u/Cold_Comfortable_531

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No hate to the person, hate to their opinions but no hate to them, this is simply a response because i dont like misinformation.

First of all saying the rest of the fandom doesnt understand Burning Spice Cookie because we deny his feelings for Golden Cheese all the while you are the one actively misunderstanding them.

"he constently giggles around her" yeah i think thats sadistic laughter and stuff like im not gonna see you laughing alot when your enemy is looking like a drowned rat and go "Ah! YEP thats a crush" theres context he thinks its funny when she struggles.

"he called her lovely and their fight a dance" I tuned out of this when the conversation happened cus that was completly uncomfortable but i think this is the english translation teams fault because thats so out of character i'll check the korean translation later.

"Eternal sugar cookie points out how hes itching to see her again" Yes but this does not come from a place of love, burning spice cookie is insane, he doesnt want to live anymore but he doesnt want to die a foolish death by taking his own life he wants to go out in glory, he itches to see her again because he believes she has the power to kill him.

"its been implied he has dreams about her in beast yeast ep 14" I'll check this later but as i said above this his goal is to basically get himself killed, not very romantic.

"he completly geeked out about her awakening" yes because she was stronger then ever before- thus meaning she could kill him faster.

To summerise this he does not hate her, but he certainly does not love her, he loves the fact she can kill him because he doesnt want to live anymore hes tired of life.

Im not saying you cant ship them this is lore based i dont care if you ship them go ahead but this isnt true to the LORE

Eternal sugar cookie once known as the Sugar of happiness was sent to grant happiness to the cookies of earthbread, when doing so she wondered why cookies constantly choose to go back to the things that hurt them. When she inevitably corrupted she created a paradise where cookies would be happy and never feel pain, but she herself is also not happy and the cookies she watches over have never been happy in her garden.

If humans were happy all the time then happiness loses its meaning, it becomes the standard, the basic starting feeling that leads up to another feeling. Without sadness, anger, and pain, happiness cannot be special and it cannot bring you warmth. A child cannot be born without its mother feeling the pain of giving birth, victory cannot be important if there was no conflict to start it, but conflict cannot exist without pain. 

You cannot love someone without feeling grief or anger. This is why sadness is so important, it sits opposite from happiness, without happiness sadness is nothing, without sadness happiness is meaningless. 

This and happiness comes in many forms, it will feel different for everyone and it will be brought upon someone in different ways, someone might feel joy at a dog and another will not be phased, eternal sugar cookie fails to see this, she believes all happiness is fundamentally the same, she has not known happiness herself, she does not understand happiness is fleeting and must be earned that's what makes it so special. 

She doesnt understand why someone would be happy with.. just eating a burger, she thinks happiness can only be reached through being slothful and over indulgent.

She believes that because she shares a soul jam with Hollyberry cookie that they were destined to be and will fulfill each other to the fullest, leaving her to fall in love with an idea of Hollyberry cookie, never once did she try to understand why hollyberry cookie was so happy just like all those cookies before hollyberry cookie so thats why eternal sugar cookie has never been happy. 

But idk this was just a mini project in between my massive essay im doing with a friend.

OKAY WARNINGS THESE ARE LEAKS AS I SAID, IM LINKING ALL I WANNA SPEAK ABOUT SO BE WARNED!!

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Okay after these uhmm..... MYSTICSPICE LORE GUYS GUYS NUTMEG TIGER AND PEACH BLOSSOM IS CLEARLY IMPLING MYSTICSPICE/j

okay so fire spirit cookie gets his crystel jam this update YAY so finally but i havent seen what the crystel jam looks like so..(not me trying to avoid the THING)

Okay.. the leaks of white lily and pure vanilla... my god what do you guys think. also got this image.. to cheer up

Ezek1el@SpellCaster08 on twitter

Like im sad WHWYWWYWWY

https://x.com/purelily_DY/status/2085901992807768336

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Got this from the canon map

Strong Flour Ridge: This is most likely where the dragon, wheat noodle dragon rests,

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Wheat noodle dragon is said to be a dragon who used to be gigantic but has shrunk a little in size from sitting in the waters of the broth pond. Not much is known about the wheat noodle dragon but they are in canon.. there CANON!! From what little we do know they have a connection with mystic flour, a seemingly ally one and they met as she was flour of voiltion, we also know they are giant.

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Foods commonly seen in her domain:

peaches, mandu, noodles, dumplings, cherry blossoms, lotuses, wheat, sage, flour, Mooncakes

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Next

Mystic flour cookies ivory pagoda resides on one of the many peaks of a mountain

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From what it seems back when flour of voiliton was still.. herself, there were mulitple buildings spread across the mountain ridge, these were most likely for workers seeing as she does have little workers who play music

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And this seems like the layout of the main building, the ivory pagoda, so if my thoery is correct and there were mutliple buildings then yes of course the ivory pagoda will be the main one

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Types of animals:

Turtles, Haetaes, cranes, a dragon, koi fish, spiders, flying squrriels, frogs, etc.

