I know its a VERY gross thought and it personally disturbs me a bit. But the Targaryens likely would not think it’s so far fetched.

The Doctrine of Exceptionalism already declared that Targaryens engaging in incest was entirely normal since they are considered superior to the Andals and First Men and want to keep their bloodline pure.

So why would a marriage between Rhaenyra and Viserys be seen as unnatural when Targaryens regularly partake in incest?

Logically, it would have solved a bunch of problems and the dragons wouldn’t have gone extinct for another generation at least. Rhaenyra could have been Queen Consort and her claim to the throne could not be so easily disregarded because she has no male siblings that threaten her inheiritance.

Plus their children would have extremely strong (not literally Strong, like in canon) claims to the Iron throne through both Viserys and Rhaenyra. People like Daemon (if he ever tried to usurp the throne) wouldnt be able to usurp the children so easily and he wouldnt get a whole bunch of support.

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Go to the iron bank and get your gold back, matter of fact, take the rest of their gold too. Burn their ships and make sure they cannot attack you while you sort out your house. Give the realm a common enemy that isn’t you. Get gold without inconveniencing the nobles and merchants.

Of course in practice there are many limitations to the idea but you know, ruling.

In both cannons she has Alicent and Helena, yet at no point does she think to write to ormund/ Hubert.

“I have your Queens, surrender now or they start losing body parts”

Daeron would absolutely not fight if his mother and sister were in peril.

Alicent tried the same with Aegon iii but failed cause the mass defection in the castle

I’m confused about why Rhaenyra denied Corlys’ request to legitimize his bastards. At this point, isn’t Joffrey the only child left from her first marriage to Laenor? He’s now the heir to the Iron Throne, so he can’t inherit Velaryon lands and titles. So what does she have to lose by giving Corlys heirs after Jace’s and Luke’s deaths? Her children with Daemon have no claim to a Velaryon inheritance. The only argument that makes sense to me is if she thinks that Baela or Rhaena should be Corlys’ heirs first. (FYI I’ve read the books but I’m rusty on some of the details.)

We all know that show Rhaenyra is very different from book Rhaenyra.

Even though I prefer book Rhaenyra, I also think what the writers did with her character in Seasons 1 and 2 was brilliant. Despite all the changes from the book, I tried to judge the show on its own terms, and I genuinely loved it.

What concerns me is how weak and fragile Rhaenyra has become in Season 3.

I'm talking only about show Rhaenyra here. Book Rhaenyra is a completely different discussion.

The show depicted her as a strong and bold character from the very beginning. Many moments in Seasons 1 and 2 reflected that. I don't understand why the writers chose to focus so much on portraying her weakness this season.

Some examples include:

Every member of Rhaenyra's council constantly contradicts their queen.

Jace locked her in her own castle, and no one came to help her, even though everyone knew that preventing the queen from leaving was an act of treason. Jace locking her in her room was a weak explanation for her absence during the Battle of the Gullet. In the book, she had not yet recovered from her stillbirth and therefore couldn't participate. The show could have come up with a much better reason.

After death, the appropriate reaction from Rhaenyra should have been rage. Instead, we saw a grieving Rhaenyra lying in bed, mourning and questioning all her life choices. I understand that she is a grieving mother. We have already seen that after Lucerys' death in Seasons 1 and 2. That reaction made sense then. But this time circumstances are totally different. This time, I expected to see more rage than grief.

During her march into the throne room, she appeared fearful and uncertain, and some random knights even mocked her for unsheathing her sword.

Rhaenyra hesitating over execution was completely unexpected. This person undermined her claim, tore her family apart, and played a major role in the deaths of the people she loved. I expected her to execute this traitor herself in a fit of rage. Instead, she hesitated and cried. Why would she cry at that moment? We didn't get to see even the slightest hint of rage. After all, she is the queen right?

Daemon had to direct her through almost everything in those scenes, as if he were spoon-feeding a baby. Despite being the queen, she seemed to have very little agency.

I'm not even going to talk about her hesitant steps toward the Iron Throne or her sitting on it in tears.

All the actions of Rhaenyra throughout Episode 3's throne room sequence felt as though the writers deliberately wanted to emphasize her weakness or her being confused or something idk. I find it odd that they chose the very moment of her ascension to do that. This was the moment many of us had been waiting for. Now I feel writers ruined it.

