Theory: Carol is blocking the player from leaving Hometown

I think Carol, working with Kris, is deliberately blocking the player from leaving Hometown.

During the festival, we learn the police tape's been replaced with a new one. At this point, Undyne's held in the shelter, and idk if Napstablook can, like, hold things. So if not the police, the most likely candidate for replacing the tape is probably the mayor. But why would she do this?

The entirety of Hometown is confined. The trees are very tightly packed. The only exits are the pathway blocked off by tape and the lake (and we've seen where that leads). And not only is it confined, but it's completely isolated from the outside world. The internet was recently cut off. Tenna's only playing reruns. Alvin's been receiving condolence letters for Gerson until recently. So, what's going on?

From Chapter 4's Holiday manor segment, we can piece together that Kris and Carol are probably working together. I'm guessing the reason her voice sounds different over the phone depending on the route is that, when the voice box is jagged, she's actually in the shelter. And we've now gotten confirmation that she's been "investigating" in the shelter. I'm not sure exactly what they're working towards, but we can assume it involves the Knight in some way.

Something else we learn in Chapter 5 is that other characters can go places the SOUL can't. This whole time, I thought the lake was deep and on the edge of a cliff. But, no, Susie just walks into it. She also just walks through the spikes. In WR, Noelle has to walk Kris into the lake. In NR, Ralsei has to walk through the spikes. From this, we can understand that the SOUL has to abide by certain rules. And I'm saying the SOUL specifically, because Kris can go through windows and other pathways that they can't access with the SOUL.

I'm sure Kris understands this rule, and if they understand this, wouldn't they tell Carol so they can use it to their advantage? During the festival, there are very conveniently placed obstacles blocking the way to the shelter where Carol is "investigating." Maybe it's just classic video game blocking, but if these two know about the SOUL, are using it for their plan, and understand its limitations, is it really far-fetched to suggest they might be deliberately restricting the player's movement? Hell, even NormalNPC does this.

Now, the real question is why. I think the first obvious answer is that they need the SOUL for their plan, so they can't have us fleeing from Hometown. But remember, Hometown is completely isolated from the rest of the world, and we've seen what happens when you traverse through the lake. You reach a blinding white light. I've been replaying Undertale and just recently reached the fight with Asgore at the barrier. And the barrier is a blinding white light. Given the WR themes of breaking the game, breaking the script, and seeing what's beyond the map, I'm comfortable assuming the white light Kris and Noelle cross in the WR is a barrier. Not to mention, you need a monster and a human SOUL to cross the barrier. They meet the requirements.

I think Hometown's completely surrounded by the barrier. Even if you could cross the police line, you would find the barrier. And this would probably be bad if the player found the barrier, or even tried to cross it. Carol and Kris need you. They can't have you knowing too much.

And on the point of Hometown being within the barrier and cut off from the outside world. We're constantly reminded that we'll see Asriel next week. Toriel wonders if they should go surprise him early at college. But I don't think they can. I don't think anyone can leave, and I don't think "next week" is supposed to come. I know timeloop theories and "there's nothing outside Hometown" theories aren't popular, and I understand why, but I really like someone's idea I saw (wish I could remember who so I could credit).

This person suggested Hometown got cut off from the outside world and trapped in this barrier at the exact moment the connection between the player and the SOUL was established, when Gaster launched his experiment. I do think they had lives before, and that there's a world out there. Remember how Alvin said he's been getting letters until recently?

In the Mantle game, there are several examples of imagery where you have to cut through trees to get somewhere or get something. And there are two mentions of getting lost that I think are interesting. The first, of course, is "lost where the forest would grow, the children followed the pointed tail. The poor children!" Another is from the ARG.

If you answered "the festival" to the question "Where will it take place?", you got this response:

"Well, it was always going to be this way.

The only people that walk this path...

... are those who have their face so close to the road

they can't even see where they're going!

...

But, well.

