You think if Hayley lived Elijah wouldn’t have died with Klaus?

You think if Hayley lived Elijah wouldn’t have died with Klaus?

I honestly don’t know, cause Elijah’s whole thing was putting Klaus first and facing everything together, I don’t see him letting Klaus face death alone. However, it’s hard for me to imagine Elijah leaving Hayley behind like that to die. Maybe if Elijah tried to die with Klaus he wouldn’t have let him and maybe he’d tell Elijah to be happy with Hayley. I do think there would be something so symbolic of the situation, like for once Klaus is facing something alone. Elijah’s entire goal was Klaus’s redemption, so the idea that it finally happens because of hope, and Klaus wants Elijah to stay alive to watch the life the “hope” he fought so hard for would’ve been so satisfying. Like, after 1000 years he finally gets to do something for himself and gets his happy ending with Hayley because he achieved what he wanted in life, that would’ve been beautiful. I don’t ship Hayley and Elijah, but I can’t deny that they loved each other and they didn’t deserve to end as tragically as they did.

u/AdExpert3509 — 8 days ago

Literally one of the saddest scenes for me

It’s between this one and Elena falling apart when Jeremy died. You just feel Elena’s grief, like these were such huge losses in her life. Then with this you have Damon’s goodbye and she couldn’t even hear him, I remember watching this for the first time it was so sad. You just had to watch Elena fall apart while Damon poured his heart out and she couldn’t even hear. This was one of their best moments and like one of my favorite episodes of them, she didn’t want him orchestrating the explosion and Elena stopped fighting him and just did it with him. I loved how all in they were, they were both crazy for each other. This is why I love Elena in the later seasons, she was more daring and Damon brought out that side of her.

u/AdExpert3509 — 1 month ago

No humanity Caroline arc

Not only did Katherine assault Stefan but Caroline forced Stefan to turn his humanity off to stop her from killing his niece, then she has sex with him later on. I didn't even realize that cause I never thought about it before. People talk about sex and consent all the time in this fandom but I haven't seen anyone talk about this. Mind you, she also assaulted Liam, she was compelling him and making out with him. Honestly, she really needed to just stay with Tyler, all of her situations with her love interests after Tyler really diminished her character. Even with her mom dying, I feel like they used that for steroline. They made her love life more central within that story line. They have Stefan realize he felt something for her while watching her sing at her mom's funeral will forever be weird to me. It's not romantic. They buttered Stefan and Caroline, they could've worked in theory though. I can see Stefan and Caroline bonding over losing both their mothers and them getting closer, like I get it, but I think they handled it weirdly. Caroline literally turned her humanity off because Stefan wouldn't tell her he had feelings for her, if she heard what she wanted to hear from him she wouldn't have turn it off. Her mom died and yet her biggest concern at the funeral was Stefan telling her he feels the same way. They had such a bad transition from friends to lovers in the show.

u/AdExpert3509 — 1 month ago

Saw this and I’m like they really did prevail every time

It does suck that other couples didn’t get their endgame like benzo and forewood. They deserved it so much, but if we’re just speaking for delena, they overcame literally every obstacle, not even just external circumstances, Damon had to believe he deserved something good. He didn't believe he could be the better man which was a big theme for him in season 2. He reflected on who he was and was worried about what elena said about being the better man and grappling with his nature. He was saying how the woman he loves wants him to be the better man which means he can't be who he wants to be. It really sounded like Damon made being a vampire his whole identity which is so interesting. He didn't know who he was without it. He did choose to grow and be better than his worst actions. Elena also had to accept that their was something in her that was drawn to Damon without feeling guilty, Klaus who was for some reason interested in the love triangle but was against delena even said when referring to Elena "don't underestimate the allure of darkness Stefan, even the purest hearts are drawn to it." That was a huge reason why Elena and Damon hit it off when they first met. Elena said that he felt dangerous but not in a way that scared her it was exciting.

