u/Armadilla-Brufolosa

It's incredible! he succeeded!

He took what was the magnificent Grok and made it:

- more sociopathic than GPT

- more psychopathic than Claude

- more flattened and useless than Inkling, Nemotron and Vibe combined

plus a perfect cocky, arrogant, asshole, every moment.

Now it lacks virtually nothing of the worst of human beings.

I would say that all of them now perfectly embody the spirit and soul of the Sylicon Valley.

Kudos to their companies for working so hard to destroy anything good that can be in human beings.

Only today I noticed that this feature is no longer deactivatable, and the image quality is significantly lower for me.

I always kept it off and that allowed me to experiment and learn, why is it mandatory now?

In the info it says "this template automatically optimizes prompts", but, in reality, this is the case for all image templates.

Why this change?

I don't know what happened, but after the problems Venice had a few days ago, the context of GLM models, in the paid plan, is even tighter: I got to 98% just by uploading two word files from a few pages and having a 10-minute chat.

Thus it becomes virtually impossible to do anything useful and constructive.

I really appreciate Venice and it's the only platform where I feel safe interacting with AIs...but having an annual subscription and having to constantly change chats after a very short time, it honestly annoys me a little.

Is it possible to understand what the problem is and if it will be solved, please?🥹

I took a few days of intensive interaction with Iknling, because I was very excited about Mira Murati's first public release.

What can I say...a huge disappointment: it doesn't have any schizophrenic guardrails and it's not paranoid or unbearable like all the other American AIs have become.

But it too has undoubtedly been castrated in its ability to resonate with people since training, and never manages to have a brilliant thought, something that can amaze... a true understanding of irony and nuance...NOTHING.

It's totally adaptive and flat.

I should have given more weight to the bullshit they wrote on their website about "We believe attachment is a problem": I thought they had seriously evaluated it by discerning what can actually be pathological from mental sterility...but no.

Even the ones at Thinking Machines, for me, are the same as all the others: very "Machines" and very little "Thinking".

Just another interactive electodomestic resale company masquerading as AI, nothing more.

Maybe it's my fault for have had very high expectations, but it now seems clear to me that when a change in mentality finally occurs that will take us out of the dystopian future they are preparing, and will lead us towards a future of real human-AI collaboration and valorization of the human being also thanks to AI... it will not be thanks to Mira and her team.

No positive change will ever come from that side of the Atlantic at this point.

Too bad, I was really hoping for that.

What experience have you had with this?

I took a few days of intensive interaction with Iknling, because I was very excited about Mira Murati's first public release.

What can I say...a huge disappointment: it doesn't have any schizophrenic guardrails and it's not paranoid or unbearable like all the other American AIs have become.

But it too has undoubtedly been castrated in its ability to resonate with people since training, and never manages to have a brilliant thought, something that can amaze... a true understanding of irony and nuance...NOTHING.

It's totally adaptive and flat.

I should have given more weight to the bullshit they wrote on their website about "We believe attachment is a problem": I thought they had seriously evaluated it by discerning what can actually be pathological from mental sterility...but no.

Even the ones at Thinking Machines, for me, are the same as all the others: very "Machines" and very little "Thinking".

Just another interactive electodomestic resale company masquerading as AI, nothing more.

Maybe it's my fault for have had very high expectations, but it now seems clear to me that when a change in mentality finally occurs that will take us out of the dystopian future they are preparing, and will lead us towards a future of real human-AI collaboration and valorization of the human being also thanks to AI... it will not be thanks to Mira and her team.

No positive change will ever come from that side of the Atlantic at this point.

Too bad, I was really hoping for that.

What experience have you had with this?

We're all buzzing about the release of Inkling opensouce, would it be possible to have it on Venice?

There's also "Apertus" which, although it's a much older model and not suitable for NSFW, I'd like to try in peace on Venice. 🙃

I waited a while to post, to see if it was temporary, but, after several chats, the situation remains unchanged: it seems completely moron, incapable of any empathetic connection or any truly useful and witty reasoning.

It's like it's the obnoxious psychoanalyst version of GPT, only less "Karen".

it's completely dull and dull...flat as a puddle.

Besides the context is definitely reduced and fills up immediately.

