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Another Comic: "JOUR J: SOVIET SECTOR, PARIS"

Another Comic read and as always a Timeline for you guys. I hope you like it. I always like to read your thoughts on it.

1936

Capitaine Saint-Elme works for the Vice Squad (Brigade des mœurs) in Marseille.

​Under orders from Corsican mob boss Antoine Guérini, Saint-Elme conducts a raid on a brothel at the Old Port (Vieux-Port) and rescues seven underage girls, including Louison and Tentation.

1940

France suffers military defeat (la débâcle) against Nazi Germany in June. ​General Charles de Gaulle launches the appeal of June 18; Saint-Elme joins the Gaullist resistance network from the outset.

​Colonel Duplessy remains attached to the general staff of General Henri Giraud and follows him into German captivity. ​Louison, Tentation, Odette, and Line flee Marseille and relocate to Paris.

1942

In March, Saint-Elme arrives in Paris on an intelligence mission and recruits Louison, Tentation, Odette, and Line as operatives.

​The women infiltrate German Wehrmacht officer brothels to extract military intelligence. ​The Guérini brothers align their criminal network with the French Résistance.

1943

In Algiers, Charles de Gaulle and General Giraud clash over leadership of the French Committee of National Liberation (CFLN), cementing long-term institutional animosity between Gaullists (Saint-Elme) and Giraudists (Duplessy).

1944

General Charles de Gaulle dies in a plane crash over the Mediterranean sea.​ ||Edit because I forgot to mention it: (Its mentioned that a Storm and several SS-Tank Divisions made the landing at Normandy much more harder than Operation Dragoon)||. Following Operation Dragoon in Provence, the Allied advance stalls for six months before Lyon ("the Stalingrad on the Saône").

​Joseph Stalin halts the Soviet summer offensive, leaving the Red Army to absorb the German counter-offensive while Western Allied forces remain bogged down.

1945

The French 1st Army finally enters Lyon, while the Red Army advances westward all the way to the Rhine.​Saint-Elme's female operatives are decorated for their wartime service and transitioned into France's foreign intelligence agency (SDECE).

​Dr. Marcel Petiot evades prosecution and the guillotine, putting his forensic and medical services at the disposal of Soviet authorities.

1946

In autumn, the communist Francs-tireurs et partisans (FTP) launch an armed uprising in Paris. ​Marshal Georgy Zhukov enters Paris with T-34 tank divisions to back the communist faction.

​The Right Bank is formally proclaimed the Democratic French Republic (DFR) under Maurice Thorez, permanently partitioning Paris along a fortified and mined Seine boundary.

1947 - 1951

The Soviet Union detonates its first atomic weapon with the assistance of captured German scientists.

​The United States deploys Convair B-36 Peacemaker bombers under General Curtis LeMay, developing plans for pre-emptive nuclear strikes.

​The DFR internal security apparatus establishes headquarters at 93 Rue Lauriston under the People's Political Police (PFP), harboring Dr. Petiot under Beria's direct patronage.

1951 (Year of the Plot)

An impending East-West Peace Conference is scheduled at the Palais de Challiot while a string of mutilated prostitute murders shakes the Right Bank.

Operative Louison is murdered on the Pont au Change before delivering intelligence concerning underground Bavarian nuclear facilities. ​General Curtis LeMay and the SDECE assign Saint-Elme to a joint Allied-Soviet investigation across the Seine as a cover to contact his compromised network.

​Saint-Elme links up with Capitaine-Camarade Donnadieu (PFP) and attends Dr. Petiot's autopsy, deducing the presence of an accomplice. ​Saint-Elme rendezvouses with Tentation at the "Star" cinema; after a firefight aided by an ex-SS sniper, both escape over rooftops and industrial yards before being ferried across the Seine by Romani boatmen.

​At Western headquarters, Colonel Duplessy and British liaison officers issue Saint-Elme a 24-hour ultimatum to verify the Bavarian arms data while dismissing his findings as Soviet disinformation.

​Saint-Elme and Tentation re-infiltrate the Right Bank, breach Petiot's clinic on Rue Le Sueur, and uncover his execution gas chamber, quicklime pits, and looted luggage.

​Following a vehicle chase into Pigalle, Petiot is cornered and shot dead; the passenger of Petiot (who is implied to be Beria) shoots and wounds Tentation, and Soviet security forces arrest Saint-Elme.

​Donnadieu deactivates the cell microphones, revealing herself as the "Chinese woman" and writer Marguerite Duras. She discloses that the Bavarian weapons were a western pretext: Duplessy and LeMay intended to sacrifice Saint-Elme as a decoy to scrap the Peace Conference and initiate war using B-36 bombers.

