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Found my old travel card when I visited the Forbidden City, good times!

Found my old travel card when I visited the Forbidden City, good times!

The point of divergence begins when the Articles of Favorable Treatment are completely different than in our timeline, where the Forbidden City would be administered as a special administrative region of the Republic of China and maintain its autonomy, and the Qing Imperial Family would be granted special privileges, such as allowing Xuantong Emperor to maintain his title, their own personal army consisted of 200 men led by Zhang Zuolin and a generous annual subsidy to the family by the new Republic government. Under the conditions that the Xuantong Emperor must remain neutral in conflicts. This move was made as a compromise to avoid further conflict. Many Qing loyalists remained in or fled to the Forbidden City.

Many loyalists who stayed at the Forbidden City acted as Puyi’s advisors. When Puyi turned 18 years old, he can finally rule on his own. The Xuantong Emperor’s first act is to establish many ceremonial traditions to stay relevant. He established many ceremonies such as calligraphy for holidays. He also works to create the Updated Manchu Dictionary which added new Manchu words alongside fixing grammars. He also works to collect historical artifacts like oracle bones, bamboo and wooden slips, and Dunhuang manuscripts, all of which are invaluable materials for understanding ancient China. The Xuantong Emperor also created its own passport and its own commemorative coins and stamps.

During World War 2 when the Japanese captured Beijing, the Xuantong Emperor refused to leave the Forbidden City despite Japanese threats, becoming a symbol of defiance. During the Chinese Civil War, when the CCP captured Beijing. The CCP, fully aware that if they do anything to Puyi, they would faced backlash for his popularity for his bravery against Japan alongside being a preserver of Chinese history. As a result, both Puyi and Mao Zedong agreed to a compromise. The Treaty of Forbidden City was set, the Forbidden City would be granted independence and guaranteed protection by the CCP. In exchange, the Forbidden City must recognized the CCP as the legitimate China alongside must remain neutral in Chinese politics. With the treaty set, the Forbidden City became independent under CCP’s protection. The CCP framed this as proof that socialism (China) had tamed the dragon (Forbidden City) and a symbol of unity between old and new China.

Under Xuantong Emperor’s reign, he transformed the Forbidden City into a place renowned for artifact restoration, Qing court ceremonies, Manchu language preservation, genealogy services and imperial archives. They interact with foreign governments through museums, universities, heritage organizations, and cultural exchanges. During the Cultural Revolution, Mao Zedong ordered troops to not attack the Forbidden City in honor of the treaty. The Xuantong Emperor passed away in 1967, his brother, Pujie, succeeded him as the Tianyou Emperor of the Forbidden City.

The Tianyou Emperor aimed to stabilize the Forbidden City by creating cultural ties with other nations such as Japan, South Korea and Mongolia. He aimed to restored Qing archives, expanding genealogical services and building relationships with overseas Chinese. Puren or The Renzun Emperor took over as Emperor after the death of the Tianyou Emperor in 1994. Renzun Emperor declared aimed to digitize everything within the Forbidden City. He oversaw digital archive initiatives, imperial livestream ceremonies, created online genealogy registry, partnered with academies worldwide. He is also known for his advocacy for education reforms to promote literacy amongst Chinese citizens.

Today, the current Emperor is the Xianhui Emperor who reigned from 2015 to current day.

u/Cheap_Training9147 — 3 days ago

Qing Emperors (Post-Constitution)

The point of divergence began with the early death of The Dowager Cixi in 1865 from an infection. The Tongzhi Emperor turned to reformist advisors like Prince Gong. Together, they focused on reforming the Qing Dynasty by blending Western knowledge with traditional Confucian values.

Key reforms included modernizing the military with Western techniques, improving government efficiency to reduce corruption, and implementing industrialization to enhance infrastructure. Education reforms encouraged the study of Western languages and sciences. These efforts resulted in a stronger military and a booming economy.

By the time the 20th century came, the Qing Dynasty managed to democratize the country to such a degree that the Qing Dynasty is left in a situation that power is balanced between the Emperor and the Grand Council (which later became the Parliament). Eventually, the Xuantong Emperor, under the regency of Empress Dowager Longyu, adopt a constitution that would turned the Qing Dynasty into a Constitutional Monarchy in 1912.

Xuantong Emperor (1908-1967)

Under the new constitution, The Emperor of the Qing Dynasty acted as the Head of State, Commander in Chief, Protector of the Constitution and a symbol of national unity. The Emperor’s main duties mainly involve attending domestic ceremonies and performing state functions.

The Xuantong Emperor’s early reign was marked by him being educated by western-educated tutors to prepare for his role as a constitutional emperor. 1st Qing Prime Minister, Kang Youwei, regularly spent time with The Xuantong Emperor. In his later memoirs, The Xuantong Emperor’s describes Kang as "the only person who can control me, Kang is the only one who said no when nobody else dare would, he’s one of my most important mentor."

