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If you think about it, there's absolutely no reason to classify anything any eternal being does as good or evil, that's just a human interpretation. So framing it as a battle between good and evil essentially implies that infinite beings would battle for human perception, not anything in reality.

So battle of good and evil would purely be for human perception, and maybe that's always why the stories we like are good and evil, and anything in reality is way more complicated right now.

Since most interpretations of an infinite being or an infinite existence usually describe it as an order of some regard, even if its indescribable. So the true enemy of that could only be the genuinely nonsensical. An action without purpose in a world where every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

And as more and more people feel like we live in the end times, we can all look around and see that this is REALLY stupid most of all. Maybe the true test is if we can put our differences aside and take out the stupid first, and then chat about the good things like the true good old days.

Remember when Jews, Muslims, and Christians were like best bros in the science fields?

CAN WE ALL AGREE THAT WAS AWESOME AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET BACK TO THAT?

The current world is crumbling due to the social inertia of a system built on personal gain finally reaching the point where they can only take from what’s already there. This needs to change, or it will crumble and we have no idea if what survives is a life worth living.

Religious Institutions exist for a reason, they are supposed to actively guide people for growth, but they rely almost entirely on ancient writings. If that works, then it should solve modern problems, if not, that doesn’t mean ignore things that don’t work and stick to the ancient solutions. That’s like trying to run an IT job using smoke signals. 

The fundamental need of all institutions, religious or otherwise, is because people will never figure things out at scale on their own. The problem today is that institutions aren’t growing with the people, and that has left people stagnated. This growth is what will guide us through modern problems, and also allow us to pivot away from solutions that may have worked in the past but not anymore.

Many of the problems of today need NEW solutions, not ancient traditions. If there was any religion that wanted a thriving flock on the planet instead of a limited one on the remains of the world, the people who focus entirely on improving most people’s lives in the now will probably gain a critical mass as so many people are confused and miserable. And within that, the humility to actually want to improve lives, instead of enforcing religious dogma.

The worst churches are already political, what's everyone else's excuse? We have to admit that personal gain isn't enough to keep things stable, now who has the power to get the ball rolling on that before we find out by killing each other?

Religious Institutions exist for a reason, they are supposed to actively guide people for growth, but they rely almost entirely on ancient writings. If that works, then it should solve modern problems, if not, that doesn’t mean ignore things that don’t work and stick to the ancient solutions. That’s like trying to run an IT job using smoke signals. 

Many of the problems of today need NEW solutions, not ancient traditions. If there was any religion that wanted a thriving flock on the planet instead of a limited one on the remains of the world, the people who focus entirely on improving most people’s lives in the now will probably gain a critical mass as so many people are confused and miserable.

The fundamental need of all institutions, religious or otherwise, is because people will never figure things out at scale on their own. The problem today is that institutions aren’t growing with the people, and that has left people stagnated. This growth is what will guide us through modern problems, and also allow us to pivot away from solutions that may have worked in the past but not anymore.

TLDR: Nobody can explain the infinite and nobody claims that they really can. But they will push it into a Schrodinger's infinite situation where they admit that they have no understanding, but also have the one true understanding. Religious institutions cannot accept this doubt, as it makes people less likely to join and they’d never get off the ground. However, if the existing institutions now realize that the path forward is to accept the ambiguity and push farther, a better world can be formed. Especially that’s needed right now as the world is going down, everyone knows it, but people are afraid to change. If we continue to treat fixing the world like a personal choice instead of a collective necessity, we will continue to have people who burn it down for personal gain. And the people most obsessed with personal gain tend to gain the most power. That needs to change if we are to survive. And if you’re of a religion that prefers the mass destruction of humanity…..why would you believe a creator would make so many people just to destroy them? The way I see things, either the institutions change before things crumble, or they hope to be around after things crumble…..one seems like a WAY safer gamble, especially in a world filled with resentment because it got burned down for money.

 Full story below.

Meaning gets lost when you summarize, If you don’t have the time to read this now, read it later. If you feel like it. I'm just trying to figure out if anyone who disagrees actually knows more than me and can explain more, I’m not looking for a person who just wants to ignore me with no self reflection.

