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▲ 1 r/MalaysianExMuslim

Difference between islamphobic and critique and trauma towards islam

Islamophobia

- Hating or fearing Muslims simply because they are Muslim

- Refusing to understand Islam and only wanting to attack or mock it

- Judging all Muslims based on the actions of a few people

Critique

- Understanding certain Islamic teachings or practices but disagreeing with them logically, morally, or personally

- Questioning religious rules, beliefs, history, or cultural practices

- Pointing out ideas or actions that may be harmful mentally, physically, or emotionally

Religious Trauma

- Experiencing emotional, mental, physical, or cultural harm connected to religion

- Fear of hell, punishment, or eternal suffering because of religious teachings

- Being harmed by religious people or environments and struggling with fear, guilt, or confusion afterward

- Feeling unsafe or distressed in toxic or controlling religious surroundings

- Avoiding religious discussions, spaces, or reminders because they trigger anxiety or fear

It would be understandable to use your experience/trauma as critique as long it logical argument or feeling it permissible in Islam

If you hate on Islam for no reason you're islamphobic. Criticizing Islam, questioning teachings, or disagreeing with religious rules is not automatically Islamophobic.

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u/AssociateBig2266 — 2 days ago
▲ 34 r/exmuslim

What with racism towards Indians in Islam?

Yeah people in different religion say this too but whenever someone claim to be ex-muslim, criticize Islam , they would call mock them indian.

I'm not indian but seriously, why? Isn't like India 2nd religion is Islam?

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u/AssociateBig2266 — 2 days ago
▲ 14 r/exmuslim

Why does Muslims shame on non Muslim foods, stores, places so bad even they're in multi religion country?

So basically this may by experience, I live in a Muslim majority country but there also people in different religions. Technically I feel they're are shaming on non Muslims stuffs even though nobody encourage them.

Why are they felt so threatened? Like "Someone trying to open bar in our neighborhood store... there will bunch of drunkards. Ugh, why would they open here? ". Considering my town is multi races and obvious multi religions neighborhood. They shame on them so fast. Not saying all but most of them were like that.

Yeah, it can be annoying but like don't shut people down just for your religion. Your religion rules only apply to you.

People 'respect' Muslims so bad they literally separate stuffs for your religion. For example, separate between halal and non halal chicken. And they thought it would be funny to fear them with stupid jokes like "is the plastic halal". No it's not funny.

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u/AssociateBig2266 — 2 days ago
▲ 7 r/exmuslim

"You're hating on Islam but your celebrities is a Muslim"

Bro just shut the fuck up.... Genuinely if it a different forms would you still say for the same? Like no I'm not hating everyone because they're is a Muslim. I hate on Islam because it misogyny, oppressive and maybe to me illogical.

Let's say...

"You're hating on satan but your celebrities is a satanist"

or

"You're hating on bad person but your celebrities is a bad person"

Not saying satanist is a bad thing but some of they prob would reject the idea

These type of people rage baited me so bad. They're kind of a hypocrites. Like we can just separate artist from their art. Don't get me started how pathetic they are when white or a black person converted.

Yeah bro, Muhammad Ali converted to islam. I totally watch bro for their religion instead of their talents.

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u/AssociateBig2266 — 3 days ago
▲ 6 r/exmuslim

"Quran won't ever change or updated"

Then proceed to add Hadith.

The fact that Quran isn't 100% written by Muhammad, but by memorization of his followers . How could Muslims believe in Quran because the Quran was written both when Muhammad was alive and dead? How can he verify?

Hadith, does Muhammad even know the existence of Hadith? I don't think Hadith is necessary if Quran is the holy book, the truth of existence ACCORDING to Islam/ Muslims.

There more and more compilation of Hadith that Muhammad as they call him the messenger of god unable to verify because he is dead.

Some part of muslims reject the idea of rejecting Hadiths. But isn't it just kinda broke the images of Quran that supposed to be the only true holy books? They shouldn't be explaination of Quran. If it the most correct holy book then they should put wtv in the Hadith into the Quran before calls it complete.

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u/AssociateBig2266 — 3 days ago
▲ 373 r/exmuslim

She represent how Islam covers a culture so well

Our culture, identity and a tradition.

This is why some part of people rejected the idea of Islam and they are able to keep their culture and traditions alive. My country now label our old tradition clothes, our tradition dances is Haram. It is very sad how my culture now separated in some ways, add Islam modified and makes our tradition feels fake these day

u/AssociateBig2266 — 5 days ago
▲ 26 r/MalaysianExMuslim

Update

You can see how he is ignorance and attacking o christianity

I'm agnostic

I will speak it out by pages

Page1, remember this. My dad said we shouldn't attack the religion because of a person.

