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Helaena's costumes in Season 3.

One of my favorite things about season 3 was Helaena's costumes. The improvement on the lighting, and the combination of having most of her scenes outside, and reusing her dresses, really gave us a better look at her costumes. They are also beautiful with intricate embroidery, and the color palette.

u/Fandomlover991 — 6 days ago
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Team Black vs Team Green? Tell me why you are either?

For me it’s pretty simple. I’m team Black because when Viserys declared Rhanerya his heir he had all the lord’s swear to uphold his decision. I guess that makes me a Stark because Cregan upheld his father’s vow.

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u/Odd_Distribution7852 — 7 days ago
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How season 3 had me feeling

Aegon pulled of one of the greatest comebacks in Westerosi history, from being betrayed by everyone he trusted, losing all his power and facing an army with one loyal man.

Just for Sunfyre to come back when he needed him the most, getting the support of alot of noble houses, nearly all the smallfolk and the faith by being "ressurected", bringing Aemond and Vhagar back to his side and Alicent probably switching sides now that Helaenas dead💛💚

The only comeback that will come close is Stannis comeback in the Winds of Winter🔥

u/Ready0608 — 5 days ago
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What I wouldve done in S3 if i was Rhaenyra

(Just a disclaimer: no, I haven't read the books, so I'm going solely based on the show.)

  1. I would've sent Alicent to the High Septon to confess her sins, say she was guided by her own ambitions and heard what she wanted to hear from Viserys, and also have her say Aegon abdicated the throne because of it. I'd also let the High Septon know she has confessed this to me and that, after confessing, she felt even more guilty. She (Alicent) believes that the only way to atone for her sins is for them to declare me as queen. Now, this next part might be a bit controversial, but I would've had Alicent on my Small Council because she at least has some knowledge of ruling the kingdoms. I'd want that kind of advice, but also the bluntness Alicent would give me. It'd also be a great way to further prove the legitimacy of my claim by having a Hightower on my council. Now, if Alicent doesn't comply, I'd threaten her with Helaena (obviously, I'm not actually going to harm her in the end—she'll get her chicken farm after all of this, trust me). But if she does comply, I'd give Helaena free roam, but she has to remain in King's Landing, and she could visit Alicent. Either way, Helaena or any of her children won't be harmed in the matter. She'd still be confined, but she'd have a lot more access and free roam that way, so she doesn't develop cabin fever.
  2. Now, if Alicent does everything I need her to do, I’d send her, Helaena, and her granddaughter to the Eyrie. I’d actually push for Helaena to go with her dragon because, based on the show, she doesn’t enjoy riding, so I wouldn’t have to worry too much about her dragon being used against me. I’d have them and the dragon escorted by Silverwing (Ulf), alongside the Velaryon fleet. That solves the deal with jane. I’d want gold and an army from her, and Ulf would then escort the army I requested, along with the gold, back to King’s Landing. It keeps him busy and away from the taverns and such, but it also makes him feel important. Also, I probably wouldn’t tell him about the gold part lol. I’d have Alicent or someone do the talking.
  3. While that is happening, I in fact would not be sleeping with Mysaria, at least not until she’s done something of use lol. I’d have her spread around, as best she could, that Aegon mismanaged the Crown’s funds and spent all of the Crown’s royal money on his vices, which feeds the hatred toward the Greens once again.
  4. This may add fuel to the fire of me being the Queen of Bastards, but I’ve gotta do it: I’d legitimize Corlys’s children.Now, as for Ulf and Hugh, I probably won’t legitimize them at all. But if I was feeling generous, they wouldn’t get the Targaryen name at all. Instead, I’d let them start a new house.
    • If I did, I’d call them Blackfyre, obviously after the sword. (Yes, I know the history with the Blackfyres.) But I’d have them sign away their rights to the Iron Throne, while still giving them land.
  5. Next, instead of sending Daemon, I’d just have Hugh and Addam go to the Hightower army in exchange for Daeron. Obviously, I’m not letting Daeron leave without his dragon. Why on earth would i leave a dragon with them atl all… Addam and Daeron will leave, but Hugh, however, would stay behind, and I’d have him kill them all. They couldn’t be trusted under any circumstances.This adds a bit to how ruthless and unforgiving I’d become. Yeah, it may look bad, but they’d know who not to play with.
  6. Once Daeron arrives back, I’d have him bend the knee, or he will be sent to the Wall. Unfortunately for him, he’s not Helaena, so no, I’m not bluffing.
  7. Now, after that Hightower army is burnt away, every single aiding/allying house will pay a hefty tithe to the Crown’s royal fund, which includes gold and food. Most of that food is immediately going to the smallfolk.
  8. Now, as for one-eyed Aemond, I’d have Daemon and Hugh hunt for him, following Vhagar’s tracks. If he’s back in time, Ulf can join them. Now, as for Aegon, I’d actually check to make sure Sunfyre was dead. I’d send Baela and Addam to be sure that the dragon is dead and have them come back to King’s Landing once the death is officially confirmed.
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u/Radiant_Leg_1968 — 5 days ago

The prophecy of the prince that was promised ruined the show.

Honestly speaking this stupid prophecy they have made the centre of the show and reason for Alicent claiming the crown for Aegon and Rhaenyra going mad is stupid as hell considering how they adapted the other events. Rhaenyra is incompetent as hell and she believes that she is the prince that was promised it doesn't take much for someone to just that nope no ways even if they haven't read the books or watched Game of Thrones. I think everyone now is looking forward to Rhaenyras death.