When he finally turned 18, he is prepared to rule. Many described him The Xuantong Emperor as reserved and intelligent but socially awkward. As Emperor, he works to create the Updated Manchu Dictionary which added new Manchu words alongside fixing grammars. He works to collect historical artifacts like oracle bones, bamboo and wooden slips, and Dunhuang manuscripts, all of which are invaluable materials for understanding ancient China. His marriage of Wanrong became a major event in the Qing Dynasty. Wanrong became a fashion icon and an advocate for women’s rights.

When the Second Sino-Japanese War began, because the Qing Dynasty recovered early (thanks to Prime Minister Cai E abandoned the gold standard leading to currency devaluation and active fiscal spendings), more people have faith in the Qing Dynasty. The Qing military is more unified in resisting the Japanese. The Xuantong Emperor visited bombed cities and toured hospitals to help boost morale for Qing soldiers through broadcasted wartime addresses. The All For China speech was declared, emphasizing national unity and anti-imperial nationalism.

In his later reign, the Xuantong Emperor sponsored many projects supports artifact restoration, genealogy services, preservation of imperial archives such as traditional music and clothing. Wanrong was assassinated by an ultranationalist in 1960 who despised her influence, believing the old way are dying. The Xuantong Emperor remains unmarried and mostly withdrew from public eyes. His withdrawal from public’s eyes for his last 7 years cause a deep detachment from the Qing monarchy to the people.

The Xuantong Emperor passed away in 1967, Pujie succeeded him as the Tianyou Emperor.

Tianyou Emperor (1967-1994)

When the Tianyou Emperor was coronated, many Chinese were unsure on whether the newly coronated Emperor be just as invisible as the Xuantong Emperor. The Tianyou Emperor announced that, in his speech, that he would dedicate his reign into serving the people and that he hope in the years to come everyone will be able to take pride in their nation regardless of what challenges to come.

The Tianyou Emperor’s reign was marked by his dedication to creating diplomatic ties with other nations. The Tianyou Emperor became the first Qing Emperor to visit the State of Japan and the United Republic of Korea to repair tense relations between the Qing and Japan/Korea. The Tianyou Emperor continue his brother’s legacy such as restore Qing archives and continuing the updated Manchu dictionary. He starts to build relationships with Chinese citizens through the Grand Tour, aiming to foster unity amongst Qing Dynasty.

Under his reign, he sponsored the creation of the Imperial Restoration Museum which aimed to restore artifacts and the Academy of Chinese Studies which aimed to teach social studies about Chinese Imperial History. He became the first Qing emperor to visit the United States. The Tianyou Emperor oversaw the opening of most of the Forbidden City to tourists.

His biggest achievement is turning the Qing monarchy from a distant entity to playing a more active role in shaping the Qing Dynasty such as Tianyou Emperor’s charities and advocacy for disaster reliefs. The Tianyou Emperor passed away in 1994, he was succeeded by Puren as the Renzun Emperor.

Renzun Emperor (1994-2015)

The Renzun Emperor was coronated in 1994 following the death of the Tianyou Emperor. Many had high hopes for the new Emperor. As emperor, he was known for his calm and resolute approach whenever the situation in the Qing Dynasty looked hopeless, becoming a symbol of hope in the eyes of many Qing citizens. He was an advocacy for education reforms and literacy within the Qing Dynasty. He visited both rural areas and industrialized cities to bridge the gap between the two. He oversaw the launch of the official Qing website where he digitalize many of the historical artifacts.

However, his biggest controversy is the Assimilation Question. A controversial question that asked whether to assimilate minorities into Qing Dynasty or not. It remains a tense question amongst people and the parliament with the Royalists supporting it while the Communists rejected it and the Nationalists had mixed response. The Renzun Emperor intentionally remains silent to not appear political as a constitutional emperor which was criticized by many minorities. Despite that, his reign was relatively peaceful overall. He passed away in 2015.

Prince Yuzhang became Emperor of the Qing Dynasty as the Xianhui Emperor.

u/Cheap_Training9147 — 5 days ago

Qing Emperors (Post-Constitution)

The point of divergence began with the early death of The Dowager Cixi in 1865 from an infection. The Tongzhi Emperor turned to reformist advisors like Prince Gong. Together, they focused on reforming the Qing Dynasty by blending Western knowledge with traditional Confucian values.

Key reforms included modernizing the military with Western techniques, improving government efficiency to reduce corruption, and implementing industrialization to enhance infrastructure. Education reforms encouraged the study of Western languages and sciences. These efforts resulted in a stronger military and a booming economy.

By the time the 20th century came, the Qing Dynasty managed to democratize the country to such a degree that the Qing Dynasty is left in a situation that power is balanced between the Emperor and the Grand Council (which later became the Parliament). Eventually, the Xuantong Emperor, under the regency of Zaifeng, adopt a constitution that would turned the Qing Dynasty into a Constitutional Monarchy in 1912.

Xuantong Emperor (1908-1967)

Under the new constitution, The Emperor of the Qing Dynasty acted as the Head of State, Commander in Chief, Protector of the Constitution and a symbol of national unity. The Emperor’s main duties mainly involve attending domestic ceremonies and performing state functions.