I am openly left Islam to my some of friends. Since I used to be a former Christian, I did explain the trinity and they said it understandable just they don't believe it. That is how we show respect. If you only believe in Quran, blinded by the words against other religions then it's going nowhere.

Page2, war. What really the point of war? Either way you will kill your Soilders, accidentally kill innocent people. No I'm not any sides. But if you did do such a thing then there is no difference. "But they don't start it" so? It doesn't really give any benefits but pain.

Page3, I pretty much have a good reason why I think it's not true. He just never reply it. I'll reply with another comment since it might reset

Page4, same of my thoughts and comment on page1.

Page5,

يٰۤـاَيُّهَا الَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوْۤا اِنْ تُطِيْعُوا الَّذِيْنَ كَفَرُوْا يَرُدُّوْكُمْ عَلٰۤى اَعْقَا بِكُمْ فَتَـنْقَلِبُوْا خٰسِرِيْنَ

"Wahai orang-orang yang beriman! Jika kamu mentaati orang-orang yang kafir, niscaya mereka akan mengembalikan kamu ke belakang (murtad), maka kamu akan kembali menjadi orang yang rugi." (QS. Ali 'Imran 3: Ayat 149)

this ayat explain how you shouldn't respect other religion. Is that really peaceful?

Page6, explain because a person is bad dosent mean their entire religion is bad.

فَجَعَلَهُمْ جُذٰذًا اِلَّا كَبِيْرًا لَّهُمْ لَعَلَّهُمْ اِلَيْهِ يَرْجِعُوْنَ

"Maka dia (Ibrahim) menghancurkan (berhala-berhala itu) berkeping-keping, kecuali yang terbesar (induknya); agar mereka kembali (untuk bertanya) kepadanya." (QS. Al-Anbiya 21: Ayat 58)

Explain how they destroy a figure of different beliefs.

Page7, Which is why I need to remind you reread page1 of my thoughts. Gaslighting me of how people in different religion convert to Islam as if it never happened otherwise. Probably because it invalid to him

Page8, attacking the majority of religion of different country. Again with the "it's not the religion its the person"

Page9, gaslighting me with "Oh but Malaysia didn't do it" as if destroying back then is okay.

Page10, Islam shari'a laws was less ketat berbanding other country where you have NO choice but follow Islamic practice. Iran for example, alot Iranians I met hate sharia laws and their former president.

Page11, explaining how Christianity is wrong which dosent make Islam any right

Page12, of course people leave and go religions. But he acts like no one ever leave islam.

Page13, yeah no, move on, I openly left for 3 years. I seen too much videos like this

u/AssociateBig2266 — 13 days ago
▲ 42 r/MalaysianExMuslim

Update

Update, You can see by my dad ignorance towards what Islam did, instead attacking Christianity as if that changes anything.

Im F17, Agnostic

My reply in every pages but I won't tell my dad because of how ignorance he is...

Page 1, as a former Christ believer the concept is understandable as long as you don't hate it. Why? Because I told some of my friends they totally understand how trinity works and respect, just don't believe in it. If you believe in it, then it's logic for YOU. But if you want to ignore the fact, and believe in your holy book and it says it was corrupted, a million debate nothing would change.

Page 2, Alot Iranians I know/met hate their own president. It a war. Of course there would be crushed buildings which I don't support it. Either way, both war always ends up killing innocent people even they don't mean to. Again, with Palestine and Israel. I hated this topic. Not supporting Israel but I'm just sick of this topic.

Page 3, hard to tell because he didn't say specific topics. I did not "fitnah". He never replied to the conversation where I said why I don't believe in Islam and why I think it's wrong. He also believed I copied and pasted which isn't. Every topics when it comes to Islam, I researched about it.

Page 4, again , my thoughts on page 1.

Page 5, same thought as page 1, page 4. Ignorance. Attacking Christianity did not make Islam any better

Page 6,

- فَجَعَلَهُمْ جُذٰذًا اِلَّا كَبِيْرًا لَّهُمْ لَعَلَّهُمْ اِلَيْهِ يَرْجِعُوْنَ

"Maka dia (Ibrahim) menghancurkan (berhala-berhala itu) berkeping-keping, kecuali yang terbesar (induknya); agar mereka kembali (untuk bertanya) kepadanya."

