▲ 10 r/vrbo

Could VRBO’s 30-day attribution policy be anticompetitive?

VRBO is changing its TOS so it can claim commission when a guest interacts with a property on VRBO and then books directly with the host within 30 days.

My concern is how VRBO identifies and attributes those direct bookings.

PMSs process reservations from OTAs and direct booking sites through the same underlying infrastructure, and reservation webhooks are not always scoped by source. If an OTA receives data about reservations made outside its platform, it could potentially identify and charge commission on transactions occurring through competing sales channels.

More importantly, a later direct booking does not necessarily mean VRBO generated it. The guest could have found the property again through Google, the host’s marketing, an aggregator, or another source.

I operate an aggregated direct booking platform covering over 214,000 listings. Guests are sent directly to the host’s existing booking site and I take no attribution. To the PMS, it simply looks like a direct booking from the hosts website. If that guest previously interacted with VRBO, VRBO may have no way of knowing which channel actually generated the reservation.

There is a striking parallel with Epic v. Apple. Apple allowed users to leave the App Store and purchase directly from developers, but attempted to collect a commission on those external transactions. Courts found its 27% external-purchase commission, as implemented, had a prohibitive effect.

VRBO similarly allows users to leave its marketplace and book directly while potentially claiming commission on the resulting transaction. The difference is that a later direct booking may not have even been generated by VRBO.

If other major OTAs follow the same model, the antitrust implications become much harder to ignore. Direct bookings could effectively become subject to OTA commissions even when the OTA did not generate the transaction, raising the cost of competing distribution across the entire market.

At some point, attribution stops protecting business an OTA generated and starts taxing business generated through competing channels.

TL;DR: VRBO can claim commission when a guest later books directly, even though that booking could have been generated by the host, Google, or another aggregator. If VRBO uses PMS data to identify and charge commission on those transactions regardless of who generated them, and other OTAs follow the same model, independent distribution becomes increasingly difficult to compete on. Epic v. Apple provides a remarkably similar case to look at.

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u/AllinonNVDA — 11 days ago

Added an MCP to my direct booking search engine

Hey I recently posted about the direct booking search engine I built and thought an MCP would be a cool additional distribution path and fun way for users to plan trips directly with hosts vs Airbnb

You can connect it to ChatGPT or Claude and search stays, listings, and live pricing & availability at 188,000 listings from over 9,000 hosts PMS powered direct booking sites

Endpoint: StayThere.ai/api/mcp

Instructions: StayThere.ai/connect/mcp

If you try it out I’d love to see how it does, thanks!

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u/AllinonNVDA — 1 month ago

Airbnb piloting 6% “direct booking links”

Not sure if this has already been posted but it’s all over LinkedIn. Airbnb over the weekend sent out email to select hosts to pilot a reduced commission “direct booking link” you can send guests to have them book on Airbnb and pay only 6% commission instead of 15.5%

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u/AllinonNVDA — 2 months ago

“Partnership may not align with the current needs of our users.” I will not promote”

Today I got a response from the partnership team at a major software company for my industry after being referred by the president of the company, and head of global events.

No demo, just a paragraph response.

The hard part is that I am a user of their software and listed hundreds of other users of their software that I have personally spoken with that love what I have built and were more than happy to distribute via the search layer I created. It’s fee and commission free, and I built it specifically as a user of the companies software to aggregate other users of the same software onto a shared site and it is completely free to use for both consumer and business side.

Even more frustrating is that a competing company has already publicly partnered with me and been very welcoming the entire time. I also in partner process with multiple of their other competitors as well.

I am trying to think of what their reasoning is. I currently distribute more than 20% of the company’s users listings.

The ones that come to mind are:

-too new of a company (started initial part in February)
-they are internally copying what I’ve built
-I have no revenue to share (currently just free search)
-they just don’t like me

This is the second time I was told to apply. Previously was 4 users 81 listings 6 months ago for the initial, more complex version. They told me to come back when I hit 5-7k listings. I hit that in a week. Then said come back in 6 months.

Well it’s been 6 months and now it’s over 5000 users and 116k listings from just their software and now they tell me to come back in a year.

They make up more than 50% of the total listings so it sucks to not have that trust layer established.

Do they just not like me? Anyone gone through similar?

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u/AllinonNVDA — 2 months ago

“Partnership may not align with the current needs of our users.”

Today I got a response from the partnership team at a major company after being referred by the president of the company, and head of global events.