To whom it may concern,

I was raised as something called a messianic jew, essentially you like the torah but you love jesus, I always suspected the whole thing was a major cope, I never practiced or even got my barmutzfah. Because before that, I was reading the scripture about how Moses told Israel to just start killing people. Mom tells me, because God said so. I asked: How do we know, that order came from Moses. Mom tells me, well Moses was channeled by God. I’m like, ACCORDING TO MOSES, DIDN’T HE WRITE THIS TOO?  Of course I got beat for that, but right then and there I had the idea that the whole thing was questionable. I also knew I discovered a total nuke that would just get someone to stab me, so I kept that one to myself and kept pointing at different scriptures that I’d pick up and nobody could tell me why I’m wrong, they’d just get mad.

And I’m like, I also like being alive, so I’ve spent my whole life learning and doing. Always aced my courses, did extra-curriculars, volunteered for fun, and that got me here, where I’m working at a fintech giant and am a firefighter on the side. But then a couple weeks after my 26th birthday, I’m getting that crisis of what I’m supposed to do now, the world’s going down, and I realize I’m a complete moron. I see a mouse in my apartment. I was a total moron because I was genuinely starting to believe my apartment had ghosts and it turns out it’s a damn mouse. And I refuse to rationalize that, I order some no kill traps, since the little guy helped me, and go to bed.

That’s when I dreamed, still thinking about what made me such a goddamn moron was that I had an idea and stuck to that even when it didn’t really make sense. And I kept looking for what didn’t make sense instead of what did. I had no idea that things could be really simple if I just figure out what I could be missing. So I’m going to burn that off right now, and figure out what about the bible I can learn from, it’s the worst possible perspective, might as well rip the bandaid off by finding something to learn from the worst thing. I think about David, the man who really just had the stones to look at the problem and see it for what it is. “Lion’s and Tigers and Bears, Oh my God, he’s just a guy.” David knew he handled way more than that, and with that he just walked up to the guy who’s muscles were a little too big, and told him, “Forgot your helmet, jackass.”. And then, the next guy was Solomon. Smartest guy in the world, until the man found quite a few distractions. Everything fell apart after that. If you think about it, they’re like a set, the random guy who built a kingdom by solving a seemingly impossible problem with a simple solution, only for it to be burned down by the smartest guy in the world who had a little too much fun all the time. And Solomon and Goliath are their own pair two, Strongest guy around thought that meant all-power, but he didn’t protect his head and he was definitely not invincible. The smartest guy around thought that meant he knew everything, and we’ll, let’s say he let his body get in the way of things, and it made him real dumb sometimes. And it ended with both of them losing everything. But then, let’s fast forward to the elephant in the room. Jesus Christ. Pretty much everyone agrees with 99%, but man that 1% is apparently worth killing over. But even Jesus says chill out, as long as someone’s doing good and knows I said so,  he can’t disrespect me, so leave it alone. So what are people even worried about, just listen to the guy.

But if you think about it even further than that, they each represent their individual strengths. David had the strength to build an entire kingdom, his body was strong. Solomon had the mind of all time, it’s what he was known for….mostly. Jesus had the spirit, for if anyone is going to prove that it’s right to give everything for others, even when all around see know flaw in you, then they have to have the spirit to prove it. And maybe understanding these three things is how you build yourself out. Your body will be weak if untended, your mind will atrophy if you don’t challenge it, and your spirit waivers if you don’t keep disciplined. And somehow, I stumbled upon that by being a firefighter that works in fintech, who spent his free time being a massive reddit atheist, and had the stones to challenge even myself when I knew I could be stupid.

And that’s when I heard a voice. “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.” And I realized that these were true, these were stories I liked as a kid, and I understood them, and even when I rejected everything, I still kept them. And then I’m thinking, “this guy has got some serious jokes, who the hell is he,” and I start to look up, and immediately woke up to a manic episode of scattered writings for 6 days straight, then passed out for like 20 hours. I really terrified my family. But it definitely left an answer. I’ll never understand what the hell that voice came from. But then I started thinking about the verse. “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.”. That’s what a Father would say, He wants those who are open to Him. But more importantly, understand what He is teaching him. But a child leaves the house, a child is meant to grow up, and when they leave, they take the understanding, not the orders. And when the son comes back, it’s out of trust, friendship, and love, not out of obligation. But one thing is real clear here, the son will NEVER hope to understand the Father, and it’s not the son’s fault. No child will ever know the true reason they were brought into the world, maybe they can just trust that there’s at least somebody who understands that they hope for them what any good parent hopes for their kid. To grow up, understanding and loving their world, and looking out for as many people as they can. And even if nobody they can see is watching them, it’s fine to believe that at least one guy is.  But there is one thing you have to understand, no son can understand the Father, NO son can. And anyone who claims that their interpretation of the Father is all that He is capable of, