Grown man here, not too grown actually, I'm 23. I'm someone who never cries, like never (at least by watching movies and tv shows). Well I've watched this episode (Jack's mother death) and was entertained but I wasn't actually that invested, then the scene where the mother makes kid Jack eat the wurstel arrived, then Jack cried. Then I fucking cried.

I've never met my father because he died after I was born. I've never suffered too much the fact that I haven't had a father in my childhood but my mother obviously was destroyed by his death and it's been a thing for a lot of time. I remember seeing her in bed crying for no reason, I've seen her depressed... I couldn't understand it back in the day but she has been suffering in silence since his death. I remember all of this but I also can't forget how much she tried her best with me, when she cooked my favorite dishes, when she played football with me etc. My brain clicked and I realized Marylin and my mother are just two women who tried their best to make their child happy while they were deeply suffering inside. To this day, like Jack, I haven't the best relationship with my mother because the death of my father made her a difficult person to deal with...but this episode made me feel some sense of guilt other than love.

This show is powerful, hats off to the writers and to Milo Ventimiglia, that was an incredible performance. This is what art is about.

Just finished season 3 and i absolutely loved the R& B episode and the relationship between Randall and Beth. Yes, it's not ideal but I felt that the writers trully conveyed modern couple problems, the actors have a really good chemistry too. I also enjoyed that the season had subjects relatable to many people: decision to have a child, hardships of getting a job, figuring out what you want to do in life once you reach a certain age, pregnancy, having a premature baby.

What i didn't enjoy this season was the war scenes, i just felt they were missing some depth.

It really bugs me how every member of the Pearson family backs up their sibling/parent’s actions even if their sibling or parent is totally in the wrong. The only time they don’t do that is if one of them is attacking them personally. Like for example, I just watched a scene where Kate and Toby are yelling at each other and Kevin is just standing there watching the whole time. Kate basically gets mad at Toby for yelling at her after she just yelled at him and Kevin is completely silent the entire time Kate is yelling at Toby, but the second Toby slightly raises his voice to Kate, Kevin steps up and says something and supports Kate even though Toby was literally just matching her energy. There was also another scene I watched a while back where Kate was ragging on Randall for essentially always choosing Beth and his children over the Pearson clan and I mean uh yeah? That’s what you’re supposed to do when you’re a grown man who’s married and has three children. You always choose your wife over your sister, I don’t even know why that needs to be said. I also hate how whenever one of the Pearsons has an argument with their spouse/partner, their family member always gets involved in it (typically either Rebecca or Kevin). Like seriously not everything has to be interrupted by your mother and your brother, arguments between a wife/husband should only be discussed between the wife and the husband. A mother shouldn’t have to step in there and willingly become involved unless they are asked to.

I don’t care if this is controversial. It’s super fucking annoying, especially in the later seasons. Kate’s victim mentality is the most pathetic thing in the entire show. In the beginning, Kate seemed motivated to lose the weight and I was honestly actually pissed off at Toby for being an influence that caused her to backslide and go back to binge eating. But there was one point in season 2 (or maybe 3) where Kate was working out and eating really healthy while also being in a relationship and living with Toby and I think she even mentioned that she lost 14 pounds or something like that. And then she got pregnant and lost the baby and all that and then I guess nothing happened after that for her weight-wise. And don’t get me wrong, I can totally understand why Kate would go back to binge eating and being unhealthy after losing her baby because that is an extremely traumatic situation. But she also has to be aware of her own addiction and her own choices and not slam other people for bettering themselves.

I HATED when she got furious with Toby after she found out he was going to the gym. And don’t say it’s because Toby lied to her because she genuinely didn’t seem to give a shit that he lied to her, she was mainly pissed off that he was kinda jacked now and she was still fat. And I’m sorry but whose fault is that? Kate could have (and should have) gone to therapy and actually implemented ideas in her support group to help herself instead of just going there to have bonding time with Toby and be a bitch to Madison. And then when Toby is honest with her about why he is working out all the time, Kate takes it as a personal attack on her of course (Toby tells Kate that he had a heart attack at a young age and he doesn’t want to drop dead when Jack is a child and Kate basically makes it seem like Toby is implying that SHE’S going to drop dead instead like come on girl, not everything is about you and your weight).

And then for the rest of the show she just complains and complains about how she can’t do certain things because of her weight while also not even bothering to make an effort to lose the weight. And it’s not even that she can’t do it because she was doing pretty well before she got pregnant and lost the baby. It’s just really damn annoying to watch her bitch about her problems while never taking any actions to solve her problems (it kind of goes like that for all three of the kids tbh)

just finished the show and i can’t believe people defend and like toby… he was awful towards the later seasons to everyone including kate

It’s been a few years and I decided to rewatch. My first time watching, I LOVED Toby. I just rewatched first episode of season one & I absolutely can’t stand him. Maybe I’m just a different person now or maybe I was blind the first time I watched. Feels similar to looking back on someone you loved & seeing all the red flags 😅

I know many will say they met at the suit shop, but I've watched the entire series three times and I'm not sure. In the episode, Miguel says he could have called him when he came back from Vietnam, so it seems like they already know each other! Could someone please clarify this issue for me?

