u/BezerkMoverk

I've always been pretty openly left wing, I've held my nose and voted labour when I had to but I've always wanted a real left alternative here in the UK.

Talking to most working class people the big divide between politically active leftists involved in Politics and the average working class person is immigration and social attitudes or LGBT, feminism racial justice etc.

I've always been the "sensible shitlib" arguing in favour of immigration, social justice etc and I've just seen working people getting more and more hostile to both immigration and asylum seekers. Most of the anti immigration stuff is a mix of racism and material conditions driving the working poor and new arrivals left fighting for access to council housing, school places and anger over large hospital waiting times etc.

I've always been particularly proud of our asylum record, I'm mixed race and I've had family affected in Syria who needed asylum and I know how important it is for the most vulnerable. I work within the asylum system and I'm also on a volunteer board that helps with asylum advice in my free time.

Most of the tabloid fear mongering around asylum is just brazen fear mongering shite. But over the last 6 years or so I've become do blackpilled with both the abuse within the system itself and also the public's reaction to it.

The amount of middle class people from the Carribbean I've had to deal with recently claiming asylum, alleging domestic abuse because scummy lawyers are taking fees and advising them on how to abuse our claims process which does offer domestic abuse survivors asylum in specific situations.

They do this so we'll get say 6000 claims a year all of a sudden claiming to be fleeing severe domestic abuse for st Lucia, then we crack down on the loophole. Then we will get 7000 middle class sri Lankans claiming to be escaping LGBT persecution using the exact same three sentence claim to us they've been told to memorize.

It's the pure selfishness of lots of these people, most of them are richer than the average British person, they are well educated, they are the American equivalent of the obnoxious upper middle class white snob. The cynical manipulation if they are dealing with a white person instead of a POC immune to their slandering they will immediately claim racism and further stall proceedings.

Meanwhile the actually oppressed and downtrodden, the genuinely vulnerable are waiting for years in many cases because we've got such a backlog to deal with.

If this stuff is making me feel extremely irritated I can't even explain to you how irritated it's making the people living on some council estate where half the newly alloted houses are people granted residency from Sudan claiming to be homosexuals fleeing persecution who then successfully apply to bring their wives and four children over.

There's a general mood here even amongst migrants and children of migrants like me and it's not really a problem with illegals who mostly come here and work hard or skilled workers it's this ballooning number of grifters who are cynically taking advantage of the relatively liberal institutions of the UK and then immediately starting small businesses and getting access to social housing and competing with the genuinely impoverished of this country.

Reform are going to win and the working class is getting more and more reactionary and half of their anger is just racism whipped up by the media but half of it is rightful anger at grifting self enriching psychopaths using the UK as a playground.

I've had to grant asylum to hundreds of people I know are faking and who are more well off than me yet I can't prove their claim fraudulent. And there's many more that are simply living here on a continuous backlog who then immediately start underhand money lending operations to genuine asylum seekers and exploiting them using funds from their well off life back home.

Meanwhile me half British half Pakistani university education can't afford a mortgage and not poor enough for social housing so me my wife and child are squeezed into a tiny box we pay 1600 a month for and I have to commute two hours to work in the morning. No places for my kid at a good school so he's forced into a shit school.

I'm not anti immigration or anti asylum but I just feel a genuine bitterness knowing I'm basically being ground down my entire life to just exist yet I'm going through the humiliation ritual of giving an obviously rich woman from st Lucia and her kids residency on bogus grounds who will immediately be housed in a three bedroom property in London that my kid will never get to live in. And then I know the general mood is so bad when the white angry mob starts social unrest when anger truly spills over the rich lady and her kids will fly back to st Lucia and I and my family will take the brunt of what will come.

Then we get to criminal justice and I'm sorry but if I see one more news story of an Afghan man raping an 11 year old and recieving 8 years and being told he can't be deported because he will face hardship for being separated from his family I'm going to assume British leftists defending the system simply want to see me and my family killed by the British public I can't even imagine a better way to turn the white British population into alt right psychos.