The Xuantong Emperor’s early reign was marked by him being educated by western-educated tutors to prepare for his role as a constitutional emperor. 1st Qing Prime Minister, Kang Youwei, regularly spent time with The Xuantong Emperor. In his later memoirs, The Xuantong Emperor’s describes Kang as "the only person who can control me, Kang is the only one who said no when nobody else dare would, he’s one of my most important mentor."

When he finally turned 18, he is prepared to rule. Many described him The Xuantong Emperor as reserved and intelligent but socially awkward. As Emperor, he works to create the Updated Manchu Dictionary which added new Manchu words alongside fixing grammars. He works to collect historical artifacts like oracle bones, bamboo and wooden slips, and Dunhuang manuscripts, all of which are invaluable materials for understanding ancient China. His marriage of Wanrong became a major event in the Qing Dynasty. Wanrong became a fashion icon and an advocate for women’s rights.

When the Second Sino-Japanese War began, because the Qing Dynasty recovered early (thanks to Prime Minister Cai E abandoned the gold standard leading to currency devaluation and active fiscal spendings), more people have faith in the Qing Dynasty. The Qing military is more unified in resisting the Japanese. The Xuantong Emperor visited bombed cities and toured hospitals to help boost morale for Qing soldiers through broadcasted wartime addresses. The All For China speech was declared, emphasizing national unity and anti-imperial nationalism.

In his later reign, the Xuantong Emperor sponsored many projects supports artifact restoration, genealogy services, preservation of imperial archives such as traditional music and clothing. Wanrong was assassinated by an ultranationalist in 1960 who despised her influence, believing the old way are dying. The Xuantong Emperor remains unmarried and mostly withdrew from public eyes. His withdrawal from public’s eyes for his last 7 years cause a deep detachment from the Qing monarchy to the people.

The Xuantong Emperor passed away in 1967, Pujie succeeded him as the Tianyou Emperor.

Tianyou Emperor (1967-1994)

When the Tianyou Emperor was coronated, many Chinese were unsure on whether the newly coronated Emperor be just as invisible as the Xuantong Emperor. The Tianyou Emperor announced that, in his speech, that he would dedicate his reign into serving the people and that he hope in the years to come everyone will be able to take pride in their nation regardless of what challenges to come.

The Tianyou Emperor’s reign was marked by his dedication to creating diplomatic ties with other nations. The Tianyou Emperor became the first Qing Emperor to visit the State of Japan and the United Republic of Korea to repair tense relations between the Qing and Japan/Korea. The Tianyou Emperor continue his brother’s legacy such as restore Qing archives and continuing the updated Manchu dictionary. He starts to build relationships with Chinese through the Grand Tour, aiming to foster unity amongst Qing Dynasty.

Under his reign, he sponsored the creation of the Imperial Restoration Museum which aimed to restore artifacts and the Academy of Chinese Studies which aimed to teach social studies about Chinese Imperial History. He became the first Qing emperor to visit the United States. The Tianyou Emperor oversaw the opening of most of the Forbidden City to tourists.

His biggest achievement is turning the Qing monarchy from a distant entity to playing a more active role in shaping the Qing Dynasty such as Tianyou Emperor’s charities and advocacy for disaster reliefs. The Tianyou Emperor passed away, he was succeeded by Puren as the Renzun Emperor.

Renzun Emperor (1994-2015)

The Renzun Emperor was coronated in 1994, following the death of the Tianyou Emperor. Many had high hopes for the new Emperor. As emperor, he was known for his calm and resolute approach whenever the situation in the Qing Dynasty looked hopeless, becoming a symbol of hope in the eyes of many Qing emperors. He was an advocacy for education reforms and literacy within the Qing Dynasty. He visited both rural areas and industrialized cities to bridge the gap between the two. He oversaw the launch of the official Qing website where he digitalize many of the historical artifacts.

However, his biggest controversy is the Assimilation Question. A controversial question that asked whether to assimilate minorities into Qing Dynasty or not. It remains a tense question amongst people and the parliament with the Royalists supporting it while the Communists rejected it and the Nationalists had mixed response. The Renzun Emperor intention remains silent to not appear political as a constitutional monarch which was criticized by many minorities. Despite that, his reign was relatively peaceful overall. He passed away in 2015.

Prince Yuzhang became Emperor of the Qing Dynasty.

u/Cheap_Training9147 — 5 days ago

Qing Emperors (Post-Constitution)

The point of divergence began with the early death of The Dowager Cixi in 1865 from an infection. The Tongzhi Emperor turned to reformist advisors like Prince Gong. Together, they focused on reforming the Qing Dynasty by blending Western knowledge with traditional Confucian values.

Key reforms included modernizing the military with Western techniques, improving government efficiency to reduce corruption, and implementing industrialization to enhance infrastructure. Education reforms encouraged the study of Western languages and sciences. These efforts resulted in a stronger military and a booming economy.

By the time the 20th century came, the Qing Dynasty managed to democratize the country to such a degree that the Qing Dynasty is left in a situation that power is balanced between the Emperor and the Grand Council (which later became the Parliament). Eventually, the Xuantong Emperor, under the regency of Zaifeng, adopt a constitution that would turned the Qing Dynasty into a Constitutional Monarchy in 1912.