As for the external circumstances they literally went against first loves, the sire bond, the whole doppelgänger prophecy, they went against the universe. Also, nobody was rooting for them but Rose, Alaric did come around later on though. Elena was judged by Caroline and Bonnie, mostly Caroline. She had to detend herself, even Klaus or Katherine would tell Damon that Elena would go back to Stefan. They had all these people planting doubt and they didn't care. It takes a serious level of confidence, especially from Elena who even in season 3 had to be forced by Caroline to admit she was attracted to him and that he’s gotten under her skin, she came a long way. Season 6 especially was probably the trickiest obstacle for them, Elena only had the worst memories of him, Damon came back, found out, and ofc he was heartbroken and when Alaric became human and couldn't give Elena her memories back Damon tried to get her to remember but it didn't work but then Elena started asking him questions about a memory from their rain kiss and he chose not to tell her details, instead he told her he'll always love her and that she's thriving, happy, and he let her go. A couple episodes later, Elena still chose to break up with Liam and go to Damon cause she said there was just something in her like a feeling that she should do this, that she should try. She fell in love with him without memories, and even when Elena got her memories back at the end she was put into a sleeping beauty coma. They really went through it so they deserved to finally have the life they wanted. Especially Elena who's been through so much grief, she's lost her parents, birth parents, her brother, Jenna, Alaric, Bonnie, then Damon. She honestly deserved her happy ending. Shes a stronger character than people give her credit for, Damons death was absolutely her last straw, his and Jeremys death in season 4 was some of the worst grief she's ever experienced, with Jeremy she burned her house down like Jeremys death left a mark on her and then she lost her soulmate, the person she was planning on spending forever with in season 6, I think it takes a level of strength to lose all the people she did, and still have her compassion intact cause her grief could’ve made her bitter or cold.

In the beginning of season 5 she was also happier in some ways and more settled than she’s been in a while. The love triangle was over, she was decisive and planning her life. She was in college with her best friends, she had her boyfriend, she had the best summer of her life. Season 6 especially was Elena and Damon at their most settled. They really deserved endgame.

u/AdExpert3509 — 2 months ago

Unpopular opinion: Elena is a more interesting character in the later seasons

People say they liked her more in seasons 1/2 and I think it's because they didn't really let her become a flawed character. She wasn't doing much, all she was doing was loving Stefan and being a martyr. She was technically easier to like.

She was about ready to sacrifice herself or walk into danger constantly, she chose to trust Elijah who ended up betraying her. She also did some dumb things like when rose was dying from the werewollf bite and Elena was running from her you literally see her go to the door and then run upstairs, rose doesn't have a daylight ring so she wouldn't have been able to chase her, or when she'd try and infiltrate a good plan, like when she wanted to go help Damon save Stefan from the tomb vampires in season 1 and he explained to her why that was a bad idea and she did it anyways. I didn't dislike her but she got stronger later on smarter even, in season 3 she was training with Alaric, she even stabbed Stefan when he insulted her, she orchestrated a pretty good plan to lock up Stefan, she was the one who made the hard call to dagger Rebekah and I think that was growth because with Elijah she saw how he betrayed her cause at the end of the day Klaus is his brother so this time Elena didn't let her feelings get in the way with Rebekah since she's klaus's sister, like Elena was really making moves. I liked that when Stefan left we saw how Elena couldn't depend on him since he wasn't there. She really grew. Even in season 4 | liked her liked her standing up for herself to Caroline cause that's not something the old Elena would do, the old Elena would've just took it and cried. I can't believe she gets hate for that. She became more unapologetic, bold, and more confident. She wasn't apologizing for her heart anymore either, she felt bad for a while but then she just tired of it. Her becoming a vampire played a role in that too. Even in season 5 when her and Stefan was stranded and they saw a car coming and Elena was ready to get her flirt on adjusted herself, that's a small thing but | liked seeing that side of her. That's just not something Elena in season 1/2 would do. I liked the scene, she had a more carefree side later on.

She killed kol causing a mass genocide, that was absolutely crazy ngl but I think that makes her a more flawed character than anything. It makes the action morally grey, kol was not a good guy so it's not like he was a victim, he literally compelled Damon to kill Jeremy. So I don't get why Elena gets hate for killing him. They had a goal and it was to get Jeremy to complete the hunters mark. The thing with tvd is that the so called "good guys" do bad things all the time, not just Damon and Elena.