I don't want to become a reactionary as I get older. I don't want to become hopeless as my and my families future here but it just feels like whatever this current system is, it's just designed to create right wing backlash that end up in total chaos for people like us.

And I can't even talk about this around white leftists friends because of the obvious connotation of "moaning about asylum seekers and immigrant crime and mind bogglingly light sentencing.".

But POC on the left are talking about this to each other and even Novara media types are starting to broach it online. I justaune needed to vent. Fuck my life.

I'm 5'7 balding and thinning, fat and never really been gainfully employed. I've had like part time jobs and I've gone travelling on the cheap overstaying visas in shit hole countries for years and getting blacklisted where it's so cheap I can just have fun.

I've been married twice, first I got busted cheating and second we just kinda grew apart over 4 years and we have a kid and occasionally hook up.

I've not been a pussy hound but I've had about 10 total long term relationships and about 6 ONS. I started lifting last year and I've seen crazy progress I almost look somewhat normal where as I used to look like roger the alien from American dad. I've made friends with some lads in their mid 20s from the gym and they are all pretty jacked and all at least 5 inches taller than me yet they are all sure they can't get pussy and are doomed to be pussyless forever.

My girlfriend comes to the gym sometimes and they are all so awkward and bad at even a two minute conversation with her it's fucking crazy. They literally look at the floor while talking to her.

The thing about the redpill is it's right women are useless cunts and insipid twots, but they always have been but they are also incredibly easy to make fall in love with you.

You should hate them, but if you think you need to be rich and hot to fuck them that's an iq and skill issue. You literally just tell them you want to put your baby in them and tell them to shut up when they are annoying they love it.

Been looking through here and there's like 6'1 19 year old virgins, what the fuck is happening to young men that psyoped them into this level of self sabotage?

I'm 36 Irish parents but born and raised in England. I'm extremely shy likely due to being raised on a farm and only having two sisters to socialise with until I was 22 when I left and started working in Australia on farms with lots of foreign workers, I'm not antisocial just shy. Bright red hair, pretty short pale as a vampire.

I've actually done very well dating wise considering extreme shyness and being fat, I've had 9 long term relationships, including two marriages. And I'm too shy to approach so it's either been on tinder or women approaching me in real life.

I don't really care about race but I've often wondered why I've only ever had black women as partners except for my very first girlfriend who was mixed race half yolngu half white Australian.

I don't have any preferences regarding race dating wise and I've just been happy any woman has approached me irl or matched with me on tinder and considered myself lucky. But often people have asked if I'm on the spectrum so I'm wondering if there is something I'm doing to either attract black women specifically or put off white, Asian and Latina women in general.

I've often had girls say they like my bright orange beard but I'd assume that isn't a culturally positive things with black women or hated unanimously bully other races.

Ice asked my partners why they liked me and they always just say I don't know or you seemed nice, but all races like nice people so again it seems highly unlikely that's attracting one racial category of people?

I don't know if it's just because it's been pointed out to me a lot recently while at home visiting my family after attending a funeral, but all my cousins and aunts and uncles have asked why I only date black people and now I'm thinking I might have developed a complex of asking why this is the case.

My sister I dunno maybe jokingly said you're lucky your a fetish because you look like a clone of dad. And now a feel a bit weird about things. I had a match on bumble who wants to meet next week and maybe I'm being silly but I kind of don't want to now as I'm really in my own head about this fetish comment.

I've matched with white women and they are polite and nice but it usually fizzles out or they unmatch. I've now got it in my head I should only date someone different than my usual matches but it just never seems to happen.

Does anyone have that vaush interracial dating video to memory where he discussed it for like 25 minutes.

I'm 36 Irish parents but raised in England. I'm extremely shy likely due to being raised on a farm and only having two brothers to socialise with until I was 22 when I left and started working in Australia on farms with lots of foreign workers, I'm not antisocial just shy. Bright red hair, pretty short pale as a vampire.