No demo, just a paragraph response.

The ironic part is that I am a user of their software and listed hundreds of other users of their software that I have personally spoken with that love what I have built and were more than happy to distribute via the search layer I created. It’s fee and commission free, and I built it specifically as a user of the companies software to aggregate other users of the same software onto a shared site and it is completely free to use for both consumer and business side.

Even more frustrating is that multiple companies have already publicly partnered with me.

I am trying to think of what their reasoning is. I currently distribute more than 20% of the company’s users listings.

The ones that come to mind are:

-too new of a company
-they are internally copying what I’ve built
-I currently have no revenue to share (currently just free search)
-they just don’t like me

This is the second time I was told to apply. Previously was 4 users 81 listings 6 months ago for the initial, more complex version. They told me to come back when I hit 5-7k listings. Then said come back in 6 months

Well it’s been 6 months and now it’s over 5000 users and 116k listings from just their software (186k total). They make up more than 50% of the total listings so it sucks to have have that trust layer established.

Do they just not like me?

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u/AllinonNVDA — 2 months ago

I built a direct booking search engine

So far over 176k listings have been added. It pulls data from professional short term rental hosts that use a property management system. I am working on price comparison as they as usually like 10-20% cheaper than Airbnb since it’s their direct booking pricing.

You just search location and dates, see results and book directly with the host.

Thanks,
Wright,
StayThere.ai

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u/AllinonNVDA — 2 months ago

How would you monetize a search engine? “I will not promote”

I’ve been building a search engine for a specific niche. Currently it’s completely free.

Background:

The core location, availability and pricing engine was built with Codex, and my only real monetary cost is the subscription. The other cost is my time adding inventory, although anyone using a supported system can add theirs by simply pasting a URL.

It complements my existing business as an additional discovery layer and has already generated about $130k in revenue for that business.

A transaction that would normally carry a 15.5% platform fee can instead happen directly for roughly the 3% cost of payment processing, without the search engine becoming the merchant of record.

I’m also in the partnership process with several of the supported systems because I already distribute a significant amount of their inventory and they like the idea of a much lighter integration and significantly more privacy than their current legacy distribution channels.

I don’t ever want to charge users a fee or commission on either side of the transaction.

Revenue paths:
-Sponsored/promoted listings
-API access for business and AI agents
-Affiliate revenue (some supported systems have their own payment processors or an internal 1-2% fee)
-advertising around search results
-Referrals for new users to the supported systems
-Additional tooling integrations

Any revenue paths you’d suggest or recommending against?

I’m not in a huge rush to monetize as building trust is much more important to me but it’s a constant question I am asked.

Thanks

TLDR: my search engine will eventually need to make money

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u/AllinonNVDA — 2 months ago

I’m tired of Bookings fees and lack of support so I am building a way to book directly with hosts. No accounts, no commissions, no fees. Just a direct booking search engine to see live pricing and availability and you book with the host

I am a host that lists on Booking, Airbnb, VRBO, and a direct booking website. I use a property management system and I realized I could add other hosts listings to a shared site since it’s a public api call for their booking widgets and it snowballed.

So far I have added 171k listings in over 100 countries since April. It pulls inventory from professional hosts that also use a PMS. Most listing are also on Booking and I’m working on a way to compare pricing against Booking and the other OTAs to add more trust signals.

Search a location and dates to see live pricing and availability then book directly with the host. Would love for yall to search some locations/dates and see if you like it or hate it.

Thanks,
Wright
StayThere.ai

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u/AllinonNVDA — 2 months ago

How would you have handled?

2 guests on the reservation, last night was first of 3.

Took an hour to get a safety team member on the phone, then Airbnb support almost hung up on the police after they mentioned they were recording as well with their body cams.

Finally got it cancelled and went with cops to remove the guests. None of the guys with guns were there luckily.

I am in a permitless 2A state and the cops would only remove if the reservation was cancelled. They recommended forwarding the evidence to the DA but at this time nothing could be done

u/AllinonNVDA — 2 months ago

Guest trying to stay 8 nights for free

First 1 star review for this listing, why do people try when you have photo evidence the unit is clean and of them ignoring a resolution offer of additional/changing units (8 unit property). Can’t wait for Airbnb to not remove it 😂

Had to repost since it wouldn’t let me add the review she gave

u/AllinonNVDA — 2 months ago

Guest trying to stay 8 night for free lol

First 1 star review for this listing, why do people try when you have photo evidence the unit is clean and of them ignoring a resolution offer of additional/changing units (8 unit property). Can’t wait for Airbnb to not remove it 😂

u/AllinonNVDA — 2 months ago

7 day rule

I recently started managing a new unit for an owner and someone just booked until the end of the year and now the average is 50+ nights. It’s a direct booking, anything that can be done? It’s a company that booked the units for some workers and it’s paid in full.