(QS. Al-Anbiya 21: Ayat 58)

He didn't even research himself I'm guessing . Ignore the fact I got both assaulted and sexually assaulted by ustazah

Page 7, He mentioned just because there bad people in Islam that dosent mean the whole religion is bad itself yet attacking figures from another country, makes them bad just because they isn't a muslim. Gaslighting how people in Christianity go to Islam as if there no one did it in other way

Page 8, same thoughts as page 7. Slutshaming me while I'm clean for 2 years. Again with the "do not blame the religion but the person"

Page 9, twist it how Malaysia didn't do it as if whatever in the past happened is valid

Page 10, same as page 9, reply with my comment of page 6

Page 11, again, attacking Christianity as if it changes that Quran is equally violence

Page 12, comment wit page 7

Page 13, again he though I cherry picked information while I use the same discussion I did on reddit yet he didn't reply upon the text

u/AssociateBig2266 — 13 days ago
▲ 49 r/MalaysianExMuslim

Update (repost sbb lupa blur nama)

Context they thought I was a Christian

The long text is from

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/s/eIi6f7IUQI

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/s/jOWeKSGuna

both my discussion

Me and my dad both used to be religious, but I ends up leaving. I Johorean Sekolah Agama until f2. Related because I'm trying to explain that I am knowledgeable about Islam but wouldn't say I'm perfect

When he was show me off Islam debates, I'm here on reddit discussing about this discussion because it more of safer space

I wish I could explain about feminism but my dad aren't one cuz considering he told me to study because I can actually just get married right now (tahun ni I SPM). How he told me I should know how to cook for my future husband.

Yeah I used to believe in Christ for few months but then stopped because they kind of rooted and some unlogical explaination in both Quran and Bible

u/AssociateBig2266 — 13 days ago
▲ 57 r/MalaysianExMuslim

I was sent to religious therapy camp few months ago and this what happened

Earlier years, before I openly that I left Islam my mom actually sent me to actually therapy where it all medical than religious. I also been diagnosed with psychiatrist that I have MDD (Major Depressive Disorder) and social anxiety at 12-13. I stopped going at 14 for no reason basically my mom just stopped bringing me there and I stopped eating pills. Few months later I had to stay in kids asylum(?) basically I had to stay there around 1-2 weeks because I tried to commit suicide.

Then I never go there until now.

Last year I mentioned about mental health and she said that she wanted me to join therapy camp. Who thought it would be a religious therapy camp which I already openedly left Islam this time. With my sister too and she ask my mom "Umi, camp ni tak religious kan?" astu my mom said "Takla, tak religious langsung". So we don't think much about it.

Guess what. When we got there you can obviously tell how Islamic sculpture look like. I feel sick. It is a therapy camp but I kind of have problem with a Islamic therapy.

The moment I got in obviously I was upset. In the camp there kids and teenagers who. I think it less than 20 but yk, kids. Then someone came to me and told me that she was a therapist. But then she tried to urut my shoulder which I feel uncomfortable and I freaked out and I pushes her hand off me. She grab the mic and said "Kita mestilah jangan jadi berlagak. Sentuh pun tak boleh." Like fuck yeah you CANNOT touch me just because we both is the same gender. I got groomed before and I'm pansexual so I see both gender equally. Just because you are the same gender as me, that does not mean I'm comfortable.

Then we are supposed to go somewhere else but then there this ustazag stopped me and said that the therapist was waiting for me in her room. So I have no choice to come to there.

And as someone who mentally unstable I am disgusted every second I was in there. She said mental illness dosent exist and we just made it up because of setan and jinn, how Allah make everyone 'sempurna'. I told her I was mad because I thought the therapy camp is like the professional ones. She said professional therapist who give pills to their patients is stupid. All we have to do it pray to Allah.

Maybe my mom told her. She told me that my mom told her I haven't pray for a very long time. For all hours of our session feels like a bullshit. She keep saying about agama, how the near is end etc you name it.

Then she ask me do I watch video lucah. I lied that I stopped. Then she talk about her her child do it too, and cut herself now she find God she is all better which is kinda disgusting to hear.

I lied I been on my period to avoid praying. And then this came. She ask me to say the shada 3 times. I said it. Yeah I know it dosent count if I actually dosent mean it but this got me so crazy. I'm trying so hard not to act like I left Islam.

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u/AssociateBig2266 — 15 days ago
▲ 229 r/exmuslim

That statement is too general to count as a clear prediction. Many societies end up competing in building taller structures, especially with economic growth, so it doesn’t necessarily point as a predection

Tall buildings in places like Dubai are explained by economics and global competition, not necessarily by fulfilling a prophecy.

Quran may be not changed but then there shouldn't be any Hadiths.

The Big Bang theory comes from scientific evidence, not the Qur’an. Some verses can be interpreted to match it, but that’s a matter of belief, not scientific proof.

On top of that both the Qur’an and the Bible are have scientific claims. Claims of scientific miracles usually come from interpreting vague verses after modern discoveries, so it’s more about belief than actual scientific proof.

Muhammad may have more detailed reports about his daily life through hadith, but that doesn’t automatically make him the most reliably documented

u/AssociateBig2266 — 17 days ago