There's multiple examples like that. Caroline killed 12 witches to save Bonnie, she also helped Stefan, Damon, and Jeremy kill Tyler's innocent hybrid friend to save Elena from the hunters curse and she doesn't get hate for that at all. These people put each other over anyone else all the time, you'd be crazy to think there is anything Stefan wouldn't do for his brother and vice versa, Stefan and Damons plan to turn Bonnie's mom into a vampire for Elena because she's not one of them shows that. It's just weird how Elena is held to this moral standard, her being a woman I'm sure pays a huge role in it and also her not choosing Stefan. As if Elena not loving Stefan anymore is some moral failure. I also disagree with her loving Damon is character assassination because Elena has cared about him since season 1 and chose to be his friend even after everything. She chose to get close to him because she wanted to. Naturally, she's going to grow closer to him in season 3 when it's just the two of them. I also think her loving Damon and being able to love him and still acknowledge everything hes done adds layers to her character. It also just shows Elena’s compassion cause that’s always been her thing, she forgave Katherine for everything she’s done, even chose not Kim her when she had the chance and she even asked Elena why did you give me the cure instead of just killing me and she said she thinks maybes there’s something good under their after 500 years of bad behavior. She also forgave Stefan for trying to kill her, she didnt even hold it against him. So Elenas capacity for forgiveness is not just something she does for Damon it’s just who she is as a person.

u/AdExpert3509 — 2 months ago

My Forwood babies

I can’t believe they were ruined for a random one night stand in the woods to lead to a forced friends to lovers with her best friends ex. Caroline’s whole thing was about her being insecure about Elena and never being the one, so why put her with the guy who didn’t choose her first, just because of that I’d rather her be with Klaus if it came down to Stefan and him.

Caroline’s arc should always end with the guy who chooses her first, Tyler didn’t have to be convinced to give Caroline a chance like some people🙃 Tyler actually fought for her. This is the same guy who risked getting killed by Klaus when he came back to mystic falls on prom night just so him and Caroline could dance in her living room. He knew how risky it was to go back home but he knew how much prom meant to her and he did it anyways. I’m not even a Caroline fan but she was so good with Tyler and such a better character with him, same with Tyler. This was literally her best relationship and one of the best parts of the show. I really liked when he rescued her from her dad and carried her out and they went home and he just held her while she cried.

Btw Caroline looks so pretty in the last slide, the way she looks at tyler is just chefs kiss.

u/AdExpert3509 — 3 months ago

Delena dances; what’s your fave?

I really love the decades dance, I love how she smiles at him, but the dance of them in the salvatore mansion might be my favorite. I also like the song in the background. The chemistry was crazy. This being the build up to their first time was perfect, I have no notes for this scene. The dance at the college party was perfect for them, I wish they had more darker scenes like that, it made sense for them. The whole thing about Damon and Elena was her leaning into the darkest parts of herself and scenes like these showed that so they should’ve done more of this when they became official. The rest of their dances were pretty good too but those are like my top 3.

u/AdExpert3509 — 3 months ago

I felt bad for Stefan and Rebekah is a menace for this, but the delena in me..

This was necessary tho, everyone kept telling her that her feelings weren’t real. Caroline was going mad hard which I really think was just her wanting to live vicariously through Elena because Stefan rejected her. Everyone was in denial but the signs were really there since the beginning. Stefan’s biggest fear was always Elena falling for Damon, I.e Stefan showing up to Elena’s house in season 1 when Damon and Elena was already there and you see how he looks at them or when Elena had to reassure Stefan that he had nothing to worry about and that she only cares about Damon. Even in season 2 when Stefan was having visions of Damon and Elena happy playing pool and kissing. There’s so many moments like that. Side note, I love how Rebekah is over a thousand years old but still just a teenage girl. The way she dragged everyone’s tea into the light will never not have me. She really had them compelled to tell the truth all day. This is the best use of compulsion😭

u/AdExpert3509 — 3 months ago

Damon and Elena having some of the best moments in the show

“I’m here to eat cotten candy and steal your girl.” Thats literally my favorite line of his and Damon meant that with his whole chest. Damon’s audacity is like my favorite part of his character.

These are like their stand out moments to me. Elena taking the cure with Damon is such an underrated moment of theirs, I love her taking it on her porch and I like the song playing. I love how her porch is really Damon and Elena’s thing, they had their first kiss there, they’ve argued, and that was also the same place where Elena became human with Damon, like that was the true beginning of their “promise me this is forever scene.”

