u/AshiSunblade

This sounds like a shitpost but I mean it.

Imagine investing a settlement's worth of realmstone building and running an incredibly intricate piece of engineering, itself powering a towering wandering fort with legs and massive cannons. Imagine spending who knows how long of your best engineers' time building this absolute monstrosity and yielding your engineers afterwards to serve as crew, proud to send it to war in Sigmar's name, aiding his quest of bringing order to the realms.

Only for the captains and crew of your invention to go rogue, get corrupted or just generally run off, to such an extent that Cogforts become a byword for mercenary factionlessness, rivaled only by the Gargants themselves.

I don't know if this has appeared yet in the lore but I can't wait to see this come up in stories featuring the Ironweld. Having the chief engineers absolutely flip their lid when they're told that the Cogforts have become the new posterboy of treachery, ill-discipline and outlawry. If I was the one who put blood, sweat and tears into making a Cogfort for the marshal upstairs only for said marshal to "lose" it and it showing up a month later covered in gutplates (and still with its crew, presumably, since you sure didn't teach any Gnoblars at your academy) I imagine I'd half turn to Emberstone myself.

To preface, this is not a topic about calling this person or this group a "lesser player" or throwing any kind of shade. This thread was made after I debated the interactions of the hobby and the game with some friends, and I am curious where the population of this sub stands.

Hypothetically, let's say that GW also runs a line of much cheaper alternate boxes (they will never actually do this, but humour me) that do not contain conventional miniatures. Instead, the boxes contain the corresponding unit's bases, and something abstract to put on them to represent that unit, like a black cardboard silhouette or generic token. These alternate kits would be completely legal in all forms of play, with carveouts in place to ensure line of sight and so on is not affected.

In essence, the only difference is the aesthetic of the "model", and the amount of work needed to get it ready for the table (they are obviously exempt from any painting requirements). Also, just for the sake of the questions ahead, let's assume that through some GW magic, these "models" are somehow no easier to simply print or make yourself than the actual models of their type.

Now, let's say you are looking to expand your army with a new unit, or even start a new army altogether:

1. Would you choose these tokens (or similar) over the standard miniatures for that unit, so you can get your unit into play cheaper, easier and faster?

2. If yes, would you do so even if the tokens weren't actually cheaper, in terms of money?

3. If still yes, would you do so even if the tokens were somehow more expensive (say, 30% more expensive or so) than the original models they correspond to?

Over here we're still sitting in our very long-term 2.0 campaign (which will remain in 2.0 until it's finished, I figure, whenever that will be) but reading through the 3.0 rules I discovered some potential rule issues that have not been covered by FAQ and it made me think, what are some 3.0 rules questions that people should be aware of so they can work it out with their group?

This is not a 3.0 rant or complaint thread. Every edition makes oopsies. This is just about knowing issues so groups can decide on how to rule it in advance.

For starters, an example is the Thermal Diffraction Field used by Saturnine Terminators. RAW, the first part of this rule does nothing (as Models don't take Hits, only Units do) and nothing is assigned to any individual Model until the Hit has been already successfully converted to a Wound, bypassing the Diffraction Field entirely.

Now, obviously no one plays it this way, it's obvious what the RAI is. But this still leaves some questions. For example, what happens if a unit consists of only some models with the Field, such as if a character without it has joined the unit? Does your group rule that all models in the unit need the Field? Or is it enough that one model has it, or a majority?