r/supportlol

I really enjoy playing around with different builds, runes etc and it bugs me how I dont get any freedom in starting items until the support item gets fully upgraded, and even then I'd like to see more options

It would be nice to have multiple support item choices that all offer different stats from the get-go. Why should celestial opposition offer the exact same base stats as Bloodsong with the only difference being a passive?

Don't get me wrong I like the choice we have now that didnt exist at all before, but Im dying for some first item choices here

What changed in this current season, so almost every champion can be played Bot lane?

I am witnessing the era of 'pick whatever the fuck you want' in this lane by both roles ADC and Support. I am seriously talking about Diamond elo, which I am playing in. It is very interesting, because at the start of the year everything seemed traditional.

I played Support from time to time and mostly played Nami, Braum and Nautilus from time to time, until I saw people picking whatever they want. Tanks as ADCs, Mages as ADCs, Support fighters, Support Battle Mages and so on. I just started experimenting with Sett and Camille Support and it's straight up better than any other classical Support champion unless maybe Challenger elo.

I play Sett and go lvl 1 fight to death or just lvl 2 flash + all in with 90% wasted summoner spells or kill. I can choose to appear Top lane as Camille during the first wave and objectively make the enemy Top laner not existing for the first 15 minutes. It's strange, because catchup XP is so much to the point where my Mage ADC is level 7 and I am level 4 roaming around the map, while both bot laners are level 6. The exact moment I return on my lane I am level 6 in the next minute and I find absolutely no point of sitting bot, but be second Jungler without responsibilities for anything.

I created methodology for myself for winning games - Alert my bot laner that he isn't seeing me after level 3 unless we kill them on respawn everytime they come bot. If he is smart, he picks a Mage and I am creating so much chaos to the point enemy reports me for 'sabotaging' my team. This strat doesn't work everytime and I am aware, but I am no longer playing Nami until this is fixed and taken care off.

What are your thoughts on that topic ?

I tried to play support with full focus for the first time in low master/high diamond lobby. The list below are the things I tried to keep multitasking during the game.

• Track flash timers (should've track tp as well but too much for me)
• Track enemy jungle and support and ping constantly to alert teammates
• Check tab constantly; track enemy support wards, items like mercs, zhonya's etc. especially when playing engage supports
• Check wave states. Roam to gank or invade/counter-jungle with my jungler
• Finish role quest asap
• Vision control and base timing
• Numbers advantage/disadvantage

First game - Rell vs Camille: warded top level 1 and backed to bot. Basically I just kept tracking enemy jungle and support, spammed ping solo laners and warded river as much as I can. I tried to get as much xp by staying in fog of war at bot river before level 5. I was level 9 while Camille was level 5 at the end of the game.

Second game - Lulu vs Zyra: very chill overall as an enchanter, tough laning phase but we outscaled anyway.

I feel like the hate towards support player is rising for unknown reasons. Personally I think playing the role correctly needs an absurd amount of brain power. I would say support has low skill floor to win a solo queue game, but the skill ceiling is extremely high if you want to play well like KR challengers or even pros.

Edit: Let me add a little more. This post is not meant to compare support to other roles. What I mean is that if you can remind yourselves constantly about stuff I mentioned above, you actually help your team a lot so they can focus on laning and csing. League is a team game. Support and jungle should think about their macro at any time.

I was watching some high elo rell gameplay on YouTube and found this(https://www.youtube.com/live/b7k4iHD32Yk?t=7768&si=YTtm0xpnTyA4iGsj). Viktor and Rell didn’t aware of enemy jungle at 3:00 so both died. Everyone at that elo should know the timing for early ganks, but how many of them can actually think it through and react to it correctly?

If support can constantly apply the game theory you found on internet, a lot of bad things could have been avoided.

Climbed from plat and just wanted to flex on y´all cus i was told that climb as support and even more as renata under d3 isn´t worth it .

I feel my ego and pride growing

I'm an ADC player who's trying to climb to Master, and recently I've noticed that supports seem to be much worse than they were a few months ago in the same elo.

I want to know if this is just my feeling or if it's actually something that's happening. I have to clarify that this isn't a flame post; I genuinely just want to know if other people have noticed the same thing.

Please try to be respectful in the comments, not just towards me, but towards others as well

Thanks!

I know the basic rules of roaming kinda like after we push a wave in to their enemy tower but how do I deal with a enemy support that’s constantly roaming like I was told I needed to match their roams but how do I do that if I don’t know where they are? The enemy support would constantly be around mid lane ganking my immobile mid even if my bot lane was pushed in should I not be with my adc during that time cuz I thought u needed to be with them incase a dive happens and also to soak exp but not sure, any tips please?

Hello,

I was recently looking at lolalytics, reviewing builds for a lot of champs, and almost every champ had boots of swiftness as their highest winrate boots, at least looking at Emerald+ (I am masters myself) I understand that we are overall in a roaming meta, even if the patch nerfed it a bit, and sometimes find the boots useful myself, but if the team as 3 AD damage champs I almost always get tabis, if they have 2+ MR and are CC heavy I prioritize tabis, and depending on champ will get boots of Lucidity fairly often.

Thresh +.6% over next - (I think they feel great on him) https://lolalytics.com/lol/thresh/build/

Senna +.5% - https://lolalytics.com/lol/senna/build/

Seraphine -.5% https://lolalytics.com/lol/seraphine/build/

Rell +1.9% https://lolalytics.com/lol/rell/build/

Naut +2.4 % https://lolalytics.com/lol/nautilus/build/

Lulu +1.9% https://lolalytics.com/lol/lulu/build/

Nami +1.8% https://lolalytics.com/lol/nami/build/

Leona Lucidity (small sample size) and Swifties outperform the tankier boots by 3% https://lolalytics.com/lol/leona/build/

Karma, who I think benifits from CDR More than any other support, still had swifties outperform lucidity by .3% https://lolalytics.com/lol/karma/build/

The one way I'd say the data might be slightly skewed is the fact that you bought switfties means you had to recall with 700 gold, and the enemy bot wasn't incredibly fed early in order for you to want to prioritize steelcaps/merc treads. Those boots benefit from there own skew in some ways too though.