The dumpling immortals:

Five of them in total they play go high up in the mountains where you must be an immortal to enter, thats why it is above the ivory pagoda and named the e Realm of Immortals, the five dumpling immortals are named steamed dumpling immortal, the jolly leader of the dumpling immortals, his desire is to help those lost, shrimp dumpling immortal, an arrogant but light hearted elder, taking immense pride in their skills, medicinal dimpling immortal, an easy-going healer who seemingly thinks the best way to avoid conflict is to just say "True, true!" to what ever the others say, wonton immortal, a strategist who boasts about their skills, green onion dumpling immortal who is carefree and pretty simple.

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The dumpling kings:

Different from the dumpling immortals, the dumpling kings do not feel anything, they are exstentions of mystic flour cookies soul jam and are protecters of the flour ridge mountains where she resides, each of them guards a different direction of her domain, their names are Meat dumpling king of the east, presenting himself as a moral judge, saying"I bless good Cookies and punish the bad!" then the Spicy Dumpling King of the south, his role teathered to creation saying "My armor is impenetrable, and I bring all things to life!" since we know this is not true, it is just very likely he has the power to give life to the animals of mystic flours domain, also knowing mystic flour can give life to dead cookies and revive them then this makes sense and he may also chose who to keep alive like animals.. because we all know mystic flour cookie isnt REALLY apathetic its her mask and she has many.. MANY animals in her domain so she could believe animals are innocent and so she keeps them alive. Then the Shrimp Dumpling King of the West is the master of wind in her domain, saying "My breath becomes the wind and blows away all evil spirits!" then last is the Chives Dumpling King of the North A deceptive guide who claims, "I became a light for Cookies wandering in the dark!". Rather than actually saving lost travelers, his glowing presence functions as a false beacon, intentionally leading weary, blind wanderers deeper into the heart of the apathy fog until they completely lose their will to fight.

Decor:

Flour cloud: As though someone's will to cover the entire world in white flour has materialized, this cloud keeps pouring down flakes of flour snow.

(So this is where her domain gets most of its snow and there are many of these in her domain)

Flour Covered Mountain: A Cookie once climbed to the top of Open Palm Peak in search of enlightenment and descended with the teachings of Mystic Flour Cookie. Afterwards, they dedicated their life to carving the likeness of the prophet onto mountain slopes here and there.

(So it is here we learn most of the carvings we see across her mountains are done by this unnamed cookie. )

Flour Covered open palm peak: This mountain peak was fashioned by mystic flour cookie herself to resemble an open palm. Once a symbol of enlightenment, after the fall of the Cookie of Volition, it became a gesture of futility.

(And she also used to carve things)

Alter of the seeker: At some point, Mystic Flour Cookie disappeared from her disciples in search of greater enlightenment, but even so, prayers in her temple did not cease, filling its halls with a haze of earnest hope.

Brass Steamer Pagoda: It is said that a scroll fragment containing Mystic Flour Cookie's teachings is sealed within this tiled Pagoda. Over time, more and more Cookies started worshiping the pagoda as if it were Mystic Flour Cookie herself.

Dumpling Censer: Hot, delicious steam is coming out of this censer. While it is supposed to help you rid your mind of distractions, its aroma makes you hungry instead.

Dumpling Kings of the East and South: This taenghwa painting depicts the Meat and Spicy Dumpling Kings. It is meant to help you wash away all worldly attachments.

Dumpling Kings of the West and North: This taenghwa painting depicts the Shrimp and Chives Dumpling Kings. It is meant to help you let go of the anguish nested in your soul.

Ivory Pagoda Bronze Bridge: This bridge separates the world of mortal from the land of purity. The Ivory Pagoda is built to make one cross a bridge like that at least once if they are to reach Mystic Flour Cookie's inner shrine.

Ivory Pagoda Bronze Gates: Gates like that, adorned with bronze tiles and steamed roll cresting, server as boundaries between the smaller temples of the Ivory Pagoda. In the past, Cookies coming to this place in search of enlightenment would practice letting go of worldly attachments one by one each time they passed through these gates.

Ivory Pagoda Bronze wall: Countless Cookies once visited the Ivory Pagoda in hopes of witnessing their prophet. The line would stretch all the way to the temple's outskirts. Those who had to wait behind the walls would try their hardest to have a tiny peak above the bronze tiles... In the end, did they find the spiritual healing they sought? We will never know.

Ivory Pagoda Introspection Pond: Tiny fish race carefree in the pond, lotus leaves sway gently on the surface... Keep looking at the water, and, with time, your agitated soul will find its calmness.