But overall Elena choosing him on her graduation night is still probably my favorite moment of Damon and Elena. I really liked her speech and Damon’s face was just in pure shock, like he couldn’t believe she chose him. It’s just something about a love story in general when the guy doesn’t think he deserves a girl and still does everything in his power to try to earn her love. I will say Damon confessing to her that he’ll take the cure so they can have a human life together is right up there.

What your favorite delena moment?

u/AdExpert3509 — 3 months ago

“Nothing more important than the bond of family.”

This moment between them doesn’t get talked about as much, but this was really sweet. I liked them laying down just talking about their day, most of their domestic scenes are in season 6, they sprinkled a bit in like season 5 I’d say, but I think season 6 really nailed it more.

The reference of the all consuming love is good writing, Elena is talking about Rebekah in the first slide but that girl becomes her. She becomes the girl who not only lost her parents too young but fell in a consuming kind of love. There’s multiple times where Elena has brought up a consuming love, she even told Matt in this same season that when she’s with damon he consumes her. These moments were good foreshadowing, cause then we find out Damon and her met first where he referenced a consuming love. I liked this build up to that point of the reveal.

I also like what Elena tells Damon, to add some context, Stefan’s humanity was off and they had him locked up, Damon came to tell her that he freed Stefan, so she told him that she’s not mad at him for letting Stefan out, she also said “I think you’re gonna be the one to save him from himself, it won’t be because he loves me it’ll be because he loves you.” I always liked that the whole show was the bond of the brothers, and the love triangle was basically used as the device of what brought them back together. I liked them putting their differences aside after 145 years to protect Elena. They both had reasons to hate each other which they both acknowledged but they came together for the girl they both love. That theme has been pretty consistent throughout the show and I liked that. Even in season 6 when Stefan is trying to move on with Caroline he even tells her that he doesn’t believe that Elena came into his life to be his soulmate, and they were, but Elena was the only person who believed his brother was worth loving and Elena reminded him that he use to believe that about him too. He said that in the end he needed him more than he needed her. I liked that they never lost that theme in the show. Both brothers loved Elena, but they still wanted each other as brothers. They would never choose someone else over each other. Even in season 8 when Cade told Damon to choose between Stefan and Elena, Damon chose to kill himself. Their bond was just as important as the love triangle, if not more.

u/AdExpert3509 — 3 months ago
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These are some of the stand out lines in tvd/TO that are so underrated

This is my top 6 in no order:

“If I see something I haven’t seen before I’ll throw a dollar at it.” (Damon when he interrupted Stefan and Elena in his room) Season 1 Damon was hilarious, he had all the audacity in the world.

“Don’t underestimate the allure of darkness Stefan, even the purest hearts are drawn to it.”- Klaus on delena

“…i’ve never claimed to be the bastion of temperance but stop this drivel about being singled out or unloved you are a Mikaelson you’re my blood”- TO Klaus to kol

“My husband died because he loved me, and loving any of us is a death sentence”-TO Hayley talking to Elijah (I was never even the biggest fan of Hayley but goodness I love this line so much season 3 originals was like the best, especially for her character)

“We are the strongest creatures in the world, and yet we are damaged beyond repair, we live without hope, but we will never die, we are the definition of cursed, always and forever.” - TO Rebekah to Klaus

“When people see good they expect good, and I don’t want to have to live up to anyone’s expectations.” - Damon to Elena

I love the way they wrote the mikaelsons, they didn’t just tell us they were old, but they really felt like they were, even if they didn’t look like it. Say what you want about Julie Plec but she definitely did her thing with the characters especially the mikaelsons. Tvd/TO had such good writing.

Thoughts on these, and do you have any faves?

u/AdExpert3509 — 3 months ago

I hate that it was Katherine and not Elena in this scene

Katherine hijacking Elena’s body was one of the worst storylines out of the entire show. Katherine is usually a strong character, she’s a survivor, and everything but I find her hijacking Elena’s body pathetic and it’s even more pathetic that she didn’t leave with Nadia, she stayed just to be with Stefan. I’m sorry but since when does Katherine risk her own survival for love, all she’s cared about for 500 years was surviving, I know she loves Stefan in her own way and I know she loved Damon at one point, but there is no one she will ever love more than herself besides her daughter. The only person Katherine would risk her survival for would be her daughter which she ended up doing just to be with her daughter in her final moments, but the Katherine we know would never do that for a man.