Ugh I despise Beth’s mom. So she tells Beth that her father has cancer and when Beth starts tearing up, her mom’s first reaction is “wipe your damn tears and help me clear the table.” Like seriously? That’s not how you create strong kids, that’s how you create grieving kids who feel like they have to pretend to be strong and bury their real feelings so that they don’t disappoint their mother. Then, when her mom finds out that she got laid off from her job, her first reaction is selfish and all about herself, all she says is “ugh oh my god I can’t believe you’ve been lying to me for months.” Of course she doesn’t actually ask Beth how she’s feeling or what she’s going to do or anything like that. What a despicable woman.

I'm rewatching the show and Kevin and Randall's relationship is just as intriguing to me as it was the first time and I've been thinking a lot about how divided the audience can be and I think the reason for the divide comes down to the fact that Kevin and Randall's positions are flipped in adulthood vs childhood.

When they were younger, Randall struggled a lot (for obvious reasons) and, while Kevin had his struggles too, Randall clearly has it worse. However due to Kevin feeling overlooked by his parents, he's often deliberately mean to Randall. When they're younger, Kevin is clearly in the wrong.

However in adulthood, the roles reverse. Kevin struggles a bit more than Randall, especially with his addiction and, while I don't think Randall treats Kevin with resentment, it is very clear at certain points that he considers himself to be better than Kevin and he says/does things that are very hurtful.

When they're adults, there's the added layer of complexity from knowing that Randall would probably be kinder to Kevin if Kevin had been kinder to him when they were kids. However, I'd argue there's a similar level of complexity during their childhood when we acknowledge that Kevin didn't really know what he was doing and might not have been so mean if his parents took the time to make sure he truly understood why Randall needed different treatment sometimes.

So on one hand we have a character being intentionally cruel as a child and on the other hand we have a character who ends up being unintentionally cruel as an adult. Naturally the audience will try to make one 'right' and the other 'wrong' but in my honest opinion there is no real victim between them. They're just brothers and they hurt each other and it's a shame to me that people focus on their wrongdoings rather than their good moments, because the moments where they are there for each other are so beautiful.

I am just about finished Season 2. She is practically a Pearson since late teenage.
Kind of annoyed she was not missed or fondly remembered to at least be sent a courteous invitation card. Probably one flaw in this season.

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Wow, i just finished all 6 seasons. It was a beautiful Show. I have a few questions/ things to discuss.

1. Rebeccas Love of her Life was miguel not Jack. He grew Old with Miguel and he supports her in every secound.

2. which couple is your favourite? I love Beth and Rendall.

3. i am so interested what all the Kids will make in the Future

Absolutely felt very random and unconnected to overall story. Number two I think I don’t see Randall in politics given his anxiety and I don’t see it at all. Also it revealed a side of Randall with the voicemail scene that felt very awkward.

Side note would’ve loved a Beth Randall scene were they get intimate. We see this with Kate and Toby kissing making out.

I’m rewatching this whole show after not seeing it in a hot minute and I’m currently on season 2, I just watched the episode where Kate had her first singing gig and Toby and Rebecca came to watch. After it was over, Rebecca complimented Kate on how well she sang and Kate decided to go on a huge “poor me” pity party rant about how Rebecca was only saying all that because “she feels sorry for her.” I mean genuinely, what is Kate’s problem 😭 I’m sorry but she needs to shut the fuck up sometimes. Rebecca isn’t perfect, but I think that for the most part, she was a really great mom. She genuinely loved all of her kids and she tried to be as supportive as possible towards Kate while Kate was growing up, but the only thing Kate thought about was “ugh my mom is so skinny and she sings better than me and I’m so fat, I hate her.” How is that Rebecca’s fault? She did her best to not make Kate feel like she was ugly or inferior to her, and yet Kate still does. It’s not Rebecca’s fault that she’s conventionally attractive and skinny. Kate has this annoying victim mentality throughout the entire run of the show and it just really gets annoying after a while. If she wanted to be skinny like Rebecca, then she should have stopped blaming Rebecca for all of her issues and decide to buck up and do the work for herself, period.

I know that a big plot point of season 1 was how regretful Rebecca and Randall were about Rebecca’s decision to keep William’s identity from Randall as a child, but I honestly don’t know if Randall knowing William would have been all that great for him growing up to begin with. As a kid he obviously did question his identity and his parents since he was adopted and he was the only black person in his entire family, but at least he had two extremely loving and supportive parents who gave him every opportunity in the world. I’m not saying that William wouldn’t have been a good dad to him, but William did have some pretty severe issues when Randall was a kid. He did drugs, he went to jail, he was grieving enormous losses. If Randall had had regular visitation with him, he would have come back to the Pearson house and felt very confused about his two very different families. William may have cleaned things up for him but he was also much younger and less wiser than he was when Randall did meet him for the first time towards the end of his life, so there’s a good chance that he would have ended up backsliding into drugs while knowing Randall and that would have destroyed Randall’s image of him as a child.

I'm only on season 3 and although a lot is happening to Kevin I just feel bored by his scenes. The acting, the mimics is always the same, a teary scene from time to time but so predictable. The scene where he cried after his dad's necklace to that girl he knew in highschool was so lame. Does anyone else feel this way?

Just completed watching seasom 6, Its a beaitifull series too too beautifull.just one thing i wanted to know was what happened to all the kids later.