u/AdZealousideal8645

Ranking the real boxers who appeared in or are referenced in the Rocky movies

So I'm probably going to miss a few names here...

I'm only going to list professionals (sorry Burt Young/Uncle Paulie) and I'm going to pretty much skip most of the guys who fought in Rocky V. I'll throw in Henry Tillman because he was an Olympic gold medalist. And I'm going to throw in Chuck Wepner because he inspired the movie.

I'm also not doing the Creed movies. Someone else can do that.

This is a pound for pound ranking and is obviously my opinion. Most of these guys are heavyweights.

  1. Roberto Duran (appeared as a sparring partner for Rocky in Rocky II. Stallone said Duran cracked him good a few times.) Possibly the greatest lightweight of all time (although I think that goes to Joe Gans, and I rate Leonard above Duran at lightweight as well). Pound for pound I have him 12th all-time.
  2. Joe Frazier. In my opinion the best heavyweight to appear in the Rocky series. I rate him 6th all-time at heavyweight. Famously defeated Muhammad Ali in Madison Square Garden in 1971. Has wins over Jerry Quarry, Joe Bugner, Buster Mathis, Oscar Bonavena, Jimmy Ellis, Eddie Machen, George Chuvalo, Bob Foster (albeit a completely washed-up Foster who was fighting a hopeless crusade at heavyweight after his light heavyweight legacy). Stopped twice by Foreman in a stylistic nightmare; lost the first rematch with Ali by decision and then went to war for 14 rounds with Ali in the Phillipines before his corner possibly saved lives by stopping the fight. Really didn't like Sylvester Stallone.
  3. Rocky Marciano. Marciano, Dempsey, and Tyson are 10, 11, and 12 in my heavyweight list, so we're splitting hairs here. Double tough, power in both hands, little lacking in resume but famously retired as champion at 49-0.
  4. Jack "Manassa Mauler" Dempsey. At his best he'd give almost any heavyweight a tough fight. Incorrectly labeled as a brawler but was actually a very technically proficient swarmer with good defense. Fame and time caught up with him.
  5. Mike Tyson. Probably everyone knows about him. Had a great few years at the top but fizzled out quickly. His resume is pretty light, in part because the late 80's was a wasteland in the heavyweight division. A tough fight for most heavyweights in history.
  6. Luis Firpo. IBHOF Hall of Famer, pro record of 31-4. Lost to Dempsey after knocking Dempsey out of the ring. (Mickey did the same thing that night but got no press because he didn't have a manager.) Very underrated all-time.
  7. Antonio Tarver. Roy Jones Jr.'s kryptonite. I saw him on ESPN Friday Night Fights early in his career and knew he'd be special. Unfortunately I can't rank him any higher than this.
  8. Tommy Morrison: The talent was there... the chin and the discipline weren't. Nonetheless he has a great win over Foreman and held a few non-recognized world titles.
  9. Chuck Wepner. The inspiration for Rocky, he ALMOST went 15 rounds with Muhammad Ali in 1975 before a stoppage in the closing seconds. Known for his toughness and proclivity for hemorrhaging, Wepner really has no great wins but lost to several all-time greats in Ali, Foreman, and Liston. Has a win in 1973 over Ernie Terrell. It should be noted that neither Liston nor Foreman could actually knock him out; both fights were stopped due to cuts.
  10. Henry Tillman (was one of the contenders in Rocky V.) Tillman won the 1984 Olympic gold, although the Soviet boycott can't be overlooked. Beat a guy named Mike Tyson twice to earn his spot on the Olympic team. In the pros he fought at cruiserweight but lost to Holyfield. Lost a close decision to Bert Cooper. Moved up to heavyweight but his chin was an issue. He was the first guy to fight Mike Tyson after Tyson lost the heavyweight title in 1990; Tyson knocked him out in the first round.
  11. Pedro Lovell (played Spider Rico.) Argentinian Heavyweight with 25 pro fights. Fought and lost to Ken Norton and Mike Weaver. Beat a double-tough Terry Krueger by stoppage.
  12. Eddie "The Animal" Lopez. Almost didn't include him because he was just cast as "Fighter" in Rocky II. Extremely tough heavyweight in the 70's and 80's but never really sniffed the title. I saw several of his fights; he was on the undercard of Hearns-Duran against Tony Tucker and was giving Tucker hell until Tucker scored a late KO.
  13. Mike Williams (played Union Cane in Rocky V). Fringe heavyweight contender in the 80's and 90's. Lost a split decision to Tim Witherspoon. That's about all I know about him.

If you disagree, have the stones to make your own list.

And I'm not doing the "Prime Tyson beats everyone" crap.

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u/AdZealousideal8645 — 3 days ago

There should have never been a sequel.

The original Rocky is a perfect movie with a perfect ending. He went the distance, he got the girl. He proved he wasn't just some scrub from the neighborhood. Apollo said there wouldn't be a rematch and Rocky says "Don't want one." The end.