Xuantong Emperor (1908-1967)

Under the new constitution, The Emperor of the Qing Dynasty acted as the Head of State, Commander in Chief, Protector of the Constitution and a symbol of national unity. The Emperor’s main duties mainly involve attending domestic ceremonies and performing state functions.

The Xuantong Emperor’s early reign was marked by him being educated by western-educated tutors to prepare for his role as a constitutional emperor. 1st Qing Prime Minister, Kang Youwei, regularly spent time with The Xuantong Emperor. In his later memoirs, The Xuantong Emperor’s describes Kang as "the only person who can control me, Kang is the only one who said no when nobody else dare would, he’s one of my most important mentor."

When he finally turned 18, he is prepared to rule. Many described him The Xuantong Emperor as reserved and intelligent but socially awkward. As Emperor, he works to create the Updated Manchu Dictionary which added new Manchu words alongside fixing grammars. He works to collect historical artifacts like oracle bones, bamboo and wooden slips, and Dunhuang manuscripts, all of which are invaluable materials for understanding ancient China. His marriage of Wanrong became a major event in the Qing Dynasty. Wanrong became a fashion icon and an advocate for women’s rights.

When the Second Sino-Japanese War began, because the Qing Dynasty recovered early (thanks to Prime Minister Cai E abandoned the gold standard leading to currency devaluation and active fiscal spendings), more people have faith in the Qing Dynasty. The Qing military is more unified in resisting the Japanese. The Xuantong Emperor visited bombed cities and toured hospitals to help boost morale for Qing soldiers through broadcasted wartime addresses. The All For China speech was declared, emphasizing national unity and anti-imperial nationalism.

In his later reign, the Xuantong Emperor sponsored many projects supports artifact restoration, genealogy services, preservation of imperial archives such as traditional music and clothing. Wanrong was assassinated by an ultranationalist in 1960 who despised her influence, believing the old way are dying. The Xuantong Emperor remains unmarried and mostly withdrew from public eyes. His withdrawal from public’s eyes for his last 7 years cause a deep detachment from the Qing monarchy to the people.

The Xuantong Emperor passed away in 1967, Pujie succeeded him as the Tianyou Emperor.

Tianyou Emperor (1967-1994)

When the Tianyou Emperor was coronated, many Chinese were unsure on whether the newly coronated Emperor be just as invisible as the Xuantong Emperor. The Tianyou Emperor announced that, in his speech, that he would dedicate his reign into serving the people and that he hope in the years to come everyone will be able to take pride in their nation regardless of what challenges to come.

The Tianyou Emperor’s reign was marked by his dedication to creating diplomatic ties with other nations. The Tianyou Emperor became the first Qing Emperor to visit the State of Japan and the United Republic of Korea to repair tense relations between the Qing and Japan/Korea. The Tianyou Emperor continue his brother’s legacy such as restore Qing archives and continuing the updated Manchu dictionary. He starts to build relationships with Chinese through the Grand Tour, aiming to foster unity amongst Qing Dynasty.

Under his reign, he sponsored the creation of the Imperial Restoration Museum which aimed to restore artifacts and the Academy of Chinese Studies which aimed to teach social studies about Chinese Imperial History. He became the first Qing emperor to visit the United States. The Tianyou Emperor oversaw the opening of most of the Forbidden City to tourists.

His biggest achievement is turning the Qing monarchy from a distant entity to playing a more active role in shaping the Qing Dynasty such as Tianyou Emperor’s charities and advocacy for disaster reliefs. The Tianyou Emperor passed away, he was succeeded by Puren as the Renzun Emperor.

Renzun Emperor (1994-2015)

The Renzun Emperor was coronated in 1994, following the death of the Tianyou Emperor. Many had high hopes for the new Emperor. As emperor, he was known for his calm and resolute approach whenever the situation in the Qing Dynasty looked hopeless, becoming a symbol of hope in the eyes of many Qing emperors. He was an advocacy for education reforms and literacy within the Qing Dynasty. He visited both rural areas and industrialized cities to bridge the gap between the two. He oversaw the launch of the official Qing website where he digitalize many of the historical artifacts.

However, his biggest controversy is the Assimilation Question. A controversial question that asked whether to assimilate minorities into Qing Dynasty or not. It remains a tense question amongst people and the parliament with the Royalists supporting it while the Communists rejected it and the Nationalists had mixed response. The Renzun Emperor intention remains silent to not appear political as a constitutional monarch which was criticized by many minorities. Despite that, his reign was relatively peaceful overall. He passed away in 2015.

Prince Yuzhang became Emperor of the Qing Dynasty.

u/Cheap_Training9147 — 5 days ago

Okay, I ran out of format to present my Qing emperors scenarios, have Wikiboxes instead.

The point of divergence began with the early death of The Dowager Cixi in 1865 from an infection. The Tongzhi Emperor turned to reformist advisors like Prince Gong. Together, they focused on reforming the Qing Dynasty by blending Western knowledge with traditional Confucian values.

Key reforms included modernizing the military with Western techniques, improving government efficiency to reduce corruption, and implementing industrialization to enhance infrastructure. Education reforms encouraged the study of Western languages and sciences. These efforts resulted in a stronger military and a booming economy.