Ivory Pagoda Tiles: Like everything in this place of asceticism, these smooth, regular stone tiles are fitted together so tightly there is simply no space for stray thought to seep in.

Ivory Pagoda Waterway: An endless stream of somber gold flows calmly between the smooth stones tiles. This water possesses the mystical quality of turning completely colorless as soon as you leave the Ivory Pagoda grounds.

Mandu Lantern: A faint light shines through from inside the dumplings. Sometimes, what guides us in times of turmoil is not the word of a saint but a tiny ray of hope.

Meat Mandu Flower: Mandu flowers like this grow all over the Ivory Pagoda grounds. Just one of these can serve as a hearty meal. History remembers many who entered the temple to date their hunger yet left changed by Mystic Flour Cookie's teachings.

Meditating Cookie Statue: This statue depicts a Cookie meditating atop a steamer-shaped pedestal. How long did this disciple have to meditate before they could forget all that once used to trouble their heart? The Cookie's closed eyes are never to be opened again, despite the delicate petals that descended onto their head as offering consolation.

Mooncake Bench: This is one of the few soft and comfortable pieces of furniture in the Ivory Pagoda fashioned of stern bronze and stone. It is said that the temple's dwellers often turned to these benches when seeking rest from rigorous monastic practices.

Mooncake Gong: This Gong was used to announce the beginning of a service at the Ivory Pagoda. Now its sound resonates within the temple's empty halls...

Mountain Dumpling Tree: This tree took roots on the barren edge of the cliff upon which the Ivory Pagoda was built. While the appetizing fruit might seem within reach, remember that temptation is just as perilous as the abyss beneath the tree's branches.

Mugwort Rice Cake Tree: Somehow, this evergreen tree remains the only patch of vibrant color withing the somber Ivory Pagoda. The discussions about its mysterious properties are just as evergreen!

Seeker of Apathy: A statue of a Cookie who sought the good of everyone. Alas, the Cookie's determination was ripped asunder, leading her to realize utmost futility. Now, only this statue is left for us to contemplate on the fate of that who was the paragon of noble volition.

Siu Mai Flower: These flowers used to be the favorite of the Ivory Pagoda's master. Once planted all over the temple's grounds, they have long but lost their significance to the Leavened One.

(Awh nice she had a favorite flower!)

Steamed Roll Haetae Statue: This statue proudly guards the entrance to the Ivory Pagoda. Some say it has an uncanny ability to sense the smell of false obsessions.

Turtle Mooncake Game Board: Immortals say that the world's wisdom is hidden within intricate patterns formed by stones on the surface of the Go board. Whether this is true or not, the turtle only smiles delightedly, paying no heed to the battles unraveling atop its back. Perhaps it, too, has found wisdom beyond our ken.

Vegetable Mandu Bud: When this flower blooms, its filling falls into the pond and becomes food for the fish. Then, various small creatures will build nests among the empty petals. Some Cookies compare these flowers to saints who devote their lives to helping lesser beings.

Xiaolongbao Bud: This flower is almost ready to bloom. Once it does, try to keep your distance. The Ivory Pagoda remembers countless stories of disciples covered in aromatic broth with meditating.

Peach of immortality:

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The peach of immortality would most likely be grown somewhere in the immortal peach blossom cookies garden, obviously upon consumtion a mortal will turn into an immortal.

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Other Places around her domain include

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Another area for go and hotsprings.

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This is the inside of the ivory pagoda

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This would be another area

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This too lol.. Though suprizingly we dont get to see much of the ivory pagoda but its most likely huge.

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might update this later but which beast should i do next??

so like for the ancients im thinking like normal ahh names and for the beasts im thinking angelic names BUT BECAUSEEE so like the witches named them flour of voltion etc so like they would name them anglic stuff because the witches im assuming would have thought the beasts were gonna be holy, i already have sariel micheals for smc and logan smth for longan dragon cookie so what about the other 13???

So theres a rumor or smth going on that in this update pure vanilla and white lily are gonna be like Eurydice and Orpheus... as we know pure vanilla is trying to bring white lily back to life... just like orpheus tried to save eurydice from tarturus... and as we already know orpheus fucks up and eurydice gets sent back to the underworld.... SO- eurydice and orpheus were lovers...... just like the leaked "the lovers" card which is 10% romantic and more about really tough choices and pure vanilla had the choice to bring white lily back and risk his life or greif her... tough choices... he is gonna make more and in the end the tough choice will be that he has to leave her behind and she becomes the queen of the underworld.

