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So, professor mentioned that since 1945 there has been zero direct war between great powers.

and i just sat there like. wait.

because waltz literally argued that nuclear weapons make states MORE cautious as the stakes become too high for recklessness. and looking at history it's hard to disagree. Europe was starting a catastrophic great power war every generation for 500 years straight. then nukes arrive and it just... stops.

but here's what's actually bothering me.... if that's true, then the stability isn't coming from institutions or democracy or economic interdependence. it's coming from the threat of mutual annihilation.

and sagan's counter haunts me too. we came within ONE person's decision of nuclear war three separate times: arkhipov in the cuban missile crisis, petrov in 1983, the norway rocket in 1995. so is the "long peace" actually MAD working? or is it MAD working plus getting incredibly lucky multiple times?

and let's say if it's partly luck how long does luck hold in a world with nine nuclear states instead of two?

genuine question..... what actually keeps great power peace if not the threat of mutual destruction?

So, we finished the Four Great Debates section today.

The standard story goes like this. After WWI scholars believed that if we built the right institutions, educated people well, and created international law, states could learn to cooperate and avoid war. Then WWII happened, the League of Nations collapsed, and a new generation of scholars said, look, the world does not work that way. Power and national interest drive everything. The idealists were naive dreamers(metaphysicians of Geneva) and realism is how politics actually works. Clean story.

Except our instructor mentioned something almost in passing today that I have not been able to stop thinking about.

The First Great Debate was not really a debate in the way we imagine it. The so-called idealists were not actually the naive dreamers’ realists made them out to be. Scholars like Carr essentially created that label after the fact to discredit an earlier generation of thinkers. It was more of a rhetorical move than a genuine intellectual confrontation. The debate was partly constructed by the winning side to justify their victory.

Which raises a question I keep coming back to.

Did realism win the First Great Debate because it had better arguments? Or because it controlled the narrative and used WWII as convenient evidence against people who could no longer defend themselves?

And if that is true about the first debate, what about the other three?

The Second Debate happened between people who wanted to study IR through history and philosophy versus people who wanted to make it a proper science using data and statistics. The scientific side won. But this was also happening during the Cold War when the American government was funding enormous amounts of quantitative strategic research. So, did the scientific approach win because it was genuinely better for studying international politics? Or did it win because it had money behind it and the other side did not?

The Third Debate was between neorealists and neoliberals. Both sides accepted that the world is anarchic. Both were primarily American theories arguing within a very narrow shared set of assumptions. The entire experience of the Global South, colonialism, non-Western history, all of it was basically invisible in this debate. So, the question is, who was this debate actually serving?

The Fourth Debate finally brought in constructivism, feminism, postcolonialism. But why did it happen when it did? Largely because the Cold War ended in a way that existing theories completely failed to predict. Nobody saw it coming. So, the door opened for new approaches not necessarily because they made better arguments but because history made the old theories look foolish.

So my actual question is this. If every single Great Debate was shaped as much by funding priorities, political timing, historical accidents, and narrative control as by the quality of the intellectual arguments, can IR genuinely claim to produce real knowledge about world politics? Or is it a discipline that keeps producing sophisticated justifications for whatever the powerful need to believe about themselves at any given moment?

I am not trying to be cynical about the discipline. I chose to study it and I find it genuinely interesting. But I think these are real questions and I wanted to see what people outside my classroom think.

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