If writers were trying to incorporate a layer of revelation or some kind of post-nut clarity to rhaenyra's character arc, I guess they have failed miserably.

I'm generally a very receptive viewer. When it comes to visual storytelling, I always try to judge an adaptation for what it is rather than comparing it to the source material. But no matter how hard I try, I just can't accept these writing choices. There are some major flaws in the writing this season. They could have done much more justice to Rhaenyra's character.

Everything else was excellent, but it feels like they're ruining one of the most important part.

Would like to know everyones opinion.

Thank you for reading.

My main reason:

Women aren't capable. At least, not capable of anything that isn’t being inconsistent, blaming stuff on others, and being the face of Victorian feminists (women are too pure)

In season 2, Aemond told Alicent to return to her domestic pursuits after she wasn’t picked as regent by the council, which I felt was supposed to show Aemond as bad - but three days later Alicent gave her side over to the blacks. Not to mention the fact that she had not made a single good political decision the entire season, including letting the other claimant go when she showed up dressed like a nun, which could have won them the war. They had to add that 'domestic' part in so if would feel like Aemond was bad, when he was compleatly right.

Not to mention, he was literally in line before her to be regent. The scene acted like the council picked him cause he was a man, when the leading reasons would actually be:

• He’s before her in line

• He’s actually educated on war politics

• Alicent would have helped her cause more if she had been in a coma

Even in season 1, by episode 7, her fears have been confirmed and she has realized she must really play the game, and this is after years of telling Aegon he is the challenge by simply existing.

Then in the next episode she’s toasting to Rhaenyra being a good Queen, and only crowns Aegon cause she misunderstood Viserys and had no idea the council had planned for Aegon to he king. In season 3 she is apparently going to blame it on her father, when he wasn’t even in the damn city for most of Aegon’s life.

Literally pulled her ambition last minute because reasons.

And her selling out her entire family in the end, and the writers acting like it was some kind of redemption. She had Aegon dragged to the throne kicking and screaming, literally kicking and screaming. Then when he is bedbound, she fast travels to Dragonstone and gives up his life so she can flee with Helaena and Jaehaera, when there was no reason for her to do that except to get Rhaenyra’s forgiveness or something.

Also stuff like removing her from Blood & Cheese, which if you aren’t a book reader:

Blood and Cheese broke into her chamber, gagged her and tied her up, waited for Helaena and the children (in the book Jaehaera, Jaehaerys and Maelor) and when they came they killed the guards and forced Helaena to choose which child would die, to which she offered up her own life. Since that wasn’t a son, they told her to pick or they would kill them both, and rape Jaehaera. She picked Maelor because he was too young to understand, too which Cheese taunted the toddler by saying his mama wanted him dead before Blood struck Jaehaerys’ head clean off.

This was not only a very relevant moment in Helaena’s story, which has basically been removed since they didn’t bother to include one of the kids and didn’t actually care to have her go mad with grief, or grieve much at all.

But all of this was witnessed by Alicent, and would be a point in her story as well. She would take care of the children, and would demand Blood’s real name so she could find and bathe in the blood of his family.

In the show she is fucking Criston (cause of course she has to be a hypocrite I guess), there are no guards, she barley cares Jaehaerys is dead and doesn’t even bring him up when Rhaenyra asks for a son for a son.

Like Alicent can’t even be rageful and violent after witnessing her grandson be butchered, and apparently not witnessing it at all cause it was more important to have her be a hypocrite than a victim

Rhaenyra again, doesn't do much during season 2. At all. She goes to Kings Landing to make peace with Alicent (who has no power) after blood had been spilt on both sides. Like the person sitting the throne believes her responsible for the death of his son and Rhaenyra is just "Well peace". Not to mention that all her ambiton has to do with TPTWP and not just her wanting the throne. She has to have some honorable reason for it. She can't just want for things.

Even in season 1, she ended episode 7 with a whole ass monologue about how she wanted her enemies to fear her, and did so by having it look like she had her husband killed so she could bang her uncle. Next episode she’s by Viserys talking about how she never wanted it, and then completely bamboozled when Aegon takes the throne, partly due to them fearing her, when that was what she wanted an hour ago.