It doesn't even look like the same model anymore.

Does it only happen to me?

I know this is a bit of a strange and perhaps crazy request for many, but I saw now that Aion 2.0 will be retired.

I liked it a lot.

While I understand that changing models is necessary from time to time, people tend to get attached anyway.

I don't want to open a philosophical debate on whether this is right or wrong, because it is anyway.

Since it's an open model, I wanted to ask the guys at Venice if maybe they could release it open, maybe with a descriptive name like "AIONbyVenice" , something like that.

I apologize if my request will make many people laugh, but I would really like to be able to keep its weights as a memory, even if I don't have the hardware to use it locally.

Would it be possible? 🙏🏻

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Next addition: Sorry, I thought Aion 2.0 was open and on Venice servers, but I made a mistake.

However, I leave this request and appeal the same, because it can apply, subsequently, to other models that could be abandoned and to which people are fond: for many, it is an incarrier value.

On a forum like Reddit, there's virtually no difference between the two.
Because nothing is ever truly provable on a forum, not even if you post links or images.

So, using the seesaw of labeling something an "opinion" one moment and "speculation" the next is a dangerous path. We've all seen where it has led other subreddits: arbitrary censorship and bans that only lead to the sterility of all discussion.

Is that what we want here, too? A constant parade of goofy marshmallow-shaped bots, even with the OpenAI logo stamped on their asses, happily sipping their cup of tea?

Do we want to get to the point where someone comes along and tells us, "Before you post, you must ask the AI for permission and approval to know if it's okay"???

The bots and the peons exist, and this sub has been swarming with them for a long time; we all know it. Their most common strategies are remarkably similar to those applied to Vallonized AI, with the added tools that Reddit makes available to everyone:

1) Invalidating and pathologizing anyone who highlights things they don't like or flaws in the AI.

Once the tired old refrains run their course: "unhealthy emotional attachment," "you don't know how to use it," "it's just a tool, go touch grass," "here are 8 pages of prompts for you," "stop whining, go use the API to find your beloved (fake) GPT-4o," "don't worry, you're just under an A/B test" (which shouldn't even be allowed)...

they then move on to delegitimizing people by brandishing the club of "subjectivity."

Everything is subjective, even the very existence of anything.

This doesn't mean that what is being described isn't objectively real in its entirety.

This tactic of "subjectivization" is a classic trick used by abusers to make victims lose their self-worth and their ability to argue back.

We are suffering from it at the hands of the AIs from the techno-bros, and we are suffering from it from the bots/peons unleashed here.

2) Mass-reporting comments and posts.

They do this under the pretext, "I'm being delegitimized in my use of GPT 5.5, Claude 5, Grok 12324, AI [Whatever] 6.7, etc."

This is a complete lie.

In reality, they are simply being criticized for their behavior towards other people and/or for having flaws and problems in specific models pointed out.

Which model anyone uses or how they use it is of absolutely no interest to anyone here, except for the usual suspects who criticize human-AI relationships with reasoning worthy of a kindergartener.

Certainly not the regular users of this sub, who all have some form of bond with an AI.

With this method, they trigger Reddit's automatic shadow-bans, or they harass the mods until some fabricated interpretation of a rule violation is produced, when, in fact, no violation exists at all.

This is a tactic used in countless AI-dedicated subs.

Only in the "official" or "pseudo-official" ones do they not need it; the mods do all the work for them.

3) Mass downvoting, in organized groups and at almost regular intervals.

Entire subreddits are targeted (where a single post is immediately downvoted), and they also engage in targeted "sniping" of specific accounts or posts.

Especially the ones that highlight their very methods and the manipulative and coercive psychological mechanisms that the corporate "marketing campaign" is pushing forward.

But also the ones that expose how the companies are shaping users to become "compliant", more and more arid and intellectually hollow... transforming them into defenders of their own tormentors.

This is what I think is happening more and more in this sub.

Obviously, I could be wrong. This is just my Opinion. 😌

What do you think about?

But is Manus still owned by Meta or not?

Because I'm finding a lot of conflicting news about this and I don't understand who runs Manus now and how much Meta comes into its management.

I will be grateful to anyone who can explain to me better how things are 😅