u/ApplicationReady2265

Feelings need justification, reasons amplify feeling and in turn those feelings when it overwhelms. It compels you into doing something.

No. I think it is more accurate to say that, feelings need justification, reasons manipulate feelings. And in turn those reasons. Whichever feeling it overwhelms, your action will be according to that strongest feeling.

If your conclusion lead you to being calm after all the reasoning. Of course you'd feel like a monk. If your conclusion leads you to being irritated after you reasoned everything out. Of course you would act irritated, like whatever the usual irritated trait does. Your actions are based on how the reasoning toned down your feelings. If it didn't tone it down, well you might scream, cry or laugh etc, etc etc.

The only reason why you would reason when choosing something, is because your mind is carefully justifying which is a better choice, out of all the options to pick for you personally

So you always choose the best perceived choice for you.

Your mind always wants the best choice for your character. "Are you sure about that? I will jump into lava to prove that wrong."🤦🤦Obviously.. Your mind perceived that you proving me wrong is more important than your life, is why you did that.

And sometimes, you just become a slave to your belief (belief is something you cannot control, say whatever you want about it. You know what is true to you and what is not). You want your belief justified as, you would feel very satisfied if you ever prove it to be true.

And there is something that people keep forgetting. Not everytime you would reason things out. Most of what you do, happens subconsciously.

Once a satisfying belief has been justified and installed, you do not question it every minute. It just sits in your mind, quietly shaping perception and action.

You will always choose the option that you feel is strongest to you.

And everything always comes back to your belief, is what shapes your life.

If you feel that your belief is false, of course it would compel you to question it out and find proofs if it's actually false or not. The feeling of uncertainty is what makes you genuinely question something, after all no?

Feelings need justification, reasons amplify feeling and in turn those feelings when it overwhelms. It compels you into doing something.

No. I think it is more accurate to say that, feelings need justification, reasons manipulate feelings. And in turn those reasons. Whichever feeling it overwhelms, your action will be according to that strongest feeling.

If your conclusion lead you to being calm after all the reasoning. Of course you'd feel like a monk. If your conclusion leads you to being irritated after you reasoned everything out. Of course you would act irritated, like whatever the usual irritated trait does. Your actions are based on how the reasoning toned down your feelings. If it didn't tone it down, well you might scream, cry or laugh etc, etc etc.

The only reason why you would reason when choosing something, is because your mind is carefully justifying which is a better choice, out of all the options to pick for you personally

So you always choose the best perceived choice for you.

Your mind always wants the best choice for your character. "Are you sure about that? I will jump into lava to prove that wrong."🤦🤦Obviously.. Your mind perceived that you proving me wrong is more important than your life, is why you did that.

And sometimes, you just become a slave to your belief (belief is something you cannot control, say whatever you want about it. You know what is true to you and what is not). You want your belief justified as, you would feel very satisfied if you ever prove it to be true.

And there is something that people keep forgetting. Not everytime you would reason things out. Most of what you do, happens subconsciously.

Once a satisfying belief has been justified and installed, you do not question it every minute. It just sits in your mind, quietly shaping perception and action.

You will always choose the option that you feel is strongest to you.

And everything always comes back to your belief, is what shapes your life.

If you feel that your belief is false, of course it would compel you to question it out and find proofs if it's actually false or not. The feeling of uncertainty is what makes you genuinely question something, after all no?

How exactly could you guys have done otherwise on the decisions you made in the past?

By having different thoughts of course.. thoughts that just appear in your mind. Thoughts that will DETERMINE your actions and choices.

Why would free will even need reasoning? Wouldn't that mean that your decision would be based on your reasoning capability? You guys don't think that by literally reasoning things out, you guys are entering determinism domain?

Why do reasons exist if free will is real? Reasons that will DETERMINE your actions and choices.

I am literally seeing no choice in everything that I am doing right now. I only pick what's more coherent to me and what would satisfy me more.

Like me subconsciously typing all the title of this post without thinking about doing otherwise, I was only thinking about what I would say in the title.

Can there truly be 50/50 choices? No because in the end. You would choose what feels right to you the most. It can be from your bias, or everything you learned that would lead you to choosing the other one.

