Is there something that you want to talk about with /r/rational, but which isn't rational fiction, or doesn't otherwise belong as a top-level post? This is the place to post it. The idea is that while reddit is a large place, with lots of special little niches, sometimes you just want to talk with a certain group of people about certain sorts of things that aren't related to why you're all here. It's totally understandable that you might want to talk about Japanese game shows with /r/rational instead of going over to /r/japanesegameshows, but it's hopefully also understandable that this isn't really the place for that sort of thing.

So do you want to talk about how your life has been going? Non-rational and/or non-fictional stuff you've been reading? The recent album from your favourite German pop singer? The politics of Southern India? Different ways to plot meteorological data? The cost of living in Portugal? Corner cases for siteswap notation? All these things and more could (possibly) be found in the comments below!

Please note that this thread has been merged with the Monday General Rationality Thread.

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u/AutoModerator — 13 days ago