I've actually done very well dating wise considering extreme shyness and being fat, 5'7 and basically Norwood 3 since I was a child, I've had 9 long term relationships, including two marriages. And I'm too shy to approach so it's either been on the apps or women approaching me in real life.

I don't really care about race but I've often wondered why I've only ever had black women as partners except for my very first girlfriend who was mixed race half yolngu half white Australian.

I don't have any preferences regarding race dating wise and I've just been happy any woman has approached me irl or matched with me on tinder and considered myself lucky. But often people have asked if I'm on the spectrum so I'm wondering if there is something I'm doing to either attract black women specifically or put off white, Asian and Latina women in general.

I've often had girls say they like my bright orange beard but I'd assume that isn't a culturally positive things with black women or hated unanimously bully other races.

Ive asked my partners why they liked me and they always just say I don't know or you seemed nice, but all races like nice people so again it seems highly unlikely that's attracting one racial category of people?

I don't know if it's just because it's been pointed out to me a lot recently while at home visiting my family after attending a funeral, but all my cousins and aunts and uncles have asked why I only date black people and now I'm thinking I might have developed a complex of asking why this is the case. I broke up with my girlfriend 5 months ago and I got on bumble again and I've liked various profiles all different races and I've currently had around 20 matches and all of them have been black except two and the two white women who matched with me were nice and polite but unmatched relatively quickly.

Is this just a case of extremely unlikely statistical probabilities occuring or am I someone's fetish or type?

Was at a funeral last week and was looking at all the pictures of my dad's old labour mates who were affiliated with class war and the left current of the labour party and made me sad to realise that losing all the tall aggressive blue collar chuds was perhaps the biggest own goal ever.

Nigerian Tony (hillarious his best mates referred to him as Nigerian Tony for 40 years lol) was my dad's best mate who recently passed was like 6'6 was a boiler maker, all he lived for was his family, the union, football and a good scrap following United away.

My grandad and dad both enormous blue collar nutcase who used to beat the crap out of the national front in the Manchester area till they literally stopped coming. All the pipe fitters and boiler makers unions were filled with normal guys but there were leaders who were total chud coded nutters who would inspire people to follow them into labour militancy and anti fascism activism.

I'm getting on now and our union dwindled and it's now a neoliberal shell and there's a guy with dyed hair who hosts the union meetings and no one shows up and the people who do are university Trotskyists who make working class people of the chud variety feels physically sick to talk to.

My son's a boiler man same as me and there's nothing but antipathy to the old locals and the mainline unions are just neoliberal orgs. None of him or his mates are interested at all.

Looking back the chud union guys were cool, they were tough, they weren't "woke" (yes I know) they were offensive, they were a bit crackers but they were on the right position on every issue in an almost non political way that young lads saw as masculine, cool and something they wanted to be a part of.

This isn't just for unions but for anything. Working class people are mostly chud brained. They would hate it here. But they can absolutely be won and kept by the left.

Young men naturally gravitate to masculine role models, why the fuck isn't there any space for a guy who men actually find cool in that chud way. Any if anyone says Hassan is that please shut the fuck up.

Salford in Manchester was the main northwest hub in the UK. All the local gangsters, football hooligans, casuals, scene lads, skinheads and estate youth mobs were in some way ties to union lads, anti fascist groups, general militant left wing culture. It was so strong that racist inmates literally couldn't be housed at strange ways prison because they would be immediately attacked on the wing.

That same place particularly ordsal is now overwhelmingly far right counter culture. The prison has right wing aligned gangs running it. The left are broadly seen as left wing middle class pussies and if you ran some left wing street thing there you'd likely get beaten up by local lads.

Even the Manchester united match going youth mob are all far right codedm it was an explicitly left wing class war aligned firm a couple decades ago.

Fucking depressing.