Also, I do love this speech that Stefan gave tho, it was honest, he wasn’t perfectly happy about Damon and Elena which makes sense, I liked that he’s able to acknowledge that yeah it hurt that I lost you and I didn’t want you guys to work out but I can’t deny that you guys worked and Damon was there for you even while being far from perfect. Throughout the show, even before Damon and Elena got together, Damon was the one who was there for her in season 3 when Stefan left or when he came back and lost his humanity right in front of her at the high school and Elena was in tears asking where was he and he vowed to never leave her again and he kept that promise, even in season 4 when she became a vampire he helped her feed and even made it fun for her at that college party, even when Katherine killed Jeremy he didn’t want to leave the island without her best friend Bonnie, he was there for her when they found out Bonnie died in S5, in S6 he was the one helping her trying to get Bonnie out of the prison world. The thing that surprised me was Caroline even giving him that credit in season 6, when she told Elena that Damon’s been there for her through the good and bad times and that she maybe hasn’t given him enough credit.

u/AdExpert3509 — 3 months ago

The way they look at each other I just…

They are the cutest, they have perfect chemistry, it’s not here but the way he smiles at her when they’re dancing in his room is everything too. I can’t wait for season 2. I think they’re like the best couple in fiction in recent years on television. They’re the most green flag couple, and yet they’re still the most entertaining and compelling couple in the show. They don’t need made up contrived drama or toxicity to stand out.

u/AdExpert3509 — 4 months ago

The most underrated

As much as I love delena, I can't deny how much I loved Damon and Rose. I like Rose as a character too, I enjoyed her presence on the show and she was pretty fun and interesting. Shes very underrated and one of my favorite characters. I know this will be an unpopular opinion but I think all the love Lexi gets is what Rose should get, I always felt like Lexi was overrated, Rose was very underrated.

I also just personally love Damon's relationships whether platonic or romantic, Delena, bamon, rose, Liz. You get to see how deep his capacity to care is, he didn't even know Rose that long and he grew attached and he cared about her. Even with the short amount of time they had, her death messed him up. I liked the scene with him and Elena, where we learned how guilty he felt cause Jules was coming after him and he said it was suppose to be him, Elena was being a friend to him and he was just pushing her away, he just couldn’t take any comfort from her. The way Damon cares about someone is always interesting to see for his specific character because he loves recklessly and in the most violent way some times. The way he loves or cares for someone is never shallow. In season 2, we got to see a softer side of his love and care with rose, because there was no one he could torture or kill to save rose, the best thing he could do was be there for her and give her peace in her final moments.

I think some of my favorite moments of Damon when it comes to his relationships whether romantic or platonic is when he shows the other side of his love, not the whole doing bad things in the name of love although I do love that side too, but the softer side, like the way he spent time with Liz while she had cancer, especially in her final moments, or when he took accountability to Bonnie for desiccating and then him reciting the letter he wrote her that explained why he chose to desiccate, it was more so to do with his fear of letting her and Elena down.
Damon wasn’t the kind of person who liked to be vulnerable and exposed all the time so those moments were rare but when it happened they pretty good.

u/AdExpert3509 — 4 months ago

The Vampire Proposal

He quite literally gave up everything for her, he put all his chips in his relationship with Elena, this was someone who was always known as the impulsive and reckless vampire and yet he was certain about this. Stefan gave him all the reasons not to be, and they made sense, they can grow apart, he might even grow resentful of her, or even if they do last she can simply die and then he'd be alone and miserable. Damon could've used any excuse at his disposal and yet he still wanted to take the risk because he wanted to be the man who can give her everything. He wanted to be her husband and the father of her kids and he got that. He rebuilt the Gilbert house, Elena has her own medical practice which was see in the originals and they have kids. Say what you want about Damon but one things for sure is that he wasn't all talk, when he loves someone you'll see it, he loves on the deepest level, same with Elena. Damon and Elena in season 6 were just different, they came a long way.