BEFOREEE i say these i would like to remind everyone your ships are vaild, if the canon lore doesnt support your ship its fine to ship it for fun. Please keep this civil because i am also a human with feelings,

CANON:

MintCocoa... and im sure theres something else but this is basically the most canon ship i can think of

CRUSHES:

Candy apple cookie crushes on shadow milk.. im pretty sure she acts like it but blah its a celebertiy crush. shadow milk crushes on pure vanilla, as seen in the cake hound desc every shadowvanilla shipper on earth has read and recites it like the bible. pure vanilla has a crush on white lily cookie everyone knows that. white lily cookie has a crush on elder faerie cookie as seen in the diolouge before she goes to the witches banquete, elder faerie also crushes on white lily because he asked her to be his queen basically and asked her to build a life in the faerie kingdom.

eternal sugar cookie crushes on hollyberry cookie, hollyberry generally feels uncomfortable with eternal sugar and wants eternal sugar to get better, pitaya dragon might have a SLIGHT little subconsious crush on hollyberry cookie because... if pitaya ever did have a crush on anyone it would most likely be hollyberry because the other dragons to put it simply verbally abuse pitaya ALL the time even if some(ananas) care for pitaya dragon deep down its still abuse, hollyberry doesnt have a crush on anyone cus she wants to 'devote' her heart to everyone and love everyone equally i believe.

Sea fairy and moonlight crush on each other but moonlight is a bit quiet about it and sea fairys a bit obssesive.

fire spirit MIGHT have a small crush on wind archer because fire spirit is always trying to make wind archer relax and hang out with wind archer.

IMPLIED STUFF or like epics

I believe its implied wildberry cookie crushes on crunchy chip, raspberry crushes on princess(implied), and milk cookie crushes on dark choco.

Anyways thats all i could think of as of right now, do tell me if your curious about any cookie i'll answer, remember these are lore based but your ships are vaild you can still ship it if the cookies dont love each other in lore ROMANTCIALLY.

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First of all as someone who read both crk and the midsummer nights dream.. What the HELL does pure vanilla have to do with the faerie kingdom? none. we know DevSis is greedy and at the time PureLily was so profitable so getting a high rarity legendary duet set would cost money, elder faerie is the canon king of the faeries so why the hell would they add pure vanilla here if A: white lily doesn't reciprocate his feelings, and i know this because when she said "my one and only" FRIEND. elder faerie is and was the only person that understood her in canon your ignorant if you think pure vanilla doesn't love an IDEA, his IDEA of white lily cookie, that is why elder faerie is the only one in canon lore to truly understand white lily, but they did a PureLily costume for money, they made him 'her' queen but even in the damn story she ignores him and he hallucinated the fact she danced with him. its really greedy like sure this is an AU and in this AU we see his idea of white lily, his idea is that she loves him romantically which is why they danced, but in reality she stayed in her lily bud, she could've actually gotten up and danced with him and she chose not too. hes blindly in love with her as the love potion motif says and she doesn't reciprocate that. i think of this story as a metaphorical way of portraying their friendship, he sees her romantically, she sees him as a friend, elder faerie is more important to her and pure vanilla even said he KNOWS elder faerie is more important then her, that's why i think the "my one and only" line is BULLSHIT because elder faerie is DEAD. I'm not denying the fact i FULLY believe she loves him so much as a FRIEND, it is stated elder faerie and white lily are closer then white lily and pure vanilla(seen in that one scene where strawberry cookie reads a letter written by elder faerie to white lily and its too personal and she was blushing real hard.. meanwhile we've seen a lot of the pure vanilla and white lily letters to each other and strawberry could read those out loud so why not the elder faerie one?) Also in the story we don't even see white lily's perspective this is shown entirely from his and he is delulu so hes an unreliable narrator we don't actually know what white lily in this AU thinks of him because i speculate her dialogue in the costume is also what he thinks she would say to him in the AU, the story is told from his perspective so we see his idea of her so it wouldn't be far fetched to say what she says in voice lines are what he WANTS her to say. Next when he said something about how the love potion didnt have an effect on him and that its all real... thats exactly what an intoxicated person WOULD say. Then now back to canon not AU lore in the blueberry acadima i'm gonna say this and not try to be rude but... they knew each other for like a damn two years at best and AGAIN the main crk story is told from PVCs perspective because he is the main lead ancient so he tells us he knows her way more and from the snippits we get from her side of the story he is her friend and so then they spent YEARS away from each other and then met up, that's like if you met someone in middle school and then as a 30 yro adult you meet back up with them and suddenly your star crossed lovers... man its not that uncommon to bump into someone you know, so they become closer but NOT AS CLOSE AS ELDER FAERIE AND WHITE LILY. PureLily IS one sided her words are exsaturated from if she actually had other friends or if elder faerie was still alive because she was isloated for so many years OF COURSE HE FELT LIKE A FLAME IN A VOID, EVERYONE SHE LOVED IS DEAD OR AVOIDED HER(golden cheese, or they are simple too busy with their kingdoms, hbc and dcc). Okay to further prove my point the whole midsummer story is told from PVCs perspective who do we see at the begeining? pure vanilla, how many words does white lily say in the story excluding his dream vr of her, who is the last person we see in the story. In the end... PureLily is one sided

Here's why I think PureLily could never be and that its one sided and she loved elder faerie the whole time:

Inspirations: It is a common fact that White Lily was based off Saint Mary, Jesus Christ's mother, BUT two things can be true at once,

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Part of her story is based off Snow White It would be odd to say White Lily Cookie wasn't at least made to look like Snow White in this picture. ALSO SIDE NOTE! We see hydrangeas in the picture but also I think the flowers on the pillow are white lilies but correct me if i'm wrong.