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u/ElegantManager5316 — 6 days ago
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I Want Black Characters, Not Token Representation

I really dislike what HOTD has done with Nettles and Rhaena, and I hate that whenever I criticize it people immediately assume the complaint is “Black people shouldn't be in Westeros.” That's not my problem at all. I'm Black. I WANT Black characters in fantasy. My problem is how shallow the representation feels.

I actually like the idea of the Velaryons being Black. What bothers me is that the writers seemingly had no interest in making that change part of the world. Give them Summer Islander ancestry. Give us some history explaining how this branch of an ancient Valyrian house came to look different from the Targaryens. Explore what that means in a society obsessed with bloodlines, ancestry and physical appearance. You could do so much interesting worldbuilding with it.

Instead they basically say “it's fantasy, there are dragons, why can't Black people exist?” Which is a strawman. Obviously Black people can exist in fantasy. The question is how these people fit into THIS specific fictional society.

Westeros is incredibly prejudiced. These people discriminate over class, gender, bastardy, religion, nationality, whether you're Dornish, whether you're a wildling, what family you were born into, etc. I don't need Westeros to suddenly have American-style racism, but pretending skin color wouldn't even be acknowledged feels bizarre. Especially in a story where who your parents are and what you look like is literally central to the plot.

And that's what makes Nettles bother me so much.

I'm not claiming I know why the writers merged her storyline with Rhaena. I'm talking about how the OUTCOME looks.

The show race-swaps the Velaryons, making Rhaena a young Black woman, and then apparently decides we don't need Nettles anymore and gives one of the most important parts of her story to Rhaena. So somehow a decision praised for increasing Black representation results in us LOSING an entire female character who could have also been played by a Black actress.

And Nettles and Rhaena aren't interchangeable! Rhaena is a princess. She's Daemon's legitimate daughter, raised in one of the most powerful families in the world and has unquestioned Valyrian ancestry. Nettles is a lowborn outsider whose ability to tame Sheepstealer raises fascinating questions about who can actually claim dragons and whether Valyrian blood is even necessary.

Giving Sheepstealer to Rhaena completely changes that.

It also just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that apparently two young Black female dragonriders can't simply coexist as separate characters. Again, I'm not saying that was consciously the reasoning. I'm saying that's the result we ended up with, and I think Black fans are allowed to find that uncomfortable without being told we're racist for criticizing “representation.”

What bothers me even more is how easily criticism from Black fans who DON'T like these decisions seems to get dismissed. If you're going to defend changes by saying they're important for people like me to see ourselves represented, then our opinions can't suddenly stop mattering when some of us say, “Actually, this doesn't make me feel represented.”

Black people aren't a monolith. Seeing someone with my skin color doesn't automatically make me connect with them. I can connect deeply with characters of any race or gender because that's literally what storytelling is supposed to allow us to do.

And diversity shouldn't just mean Black people either. Why does American fantasy casting so often seem to treat “white cast + some Black actors” as the default definition of diversity? Where are the Indigenous people? South Asians? East Asians? Middle Eastern people? Pacific Islanders? There are so many ways to build a genuinely diverse fantasy world.

I don't want fewer Black characters. I want MORE thought put into them.

Don't just change a character's race, collect praise for representation, refuse to explore what that change means within the world, and then cut another character whose role could have gone to another Black actress.

That's not the kind of representation I find empowering. It feels incredibly surface level, and I wish people would stop treating Black fans who say that like we're somehow arguing against our own existence on screen.

u/ApartShopping — 9 days ago
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Your favorite sound bites from show that tickle the right spot of the brain?

Examples:

Rhaenyra: "Bring aegon the usurper to me" "I am awash in dilemmas and deficiencies. let me find my footing and i will attend to your request" “Naejot Māzīs Vermithor”

Young Rhaenyra: „Dracarys“

Aegon: "Im alive...imbecile"

Helaena "I will not have any beast harmed"

Oscar Tully: "Criston Cole, traitor, usurper, defiler of justice, come fourth to hear your faith"
"I promised the dead to build a Sept out of traitors' bones. I don't have enough bones yet"

What is yours?

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u/peraperic25 — 7 days ago
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Dreamfyre and Meleys?

First ever post, so please excuse any errors!

Now that we've seen Dreamfyre, is it possible that Meleys came from one of Dreamfyre's eggs?

u/No-Signature-9415 — 9 days ago

It’s kind of sad that actual lesbian / bisexual woman characters or relationships are either cut or massively downplayed in the show, only to create a relationship that was never even hinted at in the book. It’s not like F&B wants for representation.

u/Salem1690s — 9 days ago

Trial of Seven!!!!

Now that season 3 is over, let's talk hypotheticals shall we? Team Green vs Team Black, who are your fighters and who do you think is winning?

Here are my thoughts:

Team Black

  1. Daemon Targaryen

  2. Jacearys Velaryon/Targaryen/Waters

  3. Cregan Stark

  4. Roderick Dustin

  5. Steffon Darklyn

  6. Erryk Cargyll

  7. Lorent Marbrand

Team Green

  1. Aegon Targaryen

  2. Aemond Targaryen

  3. Criston Cole

  4. Ormund Hightower

  5. Jon Roxton

  6. Arryk Cargyll

  7. Rickard Thorne.

Team Green is stacked but I wouldn't put it past Aegon to get himself killed in the process 😭

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u/MrCloudJumper — 7 days ago