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Tying Ahsoka Season 2 With the Sequels and Post Sequel Storyline

I’m going to attempt to elaborate on how these plot threads are both retconning the Sequels (I mean that in a positive sense of providing added context) and setting up the post Sequel storyline.

Baylan’s aim:
The Ahsoka Season 2 trailer seems to normalize the idea of fallen Jedi inasmuch not all Jedi who fall become Sith. I would guess the Jedi that Ahsoka and Anakin face in the forest is another fallen Jedi doing something sinister at the behest of Count Dooku like Quinlan Voss and Pong Krell. This sets up Baylan’s motivations as a corrupt Jedi where Anakin mentions Baylan claimed knowledge of a power that could end wars. It’s assumed that Anakin and Baylan simply knew each other as Jedi but the question is how? My suspicion is that they knew each other as mutual friends of one Chancellor Palpatine. Baylan would have never mentioned such delusions of grandeur in front of the council but would have confided in Anakin and especially Palpatine. If Baylan claimed to have knowledge of this power than how much more would Palpatine have already been aware of such power and coveted it. In the Aftermath novels, it is confirmed Palpatine was in search of this power beyond the known regions of the galaxy that he believed was the source of his power. Therefore whatever Baylan is searching for and whatever Palpatine would still be searching for is the same thing. What is this thing? Abeloth is an interesting theory nevertheless narratively she would weaken Palpatine’s role as the big bad of this time period which narratively needs to be strengthened and reinforced. We also don’t really have evidence of her existence in canon. I think the simpler answer that the Acolyte sets up is that the power Baylan and Palpatine are after is a vergeance with the power of eternal life. This vergeance is connected both with the power of the Mortis gods and the Force Dyad. Therefore, Palpatine is using Baylan to grant him access to this power.

Regarding Thrawn’s war we know from Mandalorian Season 3 that Palpatine is using Thrawn to distract the New Republic from Brendol Hux’s Project Necromancer. I wrote in another post titled “Supreme Leader Hux: The Fulfillment of Project Necromancer” that Brendol’s son Armitage is the successful clone of Palpatine that Brendol is hiding and abusing to strengthen his connection to both the darkside and his other daddy Sheev. In this view, Armitage was no mere simple General but was the hidden Sith Lord playing both sides of the First Order-Resistance War so he can rise to power in the events of the post-Sequel stories. Nevertheless, in the context of this story Thrawn creates chaos, feeds the military industrial complex, and force the New Republic to compromise on democratic norms while Brendol creates what will become the First Order and grooms his son to lead it.

So on Peridea we get the spiritual while in the known galaxy we see the political. We also see as in both canon and legends that Palpatine is willing to use corrupted Jedi, not just Sith apprentices to meet his goals. He’s using Baylan to gain access to that sweet sweet unlimited power while he is using Thrawn to ensure that his precious baby boy grows up outside the watchful eye of the New Republic. Once again Palpatine is using chaos and a wide variety of servants to return to power with a new empire more vile than the last. Ahsoka Season 2 is also normalizing the idea of non Sith fallen Jedi being servants of the Sith. This is not new lore but often overlooked in the context of the lore. This sets up the conflict for the post Sequel trilogy’s “Protestant reformation in space” as Damon Lindelof put it normalizing the idea that not all Jedi are good and many will work for the Sith for their own ambition. Ahsoka Season 2 is reinforcing that the New Republic is a weak government that can’t keep healthy levels of order and failed to completely dismantle Imperial institutions which will allow the First Order to rise to destabilize it. Though the First Order’s coup ultimately failed history teaches us that fascist coups are usually just the beginning not the end of a fascist movement. Governments with weak democratic institutions like the New Republic often become increasingly authoritarian to compensate and after a near death experience like the Hosnian Cataclysm I’d expect them to return from their hiatus as a police state that will rise in the power vacuum. History also teaches us to never underestimate fascist politicians like Armitage Hux who seem ridiculous and powerless on the surface but beneath the surface are the devil incarnate. I wouldn’t presume that he died in TROS with his body not shown to be dead like Snoke’s and I am of the opinion that he is a Sith that will rise to power like his father before him.

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u/Alhbaz98 — 3 days ago

Oola isn’t dead

I have had a Wild Idea for a Long Time about Oola from Jabba’s Palace still being alive.

I find these three things interesting and each of them gets me to wondering could it be True.

Oola is thrown into the Rancors pit but when the gate opens we don’t see the Rancor only hear it as she grits her teeth so that to me is strange on itself but it gets to be even more likely as I go on You will see why Oola may still be alive.