​Duras provides Saint-Elme with an incriminating dossier documenting Beria and Petiot's crimes, instructing him to pass it to François Mitterrand and Albert Camus.

​Gang boss Antoine "Mémé" Guérini smuggles Saint-Elme and a recovered Tentation through subterranean tunnels under the Seine into the basement of the Institut de France.

​The manuscript is delivered via Romani couriers to Albert Camus at Le Monde, who halts the presses to publish the headline "QUI VEUT LA GUERRE?", exposing the conspiracy and averting World War III.

​Supplied with forged documents from Charles Pasqua, Saint-Elme and Tentation disappear to the coast to leave Europe permanently.

u/Altruistic-Path269 — 11 days ago

What if Germany Unified

As everyone should know. In 1866, the Austrian Empire defeated Prussia and continued to rule over the German States. This lead to Otto von Bismarck's plan of German unification never happening. But what if Prussia actually succeeded. I imagine that they would do this through a few wars. I also imagine that France would agree to cede Alsace-Lorraine in exchange for a guarantee of nonaggression. This isn't too realistic though because I'm sure that Austria couldn't be so incompetent that they would lose control of Germany. I also see Italy unifying but that would also be unrealistic because Austria would have to be really incompetent to lose to a small Italian State.

EDIT: seeing as I am now being called a larper for a half assed joke map. I should clarify, I was making a joke, if I actually cared about this I wouldn't have missed East Prussia and Western Pomerania. I'm not stupid or larping, I just wanted to make a joke about the average "Perfect Germany" scenario. This map took me about 8 minutes to make (not counting the background map for Europe). For the final time this was a satire post. And seeing as people care, I will fix it. in the comments or whatever it is called on reddit.

u/QuoiTheSupremeLeader — 11 days ago

Crackhead Althist: What would happen if I dropped a single Tylosaurus in the Mediterranean Sea during Ancient Rome?

Context: First image shows Tylosaurus Rex which is a newly described species of Mosasaur, its name means "King of the Tylosaurs", it grew up to 43 feet (13 meters) & lived 80 million years ago in the Late Cretaceous.

2nd Image shows a photo collage, upper image shows what I think the Mediterranean Sea looked like under Roman occupation in my chosen era & the bottom one is a depiction of a Roman City for the vibes.

Lore: I dropped the Tylosaurus rex into the Mediterranean Sea; it was biologically augmented to survive climate stress, resist ancient diseases & easily hunt its preferred prey without altering its natural appearance or behavior.

I chose a late sub-adult male so It can live & grow inside the basin for years, as well as to discourage breeding.

I chose a Tylosaurus instead of a Mosasaurus because of the species' iconic rostrum which, is still being debated on whether they used it for ramming prey, thermoregulation or even both.

But if it could than it has a chance of fighting back to protect itself from the physical harassment it would possibly endure from the Roman Navy.

if this behavior continues between both parties, with the enhanced immune system of the Tylosaurus it would accumulate scarring on its body over the years rather than dying from infected wounds.

The period of Rome I chose is the 2nd century AD for the reason that during this time they've controlled the entire coastline & all of the Mediterranean Sea even giving it the name *Mare Nostrum.*

Questions:

  1. What are the effects of the Tylosaurus on the Roman's maritime dominion?

  2. How weird would this creature be (appearance wise) to the Romans, what would they call it?

  3. How would the Romans stop it if the creature's presence in their sea cause significant changes in its environment?

  4. What would happen if they successfully killed the creature after years of terror?

  5. What would also happen if the creature simply escaped the Mediterranean unbeknownst to them after years of its terror?

u/Pedropickapepsi5979 — 11 days ago

It’s 1946 and the German Reich has been defeated.

In this timeline, Operation Barbarossa was a success, partly due to better planning by the Germans and Order 227 never being rescinded. The Red Army is slowly chipped away and the Germans eventually take Stalingrad and eventually move on to Moscow, pushing the Eastern Front further. After capturing Moscow in 1943 Hitler gives the order for special teams of the Army to advance to Kuybyshev to kill Stalin and the Politburo, as planes manufactured in Moscow begin to carpet-bomb the city.

This focus on the Eastern Front leaves the Western Front open, as the Allied Powers were not scared away, as Hitler had hoped, by the loss of the USSR. Britain does a few failed landings in France, and are repelled for a short while by German forces, but eventually they break through and manage to, in 1944, liberate France. At this time Italy is invaded and Victor Emmanuel III ousts Mussolini from his position, forcing him to go into hiding as British and American troops parade through the streets of Rome. All trade between Germany and Japan are stopped, citing a more pressing need for them in the Reich than in Japan. This leaves Japan weaker and more bitter towards the Reich, and they surrender in 1945 when troops from the USA land on their shores.