By the time the 20th century came, the Qing Dynasty managed to democratize the country to such a degree that the Qing Dynasty is left in a situation that power is balanced between the Emperor and the Grand Council (which later became the Parliament). Eventually, the Xuantong Emperor, under the regency of Zaifeng, adopt a constitution that would turned the Qing Dynasty into a Constitutional Monarchy in 1912.

Xuantong Emperor (1908-1967)

Under the new constitution, The Emperor of the Qing Dynasty acted as the Head of State, Commander in Chief, Protector of the Constitution and a symbol of national unity. The Emperor’s main duties mainly involve attending domestic ceremonies and performing state functions.

The Xuantong Emperor’s early reign was marked by him being educated by western-educated tutors to prepare for his role as a constitutional emperor. 1st Qing Prime Minister, Kang Youwei, regularly spent time with The Xuantong Emperor. In his later memoirs, The Xuantong Emperor’s describes Kang as "the only person who can control me, Kang is the only one who said no when nobody else dare would, he’s one of my most important mentor."

When he finally turned 18, he is prepared to rule. Many described him The Xuantong Emperor as reserved and intelligent but socially awkward. As Emperor, he works to create the Updated Manchu Dictionary which added new Manchu words alongside fixing grammars. He works to collect historical artifacts like oracle bones, bamboo and wooden slips, and Dunhuang manuscripts, all of which are invaluable materials for understanding ancient China. His marriage of Wanrong became a major event in the Qing Dynasty. Wanrong became a fashion icon and an advocate for women’s rights.

When the Second Sino-Japanese War began, because the Qing Dynasty recovered early (thanks to Prime Minister Cai E abandoned the gold standard leading to currency devaluation and active fiscal spendings), more people have faith in the Qing Dynasty. The Qing military is more unified in resisting the Japanese. The Xuantong Emperor visited bombed cities and toured hospitals to help boost morale for Qing soldiers through broadcasted wartime addresses. The All For China speech was declared, emphasizing national unity and anti-imperial nationalism.

In his later reign, the Xuantong Emperor sponsored many projects supports artifact restoration, genealogy services, preservation of imperial archives such as traditional music and clothing. Wanrong was assassinated by an ultranationalist in 1960 who despised her influence, believing the old way are dying. The Xuantong Emperor remains unmarried and mostly withdrew from public eyes. His withdrawal from public’s eyes for his last 7 years cause a deep detachment from the Qing monarchy to the people.

The Xuantong Emperor passed away in 1967, Pujie succeeded him as the Tianyou Emperor.

Tianyou Emperor (1967-1994)

When the Tianyou Emperor was coronated, many Chinese were unsure on whether the newly coronated Emperor be just as invisible as the Xuantong Emperor. The Tianyou Emperor announced that, in his speech, that he would dedicate his reign into serving the people and that he hope in the years to come everyone will be able to take pride in their nation regardless of what challenges to come.

The Tianyou Emperor’s reign was marked by his dedication to creating diplomatic ties with other nations. The Tianyou Emperor became the first Qing Emperor to visit the State of Japan and the United Republic of Korea to repair tense relations between the Qing and Japan/Korea. The Tianyou Emperor continue his brother’s legacy such as restore Qing archives and continuing the updated Manchu dictionary. He starts to build relationships with Chinese through the Grand Tour, aiming to foster unity amongst Qing Dynasty.

Under his reign, he sponsored the creation of the Imperial Restoration Museum which aimed to restore artifacts and the Academy of Chinese Studies which aimed to teach social studies about Chinese Imperial History. He became the first Qing emperor to visit the United States. The Tianyou Emperor oversaw the opening of most of the Forbidden City to tourists.

His biggest achievement is turning the Qing monarchy from a distant entity to playing a more active role in shaping the Qing Dynasty such as Tianyou Emperor’s charities and advocacy for disaster reliefs. The Tianyou Emperor passed away, he was succeeded by Puren as the Renzun Emperor.

Renzun Emperor (1994-2015)

The Renzun Emperor was coronated in 1994, following the death of the Tianyou Emperor. Many had high hopes for the new Emperor. As emperor, he was known for his calm and resolute approach whenever the situation in the Qing Dynasty looked hopeless, becoming a symbol of hope in the eyes of many Qing emperors. He was an advocacy for education reforms and literacy within the Qing Dynasty. He visited both rural areas and industrialized cities to bridge the gap between the two. He oversaw the launch of the Qing Internet where he digitalize many of the historical artifacts.

However, his biggest controversy is the Assimilation Question. A controversial question that asked whether to assimilate minorities into Qing Dynasty or not. It remains a tense question amongst people and the parliament with the Royalists supporting it while the Communists refused it and the Nationalists had mixed response. The Renzun Emperor intention remains silent to not appear political as a constitutional monarch which was criticized by many minorities. Despite that, his reign was relatively peaceful overall. He passed away in 2015.

Prince Yuzhang became Emperor of the Qing Dynasty.

u/Cheap_Training9147 — 5 days ago

A couple of Qing Dynasty themed things I made.