Did I enjoy some stuff from the subsequent films? Yes. Doesn't change my opinion.

I feel similarly about Halloween (1978) which is also one of my three favorite movies. Some of the sequels were good but the original was perfect and was good enough to stand alone.

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u/AdZealousideal8645 — 4 days ago

Update... did I re-tear my meniscus?

So it's been over a year since I tore my right medial meniscus playing basketball, and it's been 11 months since what seemed like a successful surgery.

I've done a lot of rehab and I started lifting weights hard 6 months ago. My legs are strong in terms of weight room strength... they're not explosive like they used to be. My goal is to resume boxing. I'm 45 and it's been 5 years since I've been in a ring to spar. But I'm not giving up.

I've been having a lot of pain in the same area where I originally got hurt. The only thing I've done recently that's new are box step-ups, a leg conditioning movement. I use a one-foot box and step up with about 60% of my foot on the box. It's something my trainer used to have me do endlessly.

I haven't felt any "pop" or any moment of sudden pain. The pain is while I'm resting. I'm icing it and popping as much OTC meds as I can as well as using Biofreeze.

I have an appointment with my surgeon next Wednesday... I'm guessing he'll order an MRI.

Does this sound like a re-injury or just stress? I have a lot of arthritis. And I'm a fatass (6'2" and over 220) so there are a lot of factors.

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u/AdZealousideal8645 — 7 days ago

Apollo vs. Joe Frazier

So... Joe Frazier exists in the Rocky universe...

Apollo is undefeated, had never been taken 15 rounds, had never been down.

Did Apollo beat Frazier?

(Frazier was bitter about the Rocky movie... he got the cameo but never got credited for the fact that he used to punch beef to train and also used to run up the Art Museum steps.)

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u/AdZealousideal8645 — 7 days ago

Had torn medial (inside) meniscus repair 11 months ago.... Still have pain. Want to box again.

I want to start boxing again.

I've been doing strength training and some stamina building since the surgery on my right knee. It was a medial meniscus repair.

Boxing involves a lot of twisting and rotating. I'm orthodox (right handed) so my right leg is back, and I use a lot of footwork.

I'm not talking "boxing fitness". I'm wanting to get back in the ring.

But there's pain. If I blow the knee again I'm DONE (I'm 45 and probably shouldn't be fighting anyways).

Besides "See a doctor", anyone have advice? How much pain is normal?

There's a ton of arthritis in there per my surgeon.

Also, in terms of weight room strength, my legs are pretty strong. I'm deadlifting well over 600 pounds, I can do Zercher Squats with close to 350, Romanian Deadlifts over 350, sled leg presses with 900 pounds for full reps.

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u/AdZealousideal8645 — 11 days ago

Does this happen to you? PS5 Online

This cost me 20+ yards of field position and I gave up a field goal with 4 seconds left. He'd been returning kicks deep in his end zone and was usually starting inside his 20.

My kicks (kickoffs, PAT/FG, Punt) get messed up with glitches.

Anyone else?

u/AdZealousideal8645 — 12 days ago

I BEAT OHIO STATE!

I play Road to the CFP; I'm "All-Conference".

I posted a week ago about how I was getting scorched vertically by Ohio State.

I made some tweaks and ran a little more zone and got a 16-7 win at the Horseshoe... despite a glitchy connection making me miss a PAT. I got burned by Jeremiah Smith in match Cover 3... it wasn't the scheme, Smith just made a play. But other than one TE seam route I broke up or picked off (I had at least 5 INTs) every deep ball. Two of my INTs were made by LBs (although in my "Dime Rush" set I use safety Luke Talich as the backer.)

I converted an early INT into a field goal. Then gave up the one score and went into halftime down 7-3.

Marcus Freeman gave a great halftime speech and we came out ready in the second half. A short run by Jeremiyah Love put us up 9-7 (the wif lag caused the missed PAT). Then Jadarian Price ran it in and the PAT put us up 16-7. The opponent quit after this play.

I'm now 4-1 this season. Only loss is in Week 1 against Ohio State.

u/AdZealousideal8645 — 13 days ago

People who do cleans...

Do you do power cleans, hang cleans, rack, box, or other types?

And do you find that you do more on power cleans or hang cleans?

I've always been able to hang clean more than I can power clean. I have a longer torso.

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u/AdZealousideal8645 — 13 days ago
▲ 3 r/matrix

Is the Analyst a combination of the Architect and the Oracle?

So even though both the Architect and the Oracle are seen after the Matrix is rebooted at the end of Revolutions, they don't appear in Resurrections.

The Architect's purpose was to create a mathematically perfect program that would enslave humanity. But he couldn't successfully do so because he couldn't understand the irregularities and irrationality of human behavior. So the Oracle was created to study human behavior and emotion.