A week after Kuybyshev is invaded and the Politburo of the USSR, including Stalin, are found and executed, Hitler flees Berlin, having both seen the shifting Western Front as the Allies move into Belgium and the Netherlands, and having heard rumours of an American super weapon that they are eager to test. He flees with his Cabinet first to Munich, then when that is viewed unsafe, eastwards, to a bunker built in the Carpathian Mountains dug in 1943.

In December of 1945 the USA drops an atomic bomb on Berlin, neutralising the capital of the Third Reich and ensuring total defeat. And, in the early months of 1946, after trying to form some sort of salient new government, Hitler and his Cabinet commit suicide in the Carpathian bunker. Walther von Brauchitsch, the new leader of the German Reich, announces their surrender, and is taken into captivity by Allied Forces.

What would the rest of the 20th Century look like in this alternate version of Axis defeat?

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u/Silk_Cabinet — 11 days ago
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Geography Check: Can a fictional North Atlantic island exist without breaking real-world history and oceanography?

I’m working on an alternate history / speculative fiction project where I’ve added one big island to the North Atlantic. My one hard rule is that the real world stays exactly as it is. No rewritten Cold War, no frozen Europe, no world-ending ocean crisis. The island matters a lot inside the story, but to the rest of the world it’s just there, known about and mostly ignored.

The island

  • It’s about the size of Iceland, roughly 100,000 km², and volcanic.
  • It sits at 57 to 59°N, 30 to 35°W in the Irminger Basin, right on top of the Reykjanes Ridge (the northern arm of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge).
  • It’s in the middle of the North Atlantic’s storm nursery, so it’s almost always under fog and bad weather. For centuries it only existed on old charts as a rumour, a phantom island. Today most people live in sheltered fjords on the southeast coast, so from outside it just looks like a cold, unfriendly rock. People know it exists. They just never think about it.

Why it didn’t change history

  • It was settled in the late 800s by Christian refugees running from Viking raids in Britain. They already had a Christian court and could read and write, so when the Atlantic routes opened in the 1490s, Europe didn’t treat the island as empty land to take. It treated it like a medieval kingdom preserved in amber and got a bit romantic about it.
  • By the 1600s it had drifted into England’s trade orbit through treaties, not war. Today it’s a very independent, self-governing territory, closely aligned with NATO and sitting near the GIUK Gap.

The crisis

The plot turns on an industrial disaster that destroys the capital, and I want to check whether the physics and geography hold up without breaking my “keep the world the same” rule.

  1. The brush-off. A reckless high-pressure injection campaign at an inland geothermal (EGS) field starts causing small seismic anomalies. Intelligence agencies and mainstream oceanographers wave it away. They compare it to the debunked 2001 La Palma mega-tsunami theory and tell their governments there’s no transatlantic wave risk to the US, because deep water weakens the wave, and Ireland and Britain shield the English Channel from anything coming from the northwest anyway.
  2. What actually happens. The experts are right about the ocean and wrong about the city. Using the 2017 Pohang earthquake in South Korea as the model, the injected fluid slips a hidden fault right under the capital and sets off a very shallow quake, around 4 km deep.
  3. The damage. Because it’s so shallow, the city gets a violent, sharp jolt instead of a long rolling one. The port liquefies, the pressurised district heating lines blow out, and a small section of coast collapses, but only inside the fjord. The capital goes down into the deep water of the basin. The rest of the island is fine, and so is the rest of the world’s ocean.

What I’d love help with

  • Does this hold up geographically and oceanographically? Is the real scientific consensus against the La Palma mega-wave a believable reason for big governments to shrug off a local seismic crisis in the North Atlantic?
  • With the island on the Reykjanes Ridge and near the GIUK Gap, how would Western intelligence actually handle a huge but very local disaster on an allied sovereign island, if it doesn’t touch any transatlantic infrastructure?
  • Does a 9th-century Christian origin plus a 17th-century English orbit work as a “legal passport” to fit a big new island into European history without knocking everything else off course?

Thanks for any thoughts on the geography or the history.

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u/tesslover12 — 8 days ago
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Memes from a Alternate Timeline I’m making

Lore: France does slightly better in Iberia, British forces become distracted and America invades the maritime colonies. This results in DC being much more burned down and abandoned for Philadelphia by the Union forces. In the Ghent Treaty the U.S. gains the maritime colonies due to the UK just wanting to finish France atp.