  1. A tabloid of the Xianhui Emperor.
  2. A Qing Dynasty Passport.
  3. A history book about the 2012 Qing General Election.
u/Cheap_Training9147 — 6 days ago

Just found my old history book when I lived in the Qing Dynasty. This section is pretty interesting.

The point of divergence began with the early death of The Dowager Cixi in 1865 from an infection. The Tongzhi Emperor turned to reformist advisors like Prince Gong. Together, they focused on reforming the Qing Dynasty by blending Western knowledge with traditional Confucian values.

Key reforms included modernizing the military with Western techniques, improving government efficiency to reduce corruption, and implementing industrialization to enhance infrastructure. Education reforms encouraged the study of Western languages and sciences. These efforts resulted in a stronger military and a booming economy.

By the time the 20th century came, the Qing Dynasty managed to democratize the country to such a degree that the Qing Dynasty is left in a situation that power is balanced between the Emperor and the Grand Council (which later became the Parliament). Eventually, the Xuantong Emperor, under the regency of Zaifeng, adopt a constitution that would turned the Qing Dynasty into a Constitutional Monarchy in 1912.

The 2012 Qing General Election is held on March 30, 2012. The election is marked with numerous crisis such as the the Chinese economy haven’t been recovered since the 2008 recession with unemployment and inflation rates at an all times high or notable social issues such as the fear of assimilation held by the linguistic, religious and cultural minorities alongside issues such as sectarian violence, separatism, and LGBT+ rights.

However, the biggest elephant in the room needed to be addressed is the Honghui Scandal. Prince Honghui (2nd Son of Renzun Emperor) was caught in a scandal where millions of dollars in his charity funds were embezzled rather than going to impoverished families, representing one of the largest public embezzlement scandals in world history.

He admitted that in an apology that he did it because he needs to pay off his company’s (The Honghui’s Sports and Entertainment Agency) financial crisis. However, Prince Honghui was distanced by his own family. This creates a major division amongst Chinese with some defends the Qing monarchy with a small but loud minority of republicans exploits the situation by proving that the monarchy is corrupt.

Let’s now look at the 3 most popular candidates:

Liu Yandong (Royalist Party): A princeling just like Xi and leader of the Royalist Party since February 10, 2012, Liu previously served as Minister of Foreign Affairs. Liu supports traditional social conservative policies such as cultural assimilation of minorities with economic nationalism.

Xi Jinping (Communist Party): A princeling like Liu and leader of the Communist Party since February 1, 2012. Xi began his career in the coastal provinces. He believes in welfare state like universal healthcare and labor protections.

Ma Ying-jeou (Nationalist Party): A lawyer by profession and leader of the Nationalist Party since January 30, 2012. Ma previously served as mayor of Taipei. Ma supports incremental reform, alongside economic growth and national unity.

There are more parties than these 3 but these are the most important one.

The 2012 Qing Dynasty general election debates were held. In the debates, candidates discussed major issues, notably the Honghui Scandal. Controversially, Liu had to defend the monarchy while condemning Honghui which received mixed reaction from people who some views her as a hypocrite while some views her as a loyalist to the throne but not the man. Meanwhile, Ma takes on a moderate approach, aiming for parliamentary oversight of imperial finances while Xi use this as proof that aristocracy and capitalism are intertwined.

The results are in…no parties secure a majority of seats. The Communists won with 397 seats while the Royalists won with 391 seats and the Nationalists won with 375 seats. The rest of the 244 seats were divided by minor parties. As a result, coalition were formed. Despite the Communists having the most seats in the election, the Royalists and Nationalists agreed to combined powers to secure a majority of seats in the parliament.

u/Cheap_Training9147 — 8 days ago

Solidify Our Golden Banner - the Forbidden Manor.

The point of divergence begins when the Articles of Favorable Treatment are completely different than in our timeline, where the Forbidden City would be administered as a special administrative region of the Republic of China and maintain its autonomy, and the Qing Imperial Family would be granted special privileges, such as allowing Xuantong Emperor to maintain his title, their own personal army consisted of 200 men led by Zhang Zuolin and a generous annual subsidy to the family by the new Republic government. Under the conditions that the Xuantong Emperor must remain neutral in conflicts. This move was made as a compromise to avoid further conflict. Many Qing loyalists remained in or fled to the Forbidden City.

Many loyalists who stayed at the Forbidden City acted as Puyi’s advisors. When Puyi turned 18 years old, he can finally rule on his own. The Xuantong Emperor’s first act is to establish many ceremonial traditions to stay relevant. He established many ceremonies such as calligraphy for holidays. He also works to create the Updated Manchu Dictionary which added new Manchu words alongside fixing grammars. He also works to collect historical artifacts like oracle bones, bamboo and wooden slips, and Dunhuang manuscripts, all of which are invaluable materials for understanding ancient China. The Xuantong Emperor also created its own passport and its own commemorative coins and stamps.