Owner hasn’t seen the reservation yet and was already worried about the rule when the first reservation the unit got was 45 nights.

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u/AllinonNVDA — 3 months ago

Cleaning crew committed mutiny against head cleaner today

Today 5 of the cleaners employed by the cleaning company I use all quit. Then proceeded to call me and offer to continue to clean.

I’ve had one quit and do this before and I didn’t even respond to their offer. This is different though the company only has 9 cleaners, 10 including the owner who also cleans.

I feel like this could be additional revenue stream besides managing the properties by bringing cleaning in house but also with a huge headache of scheduling, invoicing, and payroll. I’m sure a good amount can be automated, but the edge cases and liability are what worry me.

Any PMs out there bring cleaning in house? Any tips?

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u/AllinonNVDA — 3 months ago

I built a search platform to book directly with hosts

Hey everyone I’m a host (rehivestays.com) and I’m tired of OTAs taking our money.

So I built StayThere as a search engine to get live pricing and availability for hosts that use Guesty, Hospitable, Hostaway, Hostfully, Lodgify, OwnerRez (edit) and I’m working on a universal adapter.

You just copy and paste your direct booking sites URL into the add listings button dropdown and in seconds it will load all your listing, add them to the map and be searchable for live pricing and availability.

u/AllinonNVDA — 3 months ago

Special offer flow is very misleading with the new fee structure

The calculator at the bottom says:

Custom Pricing

Guests usually pay $560 for 2 nights before service fees and taxes.

Subtotal:
$

Be sure to factor in any cleaning or extra guest fees. This price overrides other discounts and excludes service fees and taxes

Sounds normal right?

But on the reservation inquiry the potential earning section shows:

2 nights x $271.15 = $542.30

Cleaning fee = $120

Service fee (host) = $102.66

Total USD = $559.64

If I hadn’t noticed and went off that $560 amount it stated I would have priced the special offer $102.66 lower than I intended.

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u/AllinonNVDA — 3 months ago

Help optimizing search

I am looking for some tips to optimize the search engine I am making. Currently there are about 114k listings. The listings have calendars, dynamic pricing, and minimums.

The issue I am having is normalizing the data fast enough. The listings come from roughly 4000 subdomains across 3 primary domains, like user.domainA.com, user.domainB.com, and user.DomainC.com.

Unfortunately for me the initial availability api call for all 3 returns different results:

Domain A: full price including additional fees and taxes

Domain B: price including additional feees, no taxes

Domain C: price, no additional fees and taxes

So currently for B and C there is a second layer of calls to normalize the price but it takes additional time as it’s calling individual listings vs entire user inventory.

Should I just eliminate the additional calls and normalize to optimize for C so that it’s basically just the price no additional fees or taxes or is displaying the final price more important to consumers?

Plenty of sites like Amazon, Shopify, Airbnb, don’t include fees and taxes until you go to checkout but I’ve always not liked that I see a price and when I go to buy it has potential hidden costs. Would love to hear y’all’s thoughts.

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u/AllinonNVDA — 3 months ago

Should Airbnb hide the name of the guest until confirmed?

My cleaner told me that one of the other hosts she cleans for has been denying certain guests based on name. We both agree that’s racist af. Possible to do anything besides report to Airbnb?

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u/AllinonNVDA — 3 months ago

Fee/commission free version of Airbnb, Booking, VRBO “I will not promote”

Sometimes feel like I live in a bubble of positive feedback.

I want to hear from other founders on what you don’t like about the idea.

The site: map of the world with over 100k direct book listings I’ve indexed over the past 3 months. Select dates, see availability, click to pin to see preview, book button leads to pull listing where guests can check out.

I utilize the free direct booking site PM systems offer their hosts and open it within my site for a seamless experience.

I’m not MoR, most hosts don’t even know they are listed on it. Hosts fully own the stay.

Most listings have calendar sync, working on the remaining as well as pricing pass through.

Happy to answer and questions.

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u/AllinonNVDA — 3 months ago