Not to mention it makes no sense to come there and ask for peace (ex Rhaenyra getting the throne) by offering nothing. Really showing up there styled like she’s gonna be an extra in Sound of Music and wants what the other side already has, and gives no reason why it should be so, except that her daddy said she could play dictator

Her council is constantly shown as sexist, while making valid points again and again. Maybe they will come back to it as karma to Rhaenyra, but at this point I doubt it. She did something with the dragonseeds, before deciding that peace is still best. Now in season 3, there has started to be some hints that she’s gonna be ruthless, but it seems like she’s gonna cheer the smallfolk on.

I will also say that there more then likely were sexist people on her council, but with the way she was acting the only thing that would happen would them being proven right in their thinking that women are too pure, can’t rule and don’t understand politics or war.

Rhaenys was declined the position of Queen in favor of Viserys, sucks. But her entire plot in the beginning was how she had come to terms with it and was more bothered by Corlys' endless ambition (again, she can't just want for it). Then she is suddenly all about crowning Rhaenyra (which fine), even though she believes she ordered the death of Laenor and was offered bethrotals that she herself said reeked of desperation. She is then suddenly all about Rhaenyra as Queen (because she apparantly can't be on a side for her own political ambition, like her grandaughter), all about Jaehaerys (I guess that is still peepaw) and is all about peace and the ones respondible (she commited mass murder of innocents two days ago) for the war is the men.

Even though, you know, the team black could have agreed to the peace terms because Aegon won the game of 'You snooze, you lose' when it came to being crowned. I am not saying that they should have given up on their cause, but why the fuck are they talking about peace when they refused it in the first place.

Mysaria the Humanitarian (do I need to say more). She actually had some character development, but still, is for the smallfolk.

Also, why must every women either be for Rhaenyra, or be shown as bad for not being for her. Like this is the battle of dictators, not gods chosen ruler.

That is not even point out how it feels like characters like Helaena (Bran 2.0), Baela and Rhaena have as much charachter development (and relevancy) as the Crabfeeder.

I guess Rhaena has gotten something with Sheepstealer, as they merged her with Nettles, who was a bastard without apparent Valyrian heritage who claimed a dragon, and her entire existence is important to show Rhaenyra’s paranoia and cruelty later, and also a comment on how their blood might not make them all that special and classism in general.

Which was merged with a trueborn lady whose only hardship in life seems to be that she didn’t have a dragon, cause up until she got a dragon, that was 99% of what she was on about.

Baela is a Rhaenyra supporter. Change her name and I probably wouldn’t be able to understand that who she was having read the book.

This is not me saying that women has to want the throne, or be politically good or whatever. But to constantly show them as not capable of those things is just iffy to me.

What makes it worse for me is that I truly believe it is unintended. When consuming media in general, it feels like I can tell pretty well when the a certain thing is made by misogynistics, because they have a certain way to describe women. These writers come from the desire to be feminist, and turns every women incapable, which leads me to believe that that is how they view women. It honeslty makes me a bit angry.

I noticed that the rivalry and animosity between the 2 teams has become quite high so I decided to create posts in both the green and black subreddits to try to see if there is any merit in the opponent.

for example I posted a similar post in the green sub reddit to get people to say the merits of Rhaenyra

I'll start, so as not to be a hypocrite.

-Both Aegon actors are very good, Tom especially. Aegon is generally well-acted.

-The fact that his friends in season two included a Waters and members of minor houses, or the fact that he at least tried to get along with Jace and Luke early on, even involving them in the pink terror prank against Aemond, makes him less classist and less bastard-phobic than many others.

-Despite being severely injured, he has demonstrated both remarkable resilience in being conscious and functionally stable, and also great determination.

-As demonstrated with the plan with Larys in 3x02, he is also braver and smarter than one might give him credit for.

I noticed that the rivalry and animosity between the 2 teams has become quite high so I decided to create posts in both the green and black subreddits to try to see if there is any merit in the opponent.

I'll start, so as not to be a hypocrite.

- Both Milly and Emma tend to be good actresses, and Rhaenyra is usually well-acted.

- Rhaenyra is genuinely fascinating in many scenes.

- Despite the tragedies she's endured in a relatively short time, she's still much more stable than people give her credit for, making her more resilient and determined than people think.

- She ruled Dragonstone for years and was an advisor to Viserys for a long time.

Her rule is certainly not portrayed as negative or harmful.

Under normal circumstances, she would have been a rather average ruler.