During World War 2 when the Japanese captured Beijing, the Xuantong Emperor refused to leave the Forbidden City despite Japanese threats, becoming a symbol of defiance. During the Chinese Civil War, when the CCP captured Beijing. The CCP, fully aware that if they do anything to Puyi, they would faced backlash for his popularity for his bravery against Japan alongside being a preserver of Chinese history but they still wanted his influence gone. The CCP kicked out Puyi peacefully and still handed them their historical artifacts. Puyi eventually flee to Hong Kong temporarily before officially seeking asylum to Taiwan. When Puyi arrived in Taipei, he purchased a manor where it was renamed the Forbidden Manor.

Later, Puyi went to the Supreme Court of Taiwan to argued for extraterritoriality. Puyi’s lawyers also argued that since the Republic of China is the legal heir to the Qing Dynasty, they argued that since the Republic of China’s power and legitimacy comes from the Edict of Abdication, breaking the Article of Favorable Treatment, which was part of that change would make the the Republic of China’s legal system invalidated. Surprisingly, the Taiwanese Supreme Court ruled in favor of Puyi, arguing that his manor is not just a house, but an extraterritoriality. After his victory, Puyi stated that they aren’t aiming to challenge China or Taiwan’s legitimacy, but that he aimed to be the continuation of the Chinese Imperial System. It is not a country, it is a Hereditary Autonomous Cultural Estate. They focused on being an Ambassador of Manchu Culture, preserve and restore artifacts through donations and offered genealogical services. The current Emperor is the Xianhui Emperor.

u/Cheap_Training9147 — 8 days ago

A Chaotic History of Kowloon Walled City/Qing Dynasty.

This is my take on [this scenario](https://www.deviantart.com/rvbomally/art/EEUSG-Qing-Dynasty-Kowloon-616463585) except with my interpretations.

The point of divergence starts when after the coup against the Guangxu Emperor, Dowager Cixi began a crackdown on many reformers in the Qing Dynasty. Kang Youwei and his supporters, fully aware of their fate if they don’t do anything, immediately flees the Qing Dynasty with the help of British allies. Instead of Japan, they flee to Kowloon Walled City due to its legal ambiguity for being a Qing exclave surrounding by British territory under Chinese’s rule.

When news of Kang Youwei with 150 supporters like Liang Qichao flee to Kowloon Walled City, Dowager Cixi demands the British to arrested the reformers in Kowloon Walled City but the British refused, arguing that it’s an internal matters as Kowloon Walled City is Qing territory. As more reformers and their families flee to Kowloon Walled City, the population dramatically increases.

When the Qing Dynasty eventually collapsed, many Qing loyalists began fleeing to Kowloon Walled City while some chose to leave Kowloon Walled City including Liang Qichao who wants to help China more. Kowloon Walled City became a hub for hardline Qing loyalists. They proclaims the Kowloon Walled City as the continuation of the Qing Dynasty with Puyi as their Emperor despite the fact that Puyi wasn’t even aware of their proclamation. The proclamation was ignored by everyone with Britain still recognizes Kowloon Walled City as part of China.

Desperate for funds, the Kowloon Walled City initially welcomed tourism to help fund the city. But as tourism declined by 1920, the Kowloon Walled City desperately needed ways to make money. As a desperate move, The Kowloon Walled City starts to sold most of their historical archives such as oracle bones, bamboo and wooden slips, and Dunhuang manuscripts to the British Museum or private collectors in exchange for money.

In 1930s, the Qing loyalists in Kowloon Walled City agreed to permit entries to triads in 1930s in exchange for riches. They also help the triads in their crimes in exchange for protection. When the British demands the loyalists to hand over the criminals, Kowloon Walled City refused. Meanwhile, the Republic of China opposed any British attacks on Kowloon Walled City, viewing it as a military site, while both sides couldn't act against the criminals.

As news of the no man’s land in Kowloon Walled City spreads, more triads starts to flee to Kowloon Walled City. When World War 2 happened, the Kowloon Walled City was occupied by Japan with most Japanese occupying forces demolished the city. Despite the chaotic situation in the Kowloon Walled City, many (mostly triads) still remain in Kowloon Walled City after the war

Kowloon Walled City remains a no man’s land until 1973. The police finally intervened in Kowloon Walled City after increasing chaos and massive drug trafficking exposed by journalists. The Qing Regime finally collapsed as more than 2,500 criminals were arrested including descendants of reformers who help the triads.

u/Cheap_Training9147 — 8 days ago

What if the Qing Dynasty survived…in a similar situation to the Sovereign Military Order of Malta?

The point of divergence begins when the Articles of Favorable Treatment are completely different than in our timeline, where the Forbidden City would be administered as a special administrative region of the Republic of China and maintain its autonomy, and the Qing Imperial Family would be granted special privileges, such as allowing Xuantong Emperor to maintain his title, their own personal army consisted of 200 men led by Zhang Zuolin and a generous annual subsidy to the family by the new Republic government. Under the conditions that the Xuantong Emperor must remain neutral in conflicts. This move was made as a compromise to avoid further conflict. Many Qing loyalists remained in or fled to the Forbidden City.