Nicely I see many of the same posters here from the SH sub. The reason Sam fearmongering about Mamdani is funny to answer the questions lots of you raised, away from the civil war atmosphere in the SH sub I'm not looking to get dragged into:

Mamdani is seen as a Kaffir by the Muslim community. Kufr (disbelief) is unanimously agreed upon across all schools of thought within normative Islam. A quick primer for those not raised Muslim

1. A man goes out every night and has gay sex with his lover is not committing kufr, he's vomitting a major sin. He's a Muslim and he is to be regarded as such, buried amongst the Muslims given a janazah etc.

2. A man prays 5 times a day, has never had sex outside his marriage, is extremely dedicated to his religious obligations but he says homosexuality isn't immoral. He instantly becomes a non Muslim for denying something known by necessity in the religion, he commits kufr Akbar and he is to be regarded as an apostate not to be buried with the Muslims and not to be prayed over or given a funeral.

Ok so Mamdani in the US, Hamza yousaf the Scottish ex PM, Saddiq khan, Maajid nawaz. All the people I see fear mongering over online are regarded as kuffar. They are deemed open apostates, they are reviled by the Muslim community. They are supported by a bunch of leftists and "cultural Muslims" who see Islam as some brown identity but are not believers in the same way Richard Dawkins is a Christian.

It's genuinely very very funny for people raised religiously Muslim who became Sam fans and then heard him speak about these kinds of situations and realised he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

For an example of how far away from Islamism Mamdani is, the most well known liberal sufi islamic scholars in the UK came out and called him a zindiq. That's like a female Anglican priest calling you way too progressive to be considered a Christian.

I get everyone has blind spots and it's hard to really understand a religious movement from outside it unless you autistic ally read fiqh and aqeedah books for fun which no one in Sam's audience is doing, but it's do ridiculous it would actually make you laugh if you understood how silly it is.

It's the equivalent of calling Obama a communist. Lots of moronic republicans genuinely believed it. Anyone here would obviously find that hillarious but know how delusional it is, for a clear frame of reference.

I have two black ex wives who my mother still absolutely adores, one is Jamaican British and one is Kenyan British but she's from a minority bantu descended tribal group so they look very west Africans despite being culturally east African. Due to children coming from marriage there's a constant relationship and all three of them are pretty much best friends.

My mum is kinda finding herself at the ripe old age of 66 after losing my Dad and having serious health issues related to smoking, she built a custom gym in the garage a big rack, a commercial ham curl, a hip thrust machine and a bunch of cardio equipment. She's been lifting for a year now and twice a week they all lift together.

All my brother's and sisters and cousins live within a mile do everyone is always using the gym and it's been a very funny experience seeing how all my relatives have been strictly following programs and trying to beat the logbook, some are decade plus serious lifters. Yet my two black ex wives are lifting twice a week not counting weight or reps and eating either patties and jerk chicken or beans and chapati and wet fried beef, no macro tracking or calorie counting.

They have both developed absolutely phenomenal physiques, Kenyan ex wife has grown a comical amount of booty meat so that it has created a kind of shelf, she takes motivational pictures of her protein shaker sitting on her bum shelf and posts them on her insta as envy fuel for her friends who I can tell hate her.

Jamaican ex is much skinnier but she's developed an incredibly toned and tight figure, she's made so much progress in a year while eating haribo XXL strawberry packs and drinking about 2l of this peanut drink she buys from Costco on bulk packs that's got like 300 calories per juice cup.

My aunt carol has been banned from the family gym for making racial comments about how black people make better gym gains because they use much less energy on brain function. Got her ass beat and now can't come round on Tuesdays and Fridays when the girls come to train.

My mixed kids are so much more athletic than all my white nieces and nephews it's crazy. This last year has stopped me self hating about my snail pace gym progress. I'm now able to die happy knowing it's all just genetics.

Kenyan ex did 9 deadhang pull-ups her very first attempt. My sister who played sports in university and has been lifting since she was 14 for volleyball, still only does 10 and she's now 29. And she's way stronger than almost any woman I've ever known.