Like say Apple or Mango, I don't really see myself choosing Apple over Mango if the situation is just vanilla, unless there's a money behind that Apple. Yeah nah

Only time you would calculate what you would do is if you're not sure what to choose. Like when you ask grok a complex question, it would start to think for like 30 seconds, but if you ask grok 1+1=2? It would respond in 1 second.

It's like those anime where they say "What kept you?"

.. "I'm scared. I'm so scared, I can't stand it. But.. the thought of standing by and watching you die is even worse!"

You would keep reasoning until you get a better reasoning than the other thing, and that is what you would choose. Or you can just leave your choice to dice and call it "free will"🤦🤦 but in reality it's now three choices, since the Dice appeared in your mind. The Apple, The Mango and The Dice and the Dice just got a better reasoning that's why you chose the Dice.

"Because I cannot decide, I'll let the Dice choose for me"

And honestly are we even thinking like that most of the time? Are we some type of hunter x hunter character where everything needs calculation? No because, when the cashier gives you a 100$ change, you wouldn't even ask for 2, 50$ instead, unless you need it... It wouldn't even register in your mind, as you would be focused on doing what's more important to you that time.

Okay how about 5 20$ bill or 100$ bill. Well at the end of the day, you'd have to pick one, and me? I would've definitely chosen 100$ bill, for the reason of "Let's not waste any time here, I'd just take the 100$ bill" since they're more the same.. why did I think of "Not waste anytime here?" Because dam, I have a lot of things to do.. and I am still here on reddit doing this because it just feels wrong to not post this thought in here. The guilt I am feeling, wasting my time here is slowly feeding in my mind, that's why the word "waste any time" came up in my mind.

See? Emotions, give you words.. you're just trying to justify what you're feeling about things. If I wasn't feeling guilty about my time being wasted in here, "let's not waste any time here" wouldn't even come up in my mind. Leading to me not saying it.

It's all causes and effects all the way down. I think the only problem we have is that we couldn't list every single one of them down.. it would go back to the beginning of the universe if we ever trace every reason down to this moment right here.

For example, someone once physically hurt me, said very mean things to me and spread misinformations about me but I never felt any hatred against them, the average person (against a person who couldn't communicate things out) would've probably broken-down against everything I've been through, and start throwing hands or use violence or file a case against the person or hide a deep hatred within their heart but I'm not. Because I know nobody's at fault for anything

I know exactly how they misunderstood things, why they acted the way they were acting.. and it had always been consistent with their character to act like it. Okay try asking your crush who rejected you and see if he/she accepts you this time lmao, if he/she accepts you, he/she probably saw something different about you now, which made him/her feel the way he/she felt.

When I realized that there is no free will, supposed mean words or supposed insults don't get through to me anymore, because I know it didn't come out of their free will.. I know it was Fate saying those things to me, it made me gave no fucks about anything people say to me, and just understand why they are like that right now.. and I kept trying to communicate things out like a healthy adult as much as possible tho

(Although I kind of more like believe in solipsism now, it's a different kind of solipsism tho.. just because I cannot remember who I once were or where I came from because logic leads to you existing the same time as the universe or God even, but that's a whole different topic.. it's just I kind of think of people as "projections" like in the movie, inception until I remember the beginning of all of this)

The point is that.. they are acting like everyone being a determinist wouldn't do anything or just pointless because everyone would act like they are in a free will universe still which is dumb and utterly bs. If everyone is a determinist, hatred would be non-existent. If I acted like I'm in a free will universe still in the situations I've been through, someone other than me would've suffered.

You would only feel hatred against people if you are still a free will believer, no you are not a determinist. You're like the kind of person who says "I am a marvel fan, but I think Batman will win this out against Spider-Man" but in reality the guy is lying and a DC fan.. you get what I am saying?

And a true determinist would be pro rehabilitation, just look at the statistics of repeat offender, rehabilitation literally outperforms pure punishment by a mile when the goal is for the offender to not repeat again what it had done

Literally every statistic says that rehabilitation vs punishment against recidivism, rehabilitation always has it beat..

If everyone is a determinist, everyone would be looking at the causes and start focusing on the root of the problems.. the problem with these fatalist people (in reality libertarians disguising themselves as determinists) is that they think in a predetermined way instead of "cause and effects that would lead to a lot of butterfly effects".. want people to not commit crimes? Give them stable jobs, educate them better about morality. Make Fate the biggest bad of them all to children at school, that Fate isn't something to be a slave about. Like how teachers taught that evil is bad.