Next we see Mara Jade disguised a Arica is not to be seen anywhere which means She could have helped Oola escape and that growl we heard could be the Rancor being pampered by the Rancor Keeper as Mara Jade or even Luke could have easily opened the gate blocking Oola from escaping and thus Oola could still be alive.

Anyway I think this Theory has a lot of merit who’s to say the Rancor keeper couldn’t have helped rescue her himself even.

I think this Idea could be an awesome possibility but what do You guys think?

Also the Scene was added later by George but it is always possible Luke did warn her but maybe Luke saved her or Mara Jade they both have the Force and could rescue her like a damsel in distress. I still think She’s alive to this day and it could be Theorised that it’s True maybe one day a Fan Film about it can be released if nothing else.

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u/Worth_Place_7430 — 3 days ago

Kade Auberon is Cade

Of course, not the accurate Cade from 130 years ABY, and I know they did steal EU names before because they have zero creativity, but they could use any name they want, and yet they chose the name Kade and I think changing one letter isn't a coincidence and considering the description of him say something like "he's a rogue pilot with a mysterious past" I 100% believe they gonna pull some trick like he renegade from his family and name (probably Luke's son) for some reason and that's why he isn't in the sequels, also we can assume he somehow renegade already from The New Republic for what it's shown in the teaser.

Also, they're putting A LOT of emphasis on Starfighter having no connections to the saga, I think it's a strong red herring

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u/damnrouz — 4 days ago
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The guy on the right…

White head, red robe, and robotic attachment covering mouth? No way they resurrected him, right? I don’t think it’s likely and this would be sort of a random way to do TOR content but it looks too close for me to not speculate

u/criosovereign — 5 days ago

Does Empire still exists within the Core Worlds

In the new Ahsoka II trailer, Thrawn addresses the "citizens of the glorious Empire." Could this be a sign that the Empire still exists within the Core Worlds?

Explanation: After Palpatine's death, Mas Amedda ruled as the "Glorious Leader of the Empire." In this capacity, he signed the Galactic Concordance, which allowed him to govern an Inner systems' Imperial remnant. However, the worlds under his rule were permitted to join the New Republic, rendering his administration obsolete over time.

Do you think Mas Amedda's government still exists? Will the New Republic attempt to use Mas Amedda as a propaganda puppet?

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u/Dark_lord_Oka — 5 days ago

Did Obi wan's message after Order 66 explain where Ahsoka, Ezra, Cal, and the others are?

"Do not return to the Temple. That time has passed."

I just had this thought. Everybody's trying to come up with all kinds of explanations for where the non Skywalker-related Jedi are in the sequel trilogy and whether or not they were killed in the knights of ren's attack on Luke's Academy and all of that, and I think the explanation has been staring us in the face the entire time: the other surviving Jedi just fundamentally disagree with the idea of trying to rebuild the formalized Jedi Order in the first place.

Ahsoka walked away from the Jedi Order, and has a very complicated relationship with whether or not to call herself a jedi. Ezra was trained entirely informally by someone who never completed their training, and unlike Luke he never had any kind of expectation that he had any kind of special destiny to fulfill. Cal was give in the opportunity to rebuild the order in Jedi: Fallen Order and was then given a vision of what would happen if he did, which was that the inquisitors would do Knightfall 2.0.

Then you have Rey's story, which is pretty much entirely about walking away from the legacy of the formalized Jedi Order. I'm willing to bet that she goes about things completely differently from how Luke does, doing the whole knight errant thing and trading apprentices along the way, the same as the other survivors do, and if any kind of institution or Temple arises from that, it does so organically, not because someone is trying to rebuild the pre-order 66 Jedi Order.

Because contrary to what Benioff and Weiss said, themes do matter and they're not just for 8th grade book reports.

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u/PrincipledStarfish — 5 days ago

Is space empty in their galaxy?

Ok I think I'm ready to ask this without sounding insane. I'm on a rewatch of clone wars/rebels/etc. and I think I'm coming to the theory that space may not be an absolute vaccum there in that galaxy like it is in ours. Like there may be a very thin atmosphere in space in that galaxy

\- There are definitely space scenes where the characters react to the sound of another ship or other space borne action.

\- Even ships never intended for atmospheric travel still seem to be aerodynamic.

\- There are instances where they talk about venting heat, which you cannot do in empty space, heat transfers through a medium.

\- People exposed to space seem to survive significantly longer than expected.

\- SIGNIFICANTLY less equipment is needed to space walk I.e. clone armor or in the case of the crew on the asteroid in Empire Strikes Back just breathers which suggests there was no need for pressure suits

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u/rat4204 — 13 days ago