Fuck your macros, get yourself some Bantu genetics.

It wouldn't have gone down like that

Frfr.

I got a bad back injury about 13 years ago which essentially made the blue collar work which is the only thing I was qualified to do impossible. I'm now 35. Because it was the councils fault who I was contracted with at the time I was offered 60k compo or what is essentially for you Americans an early pension payable at £900 a month for life, this was at a time when our union was still pretty good nowadays I think I'd of gotten bugger all. I took the £900 a month for life.

I'm an ethnically English white guy living in England but I converted to Islam when I was 15. I'm basically the type of Muslim everyone hates because I'm not politically interested, I don't dress up as an Arab or whatever I'm literally a jeans and polo shirt white guy who loves watching the footy and hanging out with my cousins and basically keeping to myself, other than the occasional FIFA and COD with the lads from highschool.

This is hated by the zindiq liberalised lefty cultural Muslims because I actually believe in the religion which is by their own standards far right. And right wingers despise me for not caring about migrants or nationalism or whatever. And the lunatic kharaji types hate me for being a quietist non political person who doesn't want to go kill people for their nutcase groups and doesn't support ikhwani Muslim brotherhood types either. And the Pakistani Muslim community that exists around me don't like me because I don't support their asharism or madhabism and refuse to become a desi larper and wear their clothes and basically adopt a foreign culture to fit in with them and also I say that a lot of their community behaviour is trash and get into arguments when they make sweeping statements about white people, which they back down from but then simply ignore me afterwards and no doubt dlander me as a nazi or whatever. Pointing out their government deported 2 million afghans so they can't whine natives want them to piss off is apparently not ok.

People who just believe in the religion but are normal people and aren't looking for a new community, or aren't running from a history of crime or drawn to radicalism, really seem to annoy and freak everyone out from all angles.

Anyway yeah I recently spoke to a guy on holiday in Indonesia he's a white Muslim guy who flew to Indonesia 16 years ago as a tourist and simply never left. He's overstayed his visa for 16 years, has passive income from basically getting 1200 a month from his dad who is rich and agreed to do this as an early form of inheritance, so not really much but around what I have each month.

He lives in Aceh, rents a tiny little two bed house, studies Arabic and is now fluent in Indonesian, has married a woman has three kids, marriage wasn't registered because he's overstayed his visa for so long and doesn't want to be deported.

He basically is an Athari like me and is a salafi though he's more of a madhabi than me and he follows the Hanbali fiqh. He said to me Hijrah is obligatory which I think it is due to the verse in quran and the hadith in dawud

“Verily, as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they are wronging themselves (as they stayed among the disbelievers even though emigration was obligatory for them), they (angels) say (to them): “In what (condition) were you?” They reply: “We were weak and oppressed on the earth.” They (angels) say: “Was not the earth of Allah spacious enough for you to emigrate therein?” Such men will find their abode in Hell — what an evil destination!”

[al-Nisa’ 4:97]

In the Sunnah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2645; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

Basically I could live there forever, undocumented, get married without registering it and have a family and the goat of living is so cheap id basically never run out of money.

Life in the UK feels so empty and I hate the atmosphere in the urban areas rural areas are too expensive as everyone who is moderately wealthy moves there and commutes.

When I was in Indonesia I got on great with the locals where as I generally don't really vibe with Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. Food was so cheap, lifestyle was so free, I'd basically experience a quality of life I couldn't get in the UK and nice weather, but I'd be undocumented, not know the language and miss my family.

I found this sub through cumtown and I have browsed the sub for years for laughs. I am not hugely sociable except with family and old mates do naturally a loser podcast enjoyer and Reddit browser.

I know there's loads of political slop on here nowadays but I'm not interested in any culture war or race or gender slop in this thread, I just thought an outside take on my situation and if I should go for this given my situation and options would be interesting.