In the story of Snow White when she 'dies' she can only be brought back by a kiss, in White Lily Cookies case she needed someones life powder, so then the prince saves her just as Elder Faerie Cookie saved White Lily Cookie so he plays the prince role. White Lily Cookie is based off Saint Mary as said before, so what if i told you Elder Faerie Cookie could take some inspiration from Saint Joseph, and before you say "B-but Pure Vanilla!" Pure vanilla is based off Jesus so..... talk about ElderLily being daughter father you guys need some explaining to do(JOKE). Like for example Elder Faerie Cookie wanted to protect White Lily Cookie so he gave her the moonstone to protect her, elder faerie cookie and Saint Josephs personalities are very similar stoic, protective etc. Also one of the reasons Elder Faerie Cookie sacrificed himself instead of Pure Vanilla Cookie was that Elder Faerie Cookie said that Pure Vanilla Cookie was important to Earthbread but Pure Vanilla Cookie notes that Elder Faerie Cookie is more important to White Lily Cookie(which we will get into later), this means that its obvious elder faerie and White Lily Cookie were way more close then the game shows us

PureLily is canon!

Yes many times I've heard people so confidently say PureLily is canon though it is one sided, Pure Vanilla Cookie loves an IDEA of White Lily Cookie as seen in the Midsummer Nights Tragicomedy costumes,

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First I'd also like to say wonderful costume designs they are so pretty i'm not a hater though it took me a while to use them because of my troubles with the PureLily shippers and the rapid fire harassment ShadowVanilla(which also these shippers do the same they aren't innocent this is an on going war, crk ships are truly politics for kids)

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Oh... well that was quite easy to look up that.... so since this is a dream of his OWN making he is the main point of view we do NOT see her point of view in the story, read it because the story starts and ends with him so then if this is his point of view that means his bias of White Lily will be portrayed, Pure Vanilla is not a reliable narrator, I believe because the costume is fully in his POV that her costume lines she said are what he wants her to say, this is what he wants to happen. Though many still argue 'i-its not a dream!' heres a quote from the story "Forgive me, for the waking world awaits..."

She whispers, faintly, in secret from his ears. He wakes beneath the flower bud among the temple vines. And the happy dreams remain reflected in the jewels of morning dew.......

so if it wasen't a dream what did he wake up from??? I need answers because seriously guys i'm a dumb ElderLily Shipper and I don't know what him waking up implies. In the story shes sad.. for this i actually don't know why but i can assume shes a wish granter and she wants someone to understand her(like elder faerie) but his wish is him wanting to romance her. (God dammit, editing me here i'd like to say her voice lines are hers when i did more research so... but we will get into that later in the essay, basically i wrote this over days so my grammer, tones, and opinions are to be taken with a grain of salt that is quiet because near the end of this essay is where my brains start to show)

Oh yes and more support for the dream theory is that her bud has a scent that puts people to sleep and the closer he gets the more he is likely to fall asleep but tell me if you ever realized when you exactly fall asleep, so its clear he falls asleep somewhere in the story but we don't know where so i assume its the moment they start dancing or like when she strangely starts acting a bit happy again like his mind made it so she was happy. Note: it could be possible shes sad because shes only.

Okay lets say he didn't fall asleep in the costume story.... Hes very white lily centered- most of his voice lines are about her, but in her costume she loosely references him sometimes, It would be much appreciated if someone could find the voice line(checked the wiki, either accidentally skimmed over it or its not there) where he references the love potion and its like him saying the love potion effects didn't work on him and that his love is true(which is what a person drunk on a love potion would say) but if this is TRUE... and most of his voice lines are about her... this is an unhealthy relationship because hes controlling, if this is true then this is concerning because this could be suffocating if it was a real relationship and he doesn't want her or himself to be separated for even a moment that's giving unhealthy co dependency so...