It seems that the Analyst does both. He meets with humans, including Neo, to understand human thoughts and behaviors. But he's also the program who created this new Matrix. His final words to Neo and Trinity were a concession that while they were "The Ones" and could modify the Matrix, the vast majority of people plugged in were content with the current system.

Am I way off base?

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u/AdZealousideal8645 — 14 days ago
▲ 18 r/publicdefenders+1 crossposts

Legalization/decriminalization of marijuana and Plain Smell

So I'm a PD in Indiana. We're going to be one of the last states to ever decriminalize or legalize marijuana.

For those of you who practice in states where it's legal, is there solid case law that eliminates the plain smell rule?

As a side note, there is legal hemp that smells identical to marijuana... to the point where dogs can't tell the difference. I would love to challenge a vehicle search on that basis, but I haven't had a client yet who was willing to be a guinea pig since the prosecutor here is pretty soft on marijuana cases.

Personally I've always thought that plain smell was crap. The odor of marijuana can linger in a vehicle eternally.

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u/A_uniqueusername77 — 14 days ago
▲ 11 r/ostomy

Just sharing that, for me, grape juice (I've only used the purple kind... not sure if white grape juice would work) just cleared another blockage for me yesterday (along with some sit-ups).

This has worked for me at least half a dozen times now. It was an ostomy nurse who happened to be in the ER when I had an ileus who told me about that. (For a REALLY bad blockage I need the ER and a catheter.)

Can anyone else attest to grape juice's effectiveness for clearing blockages?

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u/AdZealousideal8645 — 20 days ago

Long story short, this guy decided to go pro se to trial with me as Standby.

After every argument of his was shut down, he asked about a plea. I was appointed as actual counsel.

Now in his pre-sentence report he's claiming innocence again. I'm not going to get into the facts, but they're... how do I put this... damning.

Anyone been in this spot?

UPDATE: So, 3 weeks after pleading and 5 days before sentencing, this clown filed a pro se motion to dismiss. Since I'm his actual counsel now and not standby it's not going to be heard.

There's no actual argument in his motion... it's just a bunch of definitions (including TREASON).

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u/AdZealousideal8645 — 21 days ago

Think about it.

Who brought the Undertaker into the WWF in 1990? (I know Brother Love managed him, but he was part of the Million Dollar Team at Survivor Series.

Who brought Stone Cold Steve Austin (as the Ringmaster) into the WWF?

Austin deliberately lost a match to Savio Vega to get rid of DiBiase.

Who has a lot of money and can pay off anyone?

And no, Ted was not in WCW in 1999.

I mean, Shawn Michaels, Jake the Snake, etc. would have been more interesting than Vince, but I never see Ted talked about.

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u/AdZealousideal8645 — 21 days ago

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45 years old, male, married to my amazing wife. We're in a rough patch and I'm not in a place where I feel comfortable asking for sex. But I'm craving her all the time.

We ARE in therapy and things are going well. It's not a bad marriage. No abuse, no affairs.

Are there any ways to lower (or eliminate) my sex drive without drugs?

Masturbating is not something I'm morally okay with.

Thanks.

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u/AdZealousideal8645 — 22 days ago
▲ 1 r/sex

How do I naturally lower my libido?

45 years old, male, married to my amazing wife. We're in a rough patch and I'm not in a place where I feel comfortable asking for sex. Unf I'm craving her all the time.

Are there any ways to lower (or eliminate) my sex drive without drugs?

Masturbating is not something I'm morally okay with.

Thanks.

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u/AdZealousideal8645 — 22 days ago

Apologies if this has been posted before.

So I play mainly Road to the CFP. I use Notre Dame. I do pretty well. I run the ball well (as I should with Love and Price in the backfield) and I have a pretty good passing attack.

Defensively I'm in man most of the time, usually with single-high safety. I also use some match zones, mainly quarters and sometimes palms depending on the offensive look.

There is one team that I cannot defend against and that's Ohio State. I can have Leonard Moore, the best CB in the country, lined up against Jeremiah Smith WITH safety help over the top and I STILL get burned on vertical routes. Heck, I can bracket him and still get beat. And obviously they have Carnell Tate as well and their TE Max Klare is tough to cover on underneath routes.

I'll get in situations where teams will put Smith as the #3 receiver and despite what I'm calling, I'll have a LB playing against him. Some some of it is me not having the right defense called, but sometimes it's just their receivers making plays.

My base defense is Nickel Over; I'll use some Nickel Load. Against 4-5 receivers I'll use Dime Rush, and I'll often substitute a third safety at LB. We've got a great secondary.

I look at the opponent's run/pass percentages before the game to determine safety depth. I like to bring them up if the opponent likes to run a lot.

I'm wondering if I should blitz more since obviously playing man is getting me burned anyways. I don't get a good pass rush against Ohio State.

Any advice as far as adjustments, personnel changes, coverages? Should I just accept that they have a built in cheat code and make sure I'm putting up points on every possession?

Thanks.

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u/AdZealousideal8645 — 24 days ago