Figured I'd ask here to see if there are any swifties enthusiasts, or just get the thoughts of others! What do y'all think? should swifties be picked more on a lot of champs/ be the 'default' boots for supports?

Title is pretty self explanatory and i have no idea what to put here so there is absolutely no need to read anything in the body text.

I’m a Masters Pantheon OTP who has recently (as of the last few months) started playing support almost exclusively. I currently play Pantheon every game and when it’s banned or picked I lock in Zilean. I’ve historically played Galio support but I’d like to expand my champ pool further. I’m not particularly comfortable with ranged AA based champions but otherwise I’m very flexible and open to anything but I’d love any champs I play to have enough agency to impact the game state without relying on my adc.

Context - Was sent this vod for review. The Thresh sits afk in bot bush and dies level one after the Karthus has backed out of the trade. After spawn Thresh goes straight top and griefs his top laner, taxing all his exp until the Kennen is down a level. Once the Kennen starts losing fights he then goes mix and starts farming mid way and stays mid for the literal full 29 minutes of the game. He NEVER goes bot. Not a SINGLE FUCKING TIME.

I just reached my 2-year mark of playing this game, and roaming support meta has caused me to have an identity crisis and burnout.

For context, I’m an Emerald elo player but I often play with friends in the Diamond-GM MMR. Enchanter main but over months have learnt other alternatives for options. And this roaming meta has made my question my entire League identity as a support.

The past two years I’ve been learning this game and memorizing basic concepts of the hame— laning mechanics, vision, wave control etc, and while I’m still struggling, I’m enjoying it, because I love playing enchanters.

And then this meta rolls in and suddenly Level 1 Camille jungle invades or support Poppy toplane ganks occur. And everything about early game that I’ve spent 2 years drilling into my brain is fundamentally destroyed. No more applications of wave control and lane harassment, sometimes defending jungle or counterganking mid, because it’s 24/7 running to wherever the other support is to try to perform damage control.

Playing support is no longer fun, because every advantage that an enemy roaming support gets, we lose because it’s my fault that I also don’t match the level of plays. And the game crumbles because I’m not good enough to adapt to the new meta. My choices for this are now:

1. Also roam as a support to try and countergank by mind-reading where my enemy support/jungle will be (which I’m currently not experienced enough to do)
2. Pressure the botlane and attempt to get an advantage for my botlaner (mage lane making this near impossible, especially for non-interactive mages like Ziggs)
3. Pick a roaming support and join the bandwagon by invading everyone’s lanes and personal space. (I can technically do this but I’m not having fun as a support anymore)

Support has now become a second jungler and I don’t know how to play the role anymore. And I’m not good enough to figure out how.

My current solution for solo/duo is to… drumroll… queue as Jungle and play Ivern so I have the Enchant-At-Home enjoyment of the game while still being decent at the game.

But I love support. I love playing Milio and Soraka and Nami and be able to just be happy knowing I can defend my friends and enable them to make plays. Now in this meta I feel like a bystander watching the enemy Camille burn the world down and then I become the reason why my team loses. I don’t want to be a lower elo burden for my friends. At this point I might just go for Yuumi and pray my passive kit gives a better advantage to my ADC that the enemy support does elsewhere

Help.

I'm an adc player and over the years of playing this game I've watched this role genuinely turn to shit

The players here went from selfless heroes ready to be the conductor of the team even if it goes underappreciated to whiny permaroaming ego infested crybabies that think they know everything

And this wouldn't have had much impact before but Support is arguably the best role in soloq right now, it holds so much power and it can make SUCH a huge difference. I'm playing games (Emerald elo because im decently washed at the game) where I'm basically playing 1v2 the whole lane and getting flamed simultaneously by some elo inflated pissbaby that grinded out their broken little role and reached an elo they never would on any role that wasn't this impactful and braindead

For the record i'm not degrading supports, I think there are still great support players and I don't think the role being broken makes them obsolete but dear GOD I'm tired of seeing shitters on Senna, Camille and other piece of shit champions abusing the role and giving both your team and the enemy team aids, I want ACTUAL support players people who actually had passion and had fun playing SUPPORT even when the role was weak as shit and nobody wanted to play it.

Like the title said. How do you guys cope with it? I don't want to rant or cry. I just wanna see how my fellow support players treat the fact, that people look down on us.

I really enjoy playing champions that don't "belong" in the support category, but end up working like a charm. I have played a lot of Teemo support with success, and I also even used to play as a second jungler when you could equip smite. What are some other really good off meta options, or gimmicky champions that are really fun to play?

I prefer to play tanks in the support role. Such as blitzcrank, tahm kench, Rell. I am very comfortable in my ability to win lane.

Ending games on the other hand is a total coin flip. I like my champion pool, but find I have no agency to end the actual game and have to rely wholly on team mates. The longer the game goes the weaker I get and eventually it becomes outside of my control.

Looking for suggestions on champs that take a winning position and snowball it into a victory, or support champs that can carry in end game fights.

Third time I play support and 3rd time I have mentally ill ADC Viktor who goes to top lane after minute 3

Like, Viktor isn't even a good APC - he can't shave the wave, poke or burst enemy adc? Is it just sign to dodge if i see Viktor adc?