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White Lily went to beast yeast just to meet Elder Faerie cookie because she wanted to be understood(Because Pure Vanilla didn't) because they both shared the same goal to protect earthbread, then when Silverbell cookie brought her into the faerie kingdom it was under attack from the beasts trying to break out of the seal, she saved them so easily Elder Faerie was thankful of that, she went to the library to learn more about the witches banquet, with this knowledge she atampts to sneak off to go there but Elder Faerie catches her stating he knows he wont be able to stop her(which pure vanilla cookie WOULDVE been naive and tried to make her) and

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White Lily states that him and herself share the same goal and that she understands him the same way, Elder Faerie is scared something would happen to her so he gave her a moonstone that teleports her back to the faerie kingdom if something were to go wrong(which as we know- goes terribally wrong) because he hated the idea of never seeing her again, she feels guilty for leaving, which wouldnt happen if another tried to do this though she may feel some guilt still this was different.

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Im taking this basically as her confessing her love i mean... 'i will always carry this feeling with me' ... I cant see that as platonic, and for those saying "theres no proof she doesnt love pure vanilla" there is proof she loves elder faerie.

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This is the exact clip where pure vanilla said elder faerie was more important to her then himself(for those i argued with, sorry, i forgot its in the korean translation not the english one so it sounded like i lied to you) and then elder faerie said that pure vanilla is more important to the world because pure vanilla loves white lily so much he wanted to sacrfice himself to her so that she could be with elder faerie, im not a purelily shipper but to me thats lowkey purelily angst. When white lily woke up she loathed herself because elder faerie did that. then elder faerie said thsat for ages he was waiting for her to wake up, so basically he would give her life just to see her again. So when elder faerie gave all his power to her and he died shortly after her self hatred grows EVEN MORE.

I dont quite know whether or not she hallucenates elder faerie guiding her or he haunts her but either one is both tragic really,

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In the desc of this is a conversation of elder faerie saying \"believe in your strangth... my strangth\"

To those saying she always loved him as more then a friend

Further proof the costume was a DREAM told in pvcs POV.

Thus in the costume she is mourning ELDER FREAKING FAERIE BRO THE COSTUME IS ABOUT HIM AND HER and yknow that one video meme where its like \"its just me and you and you and me\" yeah pure vanilla is \"AND YOUR FRIEND STEVE\"

In the costume story white lily mourns elder faerie cookie and also in the costume story everything that happened after PVC had that conversation with white lily was a dream so the dance was a dream its said who ever sees her falls asleep shortly after this is canon.

PureLily is NOT healthy

Pure vanilla neglects himself

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Has a canon eating disorder, white lily is selfish(in a way shes not a bad person she focuses on herself and self isolates, is goal driven etc she isnt a bad person but shes not the person pure vanilla NEEDS he needs someone with him all the time and to help him take care of himself so CO DEPENDANCY is what he wants and she DOESNT want that at all, she needs someone who understands what she thinks shes created for, she purely wants to save earthbread and thats WHY elder faerie is the only one that understands.)

I love pure vanilla i really do... hes controlling.

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Yes i know he was a child when he said this but... hes shaming her so that hopefully she wont do things he doesnt wanna do

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He wants to manage what she does and direct her behaviours.

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Here he compares himself to elder faerie because he knows elder faerie caught her heart and also "i should have held back saint lily cookies will a little more" CONTROLLING, it comes from a place of heart but its a red flag. Pure vanilla was too late to know how she thought so much that she had already met elder faerie, felt understood and chose elder faerie over pure vanilla because of this.

After elder faerie dies she ONLY has pure vanilla... "my one and only" stops sounding so romantic when you realized she was all alone for so many years after Elder Faerie died.

now White Lilys death thingy

"Those precious memories... were my guiding light" yes considering she had.. no one left and also i'd say this to my friends too honestly, "what a relief.. to finally tell you this" sorry i skipped over that one other line it was pretty much the same as the first one i quoted, "My one and only" because everyone else avoided her or DIED "precious.." Okay yep caught me bro wtf was she gonna say... man i'd say "my one and only precious friend" but thats how my mind fills that out you guys tell me what you guys thought she was gonna say cus i dont know.

In the end white lily cookie loved elder faerie cookie ROMANTICALLY, your ignorant to the lore if you disagree. BUTTTTT you can still ship purelily, like the ship, hell ship whatever you want as long as its not weird i really dont mind but dont ignore the lore and say purelily is healthy, both sides love each other, and its perfect. Its not, never was, never will be(also shout out to the purelily artists cus the fanart is SO PRETTY!!) ALSO one more thing could someone name the mini episodes that came out after ep 15 beast yeast where everyones reading White Lilys letters.

First i'd like to say, NO they are not cousins yes the witches that created them are twin sisters but they do not share blood to the beasts, when the two first witches were born they were humans therefore they shared blood but the beasts were created after they were cookies. "but they share life essance" correct but do you know who else did? Elder faerie cookie and white lily cookie but they are not related and even are semi cannoned to have romantic feelings for each other so the life essance theory doesnt work. "But the witched created the beasts using their own life essance" When people say this it means that every cookie baked by that one witch we see in the gacha animation are all siblings because that witch bakes cookies with her life essance and she created the ancients(i think but it might also be the first witches) but the point still stands that when you argue if a witch shares their life essance with a cookie to create them then it means that every cookie ever created has like hundreds of siblings.