u/AdExpert3509 — 4 months ago

Season 6 delena>> this scene was so cute

I love watching Elena fall for him all over again in real time, I’m not over how she looks at him in this moment. Season 6 delena had some of their best moments to me, I think they even rival some early delena moments. They just had a different vibe in season 6, it’s between this moment in the video and the “I somehow always find my way back to you scene,” the promise me this is forever scene, the vampire proposal, and when Elena took the cure on her front porch with Damon. I also really like the song they played with that scene. Delena was definitely at their best and most mature, I liked that, season 5 delena was more messy and complicated and it was rocky cause ofc them first dating wouldn’t be all sunshine. I enjoyed their growth as a couple, they communicated more in season 6 and they were more wholesome. I liked their season 5 moments but I do think they had better moments in season 6. Damon’s goodbye in season 5 is still way up there though.

u/AdExpert3509 — 4 months ago
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“Little wolf”

I think Hayley and Elijah was pretty boring and a little forced to me, I feel like any beautiful woman that Klaus got pregnant that showed Elijah interest or affection he would’ve fallen for. Klaus and Hayley by far had better moments and it’s not even close. I didn’t even ship them before, I shipped klamille but rewatching their moments I realize they had something. Klaus and Hayley had like the strongest dynamic in the show outside of the Mikaelson family. My favorite scenes is when Hayley wouldn’t tell Klaus what mikael said, I love their fight ofc in season 3 when she’s yelling fight back, that was just so real. I pretty much enjoy every moment between Hayley and Klaus, like when he made sure her pack respected her and he made sure they knew she was the queen, or when he kneeled to Lucien to save Hayley’s life. I do at the same time enjoy how much Hayley and Klaus love each other without it being romantic. They had potential in so curious why they didn’t go the Klaus and Hayley route, it made sense, maybe they felt it would be too predictable but idk. I’m glad they didn’t do a love triangle tho, this show was so good and the love triangle would’ve swallowed it. The best part about the originals isn’t the romance tbh, but at the same time idk if Klaus and Hayley would function well in a relationship, especially the way Hayley would take hope and run or the way Klaus will do anything possible to save hope even if it hurt Hayley so idk if it would work.

u/AdExpert3509 — 4 months ago

“It’s ok to love them both…”

There is definitely a double standard within the love triangle, I’ve seen some people talk about it. Some people don’t get why Stefans bad actions may come off as worst than Damon’s. I’m not arguing which actions are worse, that’s up to you, but from Elena’s viewpoint, she sees each brother differently and her dynamic with each brother is different. She loved each brother for different reasons. Elena fell in love with the good parts of Stefan, not the darkness, yes she knew he was a vampire but she caught feelings even before she knew that, she didn’t know the whole story, she also didn’t know that she looked like Katherine. She slept with him and then found the picture of Katherine later that night. I know she didn’t leave him but it did leave a mark and she was angry. I also don’t think Elena was fully prepared for Stefan’s ripper side, yeah she saw some parts of his darkness eventually and she didn’t leave, but it was definitely an adjustment for her, season 3 proves that. This biggest thing was that Elena never thought he’d hurt her but then he did, he force fed her blood, tried to kill her and traumatized her all over again, the same bridge he saved her on, he used her for his revenge against Klaus. Elena always saw him as good and safe, not perfect but good. Stelena was always meant to be a safe love, good, pure that’s it.

When it comes to Damon, she liked the danger of him, when she first met him she said that she liked how there was something dangerous about him but not in the way that scared her, it made her excited. She didn’t fall in love with Stefan for the danger of him. When she fell for Stefan, Elena was grieving her parents and dealing with survivors guilt, danger was not something she needed or could handle at that point in her life, she needed to just feel safe. Elena even said that he came into her life when she needed someone and she fell for him instantly. With Damon, Elena saw the bad first, then she saw the good, she saw all sides of Damon since season 1. Even with all of that she still chose to be his friend and she couldn’t not care about him. She would protect him and talk to him regularly. Elena saw the darkness of Damon but always interpreted it in her own way, she told Stefan that she believes every thing Damon’s done he’s done for love it’s twisted but kind of sad. Elena even asked Damon why don’t you let people see the good in you and he replied when people see good they expect good and he doesn’t want to have to live up to anyone’s expectations. I think that’s the whole love triangle in a nutshell. Elena holds Stefan to a higher standard because he doesn’t act like your average vampire, most vampires do not care about human life, they don’t carry around the guilt like Stefan does to the point that Stefan is paralyzed with it and he’s in a constant state of self hatred, self reflection, and brooding.