If we're lucky, maybe there's a chance you'll still get lost along the way..."

That's interesting to me. If you go to the festival, you're following the script. But if you go to the lake and enable the WR, you're not following the path. Getting lost.

Either, in the past, someone went through the trees and got somewhere they weren't supposed to, or we'll have to do it ourselves eventually.

Writing this theory kinda got away from me… I think all of this connected, somehow. Maybe I'm reaching, and it's all just regular video game blocking, but plenty of Deltarune's elements have been proven to be diagetic. And I think this would be cool.

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u/420princessssss — 16 hours ago

On literal interpretations of the Weird route (chap. 5 spoilers)

I keep seeing people interpret Noelle's Chapter 5 Weird Route ending as her committing suicide, and I just don't see it that way… at all.

Noelle isn't trying to drown herself, or Kris. She says exactly what she wants: to do the impossible. To go somewhere she's never been able to go before. In the normal route, she mentions she's been thinking about leaving, and I think that's precisely what she means. She doesn’t want death, but an escape. Noelle has been depressed, stagnant, suffocating under the redundancy and confines of her life. She wants out, like when "Dess left".

This feels similar to how some people read the Chapter 4 scene as Kris literally SA-ing Noelle. That's not what's happening there either. And Noelle doesn't need Kris to kill herself, but she does need them to break the game. And that idea's reinforced when Susie mentions that, during the festival, Noelle smashed the bell on the hammer game and said "there's something better than winning". So, no, they're not just drowning in the lake. She's purposefully bringing them out of bounds, breaking the game.

My real gripe with these interpretations isn't that they're wrong to engage with dark themes, it's that, IMO they weaken the much more unique and meta and existential horror story that's being told. There is a god using Kris as a puppet. Using Noelle as a toy. Pushing them to extremes. That is the horror, and I don't think we need to imagine it as something else for it to be terrible.

Allegorical readings of these scenes, as explorations of SA and of suicidal ideation, can be interesting. The themes are definitely there. But IMO insisting the allegory is the literal event doesn't deepen the story, it just replaces the actual horror for something different. And what's actually happening is already horrifying enough, I think.

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u/420princessssss — 8 days ago
▲ 364 r/Deltarune

pls don’t put chap. 5 spoilers in youtube thumbnails

i know i’m preaching to the choir and the ppl who need to hear it probably won’t see this or care but i’m on my knees begging and praying to the Angel of deltarune please no spoilers in youtube thumbnails for a little while

when the chapter comes out i can get off social media no problem but i need youtube for work/school/white noise to help me fall asleep etc and if i see papyrus knight reveal or omega neo asgore boss or asriel dropped out of college and smoking weed at the festival in a thumbnail i’ll probably cry

and i guess this is just a general reminder to pls be respectful. a lot of ppl have jobs and school and lives outside of this game but still care about it and would appreciate getting to experience the new chapter spoiler-free (as toby has so meticulously intended) so let’s all just be curteous

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u/420princessssss — 18 days ago

How are you girls finding new games?

I love random small indie games but I feel like it’s so hard to find good ones. Idk how to find the good stuff on itch.io and sorting Steam or Switch by new just gives me a bunch of AI slop or hentai.

Is there a good way to find new indie games???

Some examples of the kinds of games I’m talking about: Beacon Pines, The Big Con, DISCOPUP, The Cat Lady, Painscreek Killings… games from small studios/underrated devs that are quality (especially narrative-driven). Night in the Woods and Undertale/Deltarune are pretty popular but they’re good examples of games I’m looking for.-

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u/420princessssss — 1 month ago
▲ 16 r/Nails

did some ladybug nails for spring and at first I thought they were cute but now they just look like mistletoe to me 😭😭 the design I copied used a pale yellow for the french tip but I just used white bc I didn’t have that colour, and unfortunately I think that’s what’s making them extra christmas-y to me. any ideas??

u/420princessssss — 2 months ago