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I just realised kind of how much creepy alysanne is about baelon and Alyssa.

I say baelon and Alyssa is my kinda favourite couple when I first read fire and blood. Now rereading, what's this weird thing alysanne got going on baelon and Alyssa.

Aemon is Married to Jocelyn at 70 AC. Before that there's a talk that aemon should marry Alyssa to preserve blood purity. But alysanne said no Alyssa should marry baelon. **However, Queen Alysanne Targaryen firmly refused, saying that Alyssa was meant for Baelon**

Saying baelon loved Alyssa.

Which Is all cute when I first read then I remember her age. Alyssa is like 8 or 9 before aemon married Jocelyn . Maam what the fuck. A little girl following her brother immediately marriage thinking?!

And also there's a lot of favortism on Alyssa which I find weird. Tomboyish, dirty, broke her nose, allowed to fight.

Then viserra suddenly thinking just thinking about marrying baelon who is not even heir at that time. Suddenly she is a villain and Alyssane tries to marry her off a guy who is should be her grandfather.

Why alysanne?.

I believe Alyssa got favored by her mother who basically thought Alyssa actually her daughter Daenerys reborn as she was born the same year Daenerys died. What do you think?

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u/CompetitiveCard7172 — 3 days ago

I forget how close the two queens who never was lived.

Rhaena the queen of east and west died in 73 AC. Rhaenys the queen who never was born in 74 AC. They would've met each other I guess.

Also note. I wonder how rhaena lived her 12 years of her last life in harrendal. If her ghost still in harrendal what do you think she think of daemon and aemond visions?

Also another rhaenys is rhaena the black bride niece as Jocelyn is rhaena half sister and while also grandniece 💀 as aemon is her nephew . The family

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u/CompetitiveCard7172 — 5 days ago
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Parenthood in HOTD

I love how parents are shown in hotd, so let's look at the main contenders: Viserys, alicent, rhaenyra, and aegon

Viserys loves rhaenyrs that much is true, but aemma's death hangs between them. Where he was too meek to make his decision in making her heir when aemma repetitively proved incapable of carrying a child, he was too meek to truly protect her in court, so he sees her as the strength he and aemma lacked thus keeps her as heir even when he has aegon and aemond (guilt plays into it as well but saying that's all is a disservice to the entire narrative, I think he's also mentally making uo for rhaenys by trying to establish absolute prominogeiture ("their first CHILD, once HE OR SHE ascends the throne shall do so bearing the name targaryen"))

As for his children with alicent, he feels disconnected from them. He is ill most of the time and as we see viserys is a man that prefers familiarity thus seeks only rhaenyra for comfort while over all lacking in duty.

Much like rhae herself (in vizzy's case I'm merely explaining not justifying) he sees what he killed a woman for- loved her or merely his guilt twisted into such after her death aside his conscience is heavy with 5 dead children and a dead wife so he can't look at the rest of his children with the purity he Ince had when rhaenyra was a child, when life was easier

Alicent's mother died when she was younger so she probably has the barest idea of what motherhood is supposed to be like

She married Viserys because the faith teaches her to obey her father (thus the increasing religious imagery in her dress and manner throughout), she didn't want anything to do with him but withstood it and thought herself entitled to more than what she was promised for it.

She loves her children, she very very easily believes her father when he says the only way they're safe is if aegon is king thus her increasing envy at rhaenyra pushing for her to be disinherited, undermining her at every turn, the episode where joffrey's born, etc

Aegon is both gift and punishment. Gift in the sense that he's an instrument with which she can grasp at power to fill the void, punishment in how he turned out due to how her bitterness is naturally channelled into her children alongside viserys' characteristic neglect

Someone pointed out that he gets the eldest daughter treatment and I love that so much

Aemond I would say is the one influenced the most by her anger, he readily believes her when she redirects his anger at Aegon, luke and jace to just the later two turning childhood digs into a bitterness so profound he was ready to bash jace's head in when he tried to defend baela

Similar to how alicent herself redirected her anger at how dirty she was done by societal and religious expectations to a bone deep hatred for rhaenyra— the person she loved most beforehand

Helaena is her little girl, she is complicit in/subjects her to a marriage while disgustingly young because perhapd to comfort herself she sees nothing truly wrong with it beyond "a womans duty", she goes to her when she wants company, she's the most tender around helaena because the boys by virtue of being boys are vessles to her fathers will but helaena is the only one who will be truly hers

Rhaenyra misses her mother, the futility and cruelty of aemma's death haunts her, from what we see they have a great relationship.

Viserys on the other hand is neglectful be it before or after the time skip

He loves her yes, she's his daughter a representation of simpler times where he wasn't dying, where the court wasn't split into factions, when his biggest problem was daemon and otto barking at eachother and corlys occasionally being a bitch. So he loves her but in a distant superficial way, he doesn't understand her

She's courted by pedoes, babies, mysoginists where she needs someone who will bow to a queen and stand by her side not above her, she's tricked into a brothel then forced to marry a gay man who embaresses her left and right by being far too open about his affairs for such a setting, harwin was the only person she could truly trust with fathering her kids descretly after laenor proved himself incapable and unwilling

So her reprieve is her babies, she tries to be what viserys should've been— what she wanted him to be.

She keeps up with jaces lessons and listens to him in council, allowing him a say, crafting him into an "heir worthy of the iron throne" and a boy fiercely protective of his family

She's open with mature jace, protective and gentle with gentle luke her parenting style is dependant on the child just as she wishes viserys' was ("I want him to see me as more than just his little girl")

She would take a knife for them, and she did. Where alicent loves her kids as a mother should but doesn't necessarily like them or see them as their own people, rhaenyra manages to grow to be the opposite.

Aegon is alot like rhaenyra in this aspect, tgc spoke of how aegon thinks he can start again- be good with jahaerys, we see him including jahaerys instead of scolding values into him, we mainly see him laughing around his baby

Where he feels suffocated by alicent's expectations, he's extremely permissive with his own son and genuenly grieves him only caring about the war in truth when jahaerys is killed

I just find it all so interesting, one of the few things the show did right

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u/CompetitiveCard7172 — 10 days ago

Hera have four children mentioned as hers such ares, hephaestus, elitheyia and hebe.

I heard sometimes she is called mother of graces. Other than that was there any child hera had ?

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u/CompetitiveCard7172 — 19 days ago

Ceryse hightower by jota saraiva.

What do y'all think about our first hightower queen ceryse ?

I believe her life is pretty tragic. Tb calling her a pedo when they have pedo as consort kinda ironic too me. I would blame aegon for forcing 13 years old maegor to marry 23 years old ceryse. It's maegor who boasted to others he consuminated their marriage very enthusiastically. Maegor himself went to old town to get her back though he considered her barren which is kinda weird to me. Her death have two considers one she is died of sickness and other is she died accidentally when maegor told to cut her tongue , maladan moore accidentally cut her throat.

I wish how we known the dynamic between ceryse and alys. As they mirror katherine of aragorn and Anne boelyn.

u/CompetitiveCard7172 — 20 days ago

Oceanids being innumerable daughters of Oceanus and tethys played vital part in greek mythology, though most of them were made and shown as only mother of important beings gods. What's your favourite oceanid ?

My favourite is metis and Tyche. Though it's pretty wild these two as far I know have no technical relationship with water bodies but still are Oceanids ? My top favorite is styx.

Eurynome is also my favourite.

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u/CompetitiveCard7172 — 22 days ago