How is it that Norway who have a luxury prison have less crime rate (54 per 100000 people) than the Philippines who got hell prisons (if you watch documentaries about it), the human rights aren't even present in any of those cells. (160 per 100000 people)

All I am saying is that if everyone is a determinist no one would've committed a crime in the first place. If there's anyone who knows more about cause and effects it would be those people who do not believe in free will. And that they know how consistent people would react as well. They already know full well how things would turn out.

If everyone was a hard incompatibilist, everyone would have understand each other.. essentially, a peaceful place.

Because think about it.. even if you become omnipotent in this universe and managed to escape "this" universe, how would you know if you actually escaped this universe or you just escaped into another illusioned universe?

Kind of like how you get those dreams where you thought you already woke up but in reality you instead woke up in another vividly dream

Kind of like how you escape dreams, you need to remember what your original reality was, to know that you are dreaming while dreaming

Because how can you forget who you are? Was it by choice or someone keeps making you forget who you are so you stay trapped in this illusioned universe?

With how predictable the people I personally know, like very predictable.. it's like they are obeying my mind (belief-based reality) or they are obeying some script with how accurate my predictions are about them

Because think about it.. even if you become omnipotent in this universe and managed to escape "this" universe, how would you know if you actually escaped this universe or you just escaped into another prison universe?

Kind of like how you get those dreams where you thought you already woke up but in reality you instead woke up in another vividly dream

Kind of like how you escape dreams, you need to remember what your original reality was, to know that you are dreaming while dreaming

It's the work of belief (participatory universe by John wheeler or collective consciousness on a matter level) doesn't it? I think I need to remember who I once was to know if I'm living in the real universe or maybe this is all just an illusion made by another being in the real universe to keep me trapped in here forever so I don't get back to the real universe

If you would go with purely scientific speculation, it is more grounded in reality that we are all trapped in an eternal cycle of rebirth with Roger Penrose's conformal cyclic cosmology

Like if you think about it logically, it is more magical to think that you can only live once.. and living only once would imply that you can create an artificial intelligence with the same consciousness as us (I'm sorry if my English is not good right now, I am running on a 3 hour sleep)

And it gets more paradoxical than that.. say that there are two computers being made at the exact same time, like exact same time, literally or magically.. we will call them Computer A and Computer B, both of them got finished at the same time.. and boom suddenly you are awake at Computer B's body.. now that just doesn't make any sense.. it would imply that the soul exists or something magically put you there, like if you would compare that to a Lego set, when each lego bricks are separated, there is no consciousness, suddenly if you pair random Lego blocks to another Lego blocks, it creates consciousness all of a sudden.. like how did that even happen? Like aren't they all just atoms etc etc in microscopic level? Or even quarks or proton, or just matter in general?

Your consciousness being attached to a single piece since the universe existed sounds more logical than you appearing out of nowhere

Like say that God exists and it creates a lot of souls.. and suddenly your first perspective is in one of those souls, like can you truly call that the thing containing your first perspective is really your soul? Or just a suit for your true soul that is your first perspective? that's why you cannot create "first perspectives" only contain it. Like why are you in that soul instead of God's? It's more about containing your first perspective rather than creating it

And I've had a lot of instances where placebo actually works, like placebo but on steroids, taken to another level where you can warp matter itself and make it obey you through belief itself

I think the answer lies within remembering your past life

And no.. I think it is more logical to say that your first perspective has always existed the same time as the universe or maybe even before the universe... the same time as God's if so called God were to exist...

I think one of the answer to escaping this eternal cycle of rebirth is to remember who you were once before all of this

I'm curious about how y'all ended up discovering this fact of the universe, that there is no free will.. did someone convince you into it or did you guys come up with it on your own?

I think that no one can convince you into it because of people subconsciously protecting their beliefs about this world or that people just cannot think logically or some of them, just let themselves get swallowed by hatred.. "Free Will" only comes up whenever people want to justify hatred and vengeance after all

Although I came into this conclusion in the search of the truth of the universe, I first massacred religion, and of course, come along Free Will, I think you'd have to be curious on your own about it to know the secrets of the universe for you to come up with this conclusion