Many loyalists who stayed at the Forbidden City acted as Puyi’s advisors. When Puyi turned 18 years old, he can finally rule on his own. The Xuantong Emperor’s first act is to establish many ceremonial traditions to stay relevant. He established many ceremonies such as calligraphy for holidays. He also works to create the Updated Manchu Dictionary which added new Manchu words alongside fixing grammars. He also works to collect historical artifacts like oracle bones, bamboo and wooden slips, and Dunhuang manuscripts, all of which are invaluable materials for understanding ancient China. The Xuantong Emperor also created its own passport and its own commemorative coins and stamps.

During World War 2 when the Japanese captured Beijing, the Xuantong Emperor refused to leave the Forbidden City despite Japanese threats, becoming a symbol of defiance. During the Chinese Civil War, when the CCP captured Beijing. The CCP, fully aware that if they do anything to Puyi, they would faced backlash for his popularity for his bravery against Japan alongside being a preserver of Chinese history but they still wanted his influence gone. The CCP kicked out Puyi peacefully and still handed them their historical artifacts. Puyi eventually flee to Hong Kong temporarily before officially seeking asylum to Taiwan. When Puyi arrived in Taipei, he purchased a manor where it was renamed the Forbidden Manor.

Later, Puyi went to the Supreme Court of Taiwan to argued for extraterritoriality. Puyi’s lawyers also argued that since the Republic of China is the legal heir to the Qing Dynasty, they argued that since the Republic of China’s power and legitimacy comes from the Edict of Abdication, breaking the Article of Favorable Treatment, which was part of that change would make the the Republic of China’s legal system invalidated. Surprisingly, the Taiwanese Supreme Court ruled in favor of Puyi, arguing that his manor is not just a house, but an extraterritoriality. After his victory, Puyi claimed that they aren’t aiming to challenge China or Taiwan’s legitimacy, but that he aimed to be the continuation of the Chinese Imperial System. They focused on being an Ambassador of Manchu Culture, preserve and restore artifacts through donations and offered genealogical services.

u/Cheap_Training9147 — 14 days ago

The point of divergence begins when the Articles of Favorable Treatment are completely different than in our timeline, where the Forbidden City would be administered as a special administrative region of the Republic of China and maintain its autonomy, and the Qing Imperial Family would be granted special privileges, such as allowing Xuantong Emperor to maintain his title, their own personal army consisted of 200 men led by Zhang Zuolin and a generous annual subsidy to the family by the new Republic government. Under the conditions that the Xuantong Emperor must remain neutral in conflicts. This move was made as a compromise to avoid further conflict. Many Qing loyalists remained in or fled to the Forbidden City.

Many loyalists who stayed at the Forbidden City acted as Puyi’s advisors. When Puyi turned 18 years old, he can finally rule on his own. The Xuantong Emperor’s first act is to establish many ceremonial traditions to stay relevant. He established many ceremonies such as calligraphy for holidays. He also works to create the Updated Manchu Dictionary which added new Manchu words alongside fixing grammars. He also works to collect historical artifacts like oracle bones, bamboo and wooden slips, and Dunhuang manuscripts, all of which are invaluable materials for understanding ancient China. The Xuantong Emperor also created its own passport and its own commemorative coins and stamps.

During World War 2 when the Japanese captured Beijing, the Xuantong Emperor refused to leave the Forbidden City despite Japanese threats, becoming a symbol of defiance. During the Chinese Civil War, when the CCP captured Beijing. The CCP, fully aware that if they do anything to Puyi, they would faced backlash for his popularity for his bravery against Japan alongside being a preserver of Chinese history but they still wanted his influence gone. The CCP kicked out Puyi peacefully and still handed them their historical artifacts. Puyi eventually flee to Hong Kong temporarily before officially seeking asylum to Taiwan. When Puyi arrived in Taipei, he purchased a manor where it was renamed the Forbidden Manor.

Later, Puyi went to the Supreme Court of Taiwan to argued for extraterritoriality. Puyi’s lawyers also argued that since the Republic of China is the legal heir to the Qing Dynasty, they argued that since the Republic of China’s power and legitimacy comes from the Edict of Abdication, breaking the Article of Favorable Treatment, which was part of that change would make the the Republic of China’s legal system invalidated. Surprisingly, the Taiwanese Supreme Court ruled in favor of Puyi, arguing that his manor is not just a house, but an extraterritoriality. After his victory, Puyi claimed that they aren’t aiming to challenge China or Taiwan’s legitimacy, but that he aimed to be the continuation of the Chinese Imperial System. They focused on being an Ambassador of Manchu Culture, preserve and restore artifacts through donations and offered genealogical services.

u/Cheap_Training9147 — 17 days ago

Essentially, the Articles of Favorable Treatment are completely different than in our timeline, where the Forbidden City would be administered as a special administrative region of the Republic of China and maintain its autonomy, and the Qing Imperial Family would be granted special privileges, such as allowing Emperor Xuantong to maintain his title. But under the condition that once the Xuantong Emperor passed away, the Forbidden City would lose its autonomous status. This move was made as a compromise to avoid further conflict. Many Qing loyalists remained in or fled to the Forbidden City. Under the regency of Zaifeng, he agreed to establish the position of Prime Minister to provide a stable and non-partisan figurehead (Xuantong Emperor) that remains in place regardless of political changes in the Republic of China.

u/Cheap_Training9147 — 2 months ago