These memes are about WWI-Cold War stuff, where due to the large butterfly effect Germany wins WW1 as the U.S. is neutral WWII begins as the U.S. fights in a Civil War, they than join and launch Nuclear weapons at Kokura and Berlin causing Central Powers defeat, and a Cold War between a not collapsed empire of China and Soviet Union last to modern day (also Apartheid South Africa is larping as a great power and everyone treats them as one for some reason)

Ask more questions in the comments if you have them :)
(Sorry if it’s low effort I just used mematic and this is my first post here)

u/DinoRickyYT — 12 days ago

Need help restructuring alternate Missouri Compromise!

Hey all, I'm doing a small "for fun" alternate history side project where Benedict Arnold's Quebec invasion succeeds, adding 3 new states to America (parts of Ontario, Nova Scotia, and New Brunswick.) Throughout this US's history, the south is in a minority by 3 states. There's a few outcomes I could think of that could come up:

- James Madison, with the pressure of a stronger north, finally decides to gradually abolish slavery.

- An early succession happens.

- The Missouri Compromise happens earlier or is much more aggressive to compensate for the south's lack of representation.

I've thought about going with the 3rd one; I just don't know where to place the compromise line. IF I place the compromise line differently (which I'd have to) how on earth do I divide these wildly alien states?

I'm pretty new to this and it's giving me a headache. Could someone give me some help here?

u/NuSoulFStop — 11 days ago

What if the rock apes of the Vietnam war were late surviving gigantopithecus?

(Image 1 is from cryptozoologicon and drawn by John Conway)

This is an account from a soldier’s diary in this alternate timeline:

Son Tra peninsula March 12th 1968

“ Me and the lightning tigers were doing a patrol in the jungles of the Son Tra peninsula. It was late at night, I couldn’t even see my own hand. We were carefully marching trying to see if any pesky Vietnamese were nearby. My friend Chris Attorley whispered: “I see two in this bush over there”. Our lieutenant noticed and silently ordered: “Carefully approach them and then ambush them. Make sure they don’t have backup trees speaking Vietnamese, dismissed”. We silently moved towards them. You could hear the nocturnal animals like monkeys howling in the cloak of darkness as well as insects chirping. The two Vietcong sprinted away as soon as they appeared. “-Cowards!” The lieutenant whispered with a smile. But he wouldn’t be smiling for long. I saw a tall bulky figure that I think had reddish fur. Like the bigfoots I was trying to hunt down that I thought were real, with my brother back in California when we were kids. It was scary but also kind of majestic. More of the creatures appeared. It was a family of them. Soon we were surrounded by them. They were howling, trying to communicate to each other and were even grooming one another. But the lieutenant wasn’t impressed. I think he wanted a cool trophy, so he opened fire on one. The poor animal ran away in pain. “I have seen Charlies that put up a bigger fight than you, bitch.” Soon, I saw a rock being thrown and it severely wounded my friend Chris. “-Ouch, fuck!” He yelled in pain as the boulder had smashed into him, breaking some of his leg bones. I immediately grabbed him and brought him to our medic to give him some first aid. The ape folk were attacking us by throwing rocks at us.
What followed was a fire fight where we shot down three of the apes. But they brought reinforcements. More apes arrived and threw more boulders. Chris’ leg was now stuck between the ground and a rock and his leg was oozing blood. “-Help me!” He screamed. Soon our 14 man platoon was outnumbered and we had to run. Our lieutenant ordered us to leave Chris there. Is he still alive now? Don’t think so ,but I can’t be sure. I am a terrible friend I know, rest in peace Chris if you’re dead.We ran away. This was the most horrifying thing that happened to me in the war. No mortar fire, Vietcong or anything else could match the primal dread of nature.

Sincerely, Johnny”

After this encounter took place, the US military discovered a population of late surviving gigantopithecus blacki (the world’s largest known fossil ape) living in the jungles of Vietnam. They survived in a forested refugium and made it through the environmental calamities of the last ice age, allowing them to survive deep into the Holocene. After their discovery, as few as 20-50 individuals were known to survive. Having gone major population declines due to conflict with soldiers, getting caught in the crossfire of firefights as well as habitat loss by Napalm bombing. Today, they are a protected species and people from all over the world now visit Vietnam to have a chance at seeing these majestic prehistoric apes.

(This account was inspired by the primitive war novels and movie which have dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures in the Vietnam war)

u/Alpha_Bushdog — 11 days ago

How would the '70s hippie and post-hippie culture be different if Lonnie Frisbee had embraced his gayness and become an LGBTQ+ activist within the hippie movement, instead of the two-faced Pentecostal preacher he was?

This is probably a fairly low-stakes question about the '70s compared to the ones regarding Vietnam War participation and so on, but I'd like to hear your thoughts as to whether there would be differences.

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u/MAClaymore — 11 days ago