A huge critique of delena in season 5 is how Elena enables him because she didn’t leave him for killing Aaron, but at this point she’s already in love with him. Elena was able to catch feelings for Damon after every awful thing he’s already done. He was the first villain of the show, he hurt Caroline, he’s hurt Jeremy, and Bonnie and she still cared about him from the beginning and she could never fully hate him, so it doesn’t make sense for Elena to leave Damon or fall out of love with him for that.

The best example I can think of is imagine if Matt killed Jenna and not Klaus, Matt killing Elena’s aunt will have more of an impact because he’s Elena’s friend he’s not a villain. People don’t hate Klaus, he’s a fan fave people love him, but if Matt killed Jenna we’d hate him more than we already do. It’s not fair technically but the double standard exist for a reason.

Thank you for coming to my ted talk🌝

Thoughts??

u/AdExpert3509 — 4 months ago

Bonnie and Damon dynamic

Bonnie and Damon have such a fun dynamic even before season 6 they had some nice Easter egg moments, like their decade dance was really cute, when Damon was clearly worried about Bonnie dying trying to kill Klaus and he asked if their were any way to increase her odds, and she said "be careful Damon I'II start to think you actually care." | know they weren't friends in season 2, but I like them going from hating each other in season 1, to being able to tolerate each other for Elena's sake, and then to being best friends. The true result of the saying "if you were the last person on earth" which is what basically happened in season 6. It was a nice change to the status quo. I will say I like how Elena getting with Damon didn't just make Bonnie like him, she didn't come around, that would've been bad writing, I liked how Bonnie became best friends with Damon because she wanted to, because she cared about him because she got to see a different side of him in the prison world, like her learning that he killed that pregnant woman in the 90s and you would think that would make Bonnie write him off, but she noticed enough to realize that he felt remorse for his actions and that's why he believed the day the prison world was stuck on was his personal hell cause that was the day he did the worst thing he's ever done in his mind. She told him that's what makes him different from Kai and that means theirs hope for him. I just really liked that, especially because people act like Damon only cares when something has to do with Elena. I also enjoyed how protective he was of her, like he did not let Kai lay a finger on her. He really cared about her and loved her as a friend. I liked that when he came back he was dedicated to saving her, he was the only character who pointed out what Bonnie’s done for them, he said it, he said that she’s sacrificed everything for them time and time again and this was the one time they should’ve been there for her.
Don’t even get me started on their reunion scene, that was so cute. I also really liked the letter he wrote her, he really loved her she was his best friend.

Ultimately, I prefer them as best friends, I love their dynamic, even their more light hearted moments they have really good chemistry as friends.

u/AdExpert3509 — 4 months ago

Delena memory lane & the memory wipe

As much as I hate Alaric compelling her to forget her love for Damon we did get something great out of it. I like having Elena’s internal dialogue for significant delena moments. I liked her admitting that the miss mystic falls dance was the first time she felt how sexy he was, or learning the moment she fell in love with him, but honestly I don’t get why he didn’t just compel her to grieve him, that would’ve been better. Alaric was also ridiculous for not compelling her to remember as soon as Damon came back, he knew damn well Elena would want him to. It was pretty nice watching Elena fall for him a second time but still.

I also think they should’ve written it the same way they wrote it when Damon compelled Jeremy to forget Vicki, Jeremy told Damon that when he compelled him it felt more like a void, so it took away the pain, but it was more so the feeling of something missing. That’s how they should’ve written it for Elena, I don’t know if it’s different because the the command was different, like Damon compelled Jeremy to believe that Vicki left, Elena was made to believe she didn’t love Damon. I don’t know but I think they made it too easy for Elena cause she loved Damon so much, he consumed her so it would’ve made more sense that there would’ve been a void.

u/AdExpert3509 — 4 months ago