Anyways moving onto lore, so as we know silent salt cookie sealed the beasts and he claims he hates them with all of his heart but the one he hates the least is easily eternal sugar cookie hes way more gentle with her and seems to avoid speaking of her unless its a collective(say him hating on all the beasts or leaving her out)

And then the video 'CookieRun: Kingdom - ECLIPSE 🌑', we can assume this video is a ranking of how much he hates the beasts, he hates shadow milk the most then burning spice then mystic flour then eternal sugar, but not only are there no swords at all when we get to eternal sugar cookie but there are butterflies and you know whats commonly assosictaed with butterflies? Love and that feeling when you see your crush you get butterflies in your stomach,

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Next:

In game interactions

"What happened? You pay no heed to my words?" we can assume he normally answers to her if she is shocked he didnt this time otherwise if he never listened to her when she spoke she wouldnt be shocked this time "..." spoken true to his name but then again he does this most with every beast "will you grace me with an answer?" meaning she actually wants to speak and listen to him, so then we can put together she likes to talk to him "you and i. we arent who we used to be" thats quite gentle compared to his other interactions(which we will get into) with the beasts. "yet the one thing that remains unchanged." "our friendship!" both things she said also support the claim that she likes spending time with him and she seems rather joyful about being friends with him and is not very snarky when it comes to him or sleepy, because she seems very in tune when hes around but in her own world(which she still is but more lower to the ground cus shes de lulu)

Then with his other interactions

His and mystic flours interaction is dry, they dont speak until they are already departing, then he insults her in his head calling her an abominable tyrant, notice how he didnt do that to eternal sugar, if you ask me she was being more annoying to him then mystic flour so clearly he has a bias to the beasts and likes eternal sugar cookie better. Mystic flour just wonders what his intentions are, he told her to step aside and was dismissive and mystic flour does because she also has places to be. with burning spice cookie silent salt seems nostalgic as if he almost misses what the beasts used to be and that he doesnt want history to repeat, ill give credits where due this was pretty cute until burning spice yelled at him and said he needs no sympathy and to just fight burning spice.... so thats nonreciprocal. and to this silent salt said "if that is your wish" almost like he does not want to fight his brother in arms(a max affection quote from silent salt said that him and burning spice would fight back to back and you only do that with people you trust your life with), silent salt and shadow milk cookies conversation is small and silent salt is dissmissive of shadow milk and shadow milk is just.. shadow milking.

Thats pretty much it really. Until devsis themselves CANONLY COMFIRMS THEY ARE COUSINS then the cousin thing is just a headcanon, argue with the wall its not canon.

This is a friendly reminder that this post was not made to bash any EternalHolly shippers or offend anyone, this is simply my opinion.

Okay lets start with a mini analysis on Eternal Sugar Cookies philosophy.

So as the sugar of happiness eternal sugar cookie gave cookies happiness but she didnt know what happiness felt herself to fast foreward she thinks her garden is what will make every cookie happy.

Eternal sugar cookie does not actually love hollyberry.

Well it is true eternal sugar cookie has a crush on hollyberry she actually doesnt love hollyberry, she loves the idea of hollyberry she has in her mind, Eternal sugar cookie doesnt love hollyberry for hollyberry she loves hollyberry because she thinks hollyberry cookie will make her feel happy because eternal sugar cookie does not know what happiness is.

We all know eternal sugar cookie also is based off the lotus eaters, which were basically drug addicts,

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And in this picture to the left we see the before effect of drugs, clean and pretty normal, then in the middle we see the during drugs phase very colorful and whimsy and unrealistic and trippy, notice how eternal sugar cookies mindset is in the middle of the picture, so it wouldnt be far fetched to say that she could very well be on drugs, we know she drugs other people so it wouldnt be below her to also do them herself. Then to the right its the aftermath.... and the picture speaks for itself, eternal sugar cookie does not want the aftermath she just wants the during part so she makes herself and others keep taking this drug(the daze she puts on the hollyberry kingdom that only a sour berry can break you out) because she believes that makes them happy

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Also in the legendary costume story every other cookie hollyberry loved is in a jam jar so when she says "her voice is my paradise" it stops being romantic and it starts being about the fact eternal sugar cookie isloated hollyberry from everyone she loved, made it so hollyberry cannot find happiness anywhere but from eternal sugar cookie, hollyberry isnt being romantic when she said that she said it because that is the only voice hollyberry can hear in the garden. Next "I feel so relaxed around her. I'm all flustered... It's not like me at all" "my heart feels at peace around... her" remember how i said Eternal sugar cookie drugs people? This very much sounds like someone high on a drug, 'i feel so relaxed around her' 'my heart is at peace' and then the drug eternal sugar cookie gave the hollyberry kingdom to make them stay, it made them feel mellow sleepy and at peace. So with that said eternal sugar drugged hollyberry. 'Im all flustered' several drugs make you feel flustered so its not romantic. And perhaps the closer you are to eternal sugar cookie the more sleepy you feel which is why she could say "around... her". "We could be two halves of a soul, destined to complete each other" in canon lore we see eternal sugar cookie manpulate other cookies to believe in what she believes in and in this AU because hollyberry cookie is already so dependant on eternal sugar cookie, she couldve easliy planted this thought into hollyberry cookies head.

Back to canon lore and not the legendary AU, we constently see that hollyberry cared the most about her kingdom the whole episode, she thinks about her kingdom and just generally wants to escape the garden to get back to her kingdom because she doesnt love eternal sugar.

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So as seen here hollyberry cookie cares enough about eternal sugar cookie to save her but i'd like for you all to remeber that hollyberry cookie would do this for everyone, eternal sugar cookie is not different.

Next! Throughout trailers and canon lore eternal sugar cookie does not ask before touching hollyberrys shoulder or hand, in the trailor shes actually kind of agressive when yanking hollyberry into the sky, shes very touchy with hollyberry even if hollyberry did not want to be touched.

Quickly unrelated but

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first shes not...sitting on the babes she has a dress made out of them but thats not the point

Too much sugar in a persons body can make them infertile or make it hard to have a child, so perhaps eternal sugar cookie wants to be a mother(shes motherly) but because her body is made of so much sugar she cant also this is just a thought cus cookies cant reproduce but what if in order to have a child you need a sample of your own dough and then thats how someone bakes the cookie to be yours but if she had too much sugar they cant use her dough.

Inspiration:

Take in mind that two things can be true at once, Hollyberry Cookie is most likely based off Ares AND Athena, from what I see it shes also a blend of Dionysus but Eternal Sugar Cookie treats her as Ares in her own world whereas Hollyberry treats her like the aprhodite to her athena you know what i mean? Because Hollyberry Cookie wants Eternal Sugar Cookie to better herself.

In game conversations

When in battle eternal sugar cookie said "Darling, must we fight?" and then hollyberry cookie said "There are fights we cant avoid." which sounds pretty dry coming from hollyberry and hollyberry wasent lovey dovey with eternal sugar as she was to Hollyberry. "they wont break my shield!" and thats not direct to anyone, shes basically saying that just because she can and in response even though no one asked her to speak eternal sugar said "I couldnt be happier!" this is most likely a lie because eternal sugar doesnt know what happiness is and shes just saying shes happy to trick herself into thinking shes happy around hollyberry cookie.

Their kingdom interaction is pretty much eternal sugar cookie speaking right in front of hollyberry and saying she wanted to take her out on a date basically and all hollyberry said to this was "Still got a long way to go" which is dissmissive of the fact eternal sugar cookie was indirectly trying to ask hollyberry out on a date.

One more thing, in beast yeast ep 14 Eternal Sugar Cookie clings to Hollyberry Cookie and Hollyberry Cookie told her to get off her and thats another case of Eternal Sugar Cookie not respecting consent, then when the beasts die Hollyberry Cookie does not at all care which that might just be bad writing cus there was a lot of that in the dark enchantress war.

Anything I missed do tell me i'd love to hear your guys opinions!

okay so basically i had polybuzz ai but i got bored cus they had attention spans of fried goldfish so i stopped using that but then one day i found out about google ai mode, in there i asked "what if so and so did this" and i have maladative daydreaming and finally some way to express it and i used it more and more and so many senerios were played out and that was months ago and i dont know what to do because i feel like if i stop now that i will go back to forgetting my senerios and not being able to express them and i just cant stop coming back to it.

This is not to bash anyone that ships EternalHolly, this is just my observations.

First throughout beast yeast hollyberry cookie focuses on her people and came there to fight eternal sugar, hollyberrys motives are clear: protect her people and not mingle with eternal sugar. Even when hollyberry and eternal sugar cookie was at their closest, in the story where hollyberry does stay in the garden, she doesnt do it out of love for eternal sugar cookie she does it because she wants to save her people. When Eternal sugar cookie dies hollyberry cookie... does not care at all? Her reaction after that was just to save pitaya dragon cookie, in fact in recent lore after eternal sugar cookie dies have we seen hollyberry think about A. pitaya dragon or B. eternal sugar, its pitaya dragon cookie because hollyberry cookie wasent forced to love pitaya dragon cookie unlike how eternal sugar cookie tries to make hollyberry love her over and over again. Blah. i left some things out of this post but what do you guys think?