first time posting here, gonna come with a hot take. i don't really understand the ecco2k hype at all. i do enjoy some of his music but overall it's kinda just ok. i see alot of people speaking highly of him but i just don't really get it. i feel like it's performative ngl. like he has a very niche style and i'm sure he has done some very cool, unique things that i'm not privy to but yeah, i just don't get it.
Tiers S and A are ordered, lmk 👀
https://tiermaker.com/create/2025-ultimate-underground-rapper-tier-list-by-nnocent-18568343
S and A are loosely ranked (Dave Blunts is almost below D should not be in C)
What do ug artists do in cases like this? Kpopium ruined the community.
sniper2004 cautionary tale find your sound fellas
I have listened to more but these are the rappers I've listened to 1 or more albums worth of music (so like 20 or more songs)
S = great
A = good
B = decent
C = Ok
D = bad
it genuinely makes me mad how overated he is. there’s nothing special about his music like AT ALL. Lets look at his character, what is their to latch onto or resonate with?? he has no personality he’s just a good looking dude who got lucky.
What everyone think
You see a fellow ug artist getting major hate by racist fans but instead you shoutout the group that has been stealing from you. Even one of the members watched a video on how to produce like him. But instead, like the Asian fetishizer he is, shouts them out. I wonder which Asian baddie told him to do this
Like wtf else is there to do? Make absolute distortion like 2slimey to another level after that? People like slayr, vax, and rexv2 have done the melodic rage stuff which is cool but I really think ts is gonna fade out.
I like his music, but the hype around him is starting to feel forced. At this point I can’t even tell if it’s all genuine or if the label is pulling strings behind the scenes because every drop gets treated like it’s revolutionary.
It also feels like a lot of his fanbase is more into the image than the actual music. Half the people I see hyping him up are archive fashion teenagers that would’ve called him mid if he wasn’t dressed the way he is. The aesthetic carries way more of the conversation than the songs themselves.
Kinda blew him off as a Nett clone at first but he’s been growing on me as he begins to carve his own lane
Pz, Slayr, p3nileP3netratr, edward skeletrix, 2slimey?
My comment responding to this post:
Lyrics dont matter anymore.
These kids have grown up with only ever knowing the streaming world and instant access to music. Music is just disposable vibes now, like soma from the book Brave New World. There's no point pondering a song if you have millions of other options to play to get your quick dopamine hit.
A Take Care, To Pimp a Butterfly or My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy can only exist in a CD world where there is normalised culture around physical friction and paywalls to listening to and experiencing music physically. Hence why artists needed their albums to be whole listening experience.
Post-WLR / Post-Covid music is about what artist can abstractly paint the best vibe and scene for the listener instantaneously. It's about expression, status, tonality, aesthetics, stimulation and persona. Everything except logic and intelligence, as these sectors of the human experience are outsourced to AI and technology, the human senses are the only thing left to entertain.
Meaning, storytelling and substance like older iterations of hip hop and pop music can't be comprehended by their soma coma nihlism. Gen A can't comprehend chronological information / storytelling without getting cognitive dissonance from a lack of stimulation. Which is fine I guess, just the world we are moving towards.
So Gen A and late Gen Z's "quotables" aren't words or "bars," but rather expressions. When Nine Vicious says "I'm in LA now, I feel like a Laker," it's just a basic throwaway bar to any traditional hip hop artist, but because of the way he expresses it in a old Young Thug way, he characertises the bar like a slithery passionate melodic snake. That expression is the "quotable." Or Yeat's 2021 adlibs "TONKAAAA" "HeeYYEyy" etc. It's the characters these bars inhabit which becomes memorable, not the lyrics themselves.
So I think a better solution for artists who want to re-create that same feeling they had from their fav 2010s< hip hop artists is to translate everything you liked about those artist's albums and distill it into the taste buds of Gen A, cus thats all music is at the end of the day, a spiritual and political language. So if you're not connecting with the new language of the youth what r u doin
A song that really made you sad or question your life, maybe even helped you out of a dark place. I‘m curious. I think for me it is Loser Monologue by Fakemink.
his music is perfectly fine but god his ego "all these new underground kids" when your literally ONE OF THEM he thinks hes this avant garde artist and that hes better than everybody else but hes just dead wrong maybe its because he got co signs from people like drake and frank ocean but still that dosen't warrant this superiority complex he has. Love his music his last album was pretty nice but he needs to lower that fucking ego a little
This mf actually got NO skips for me its definetly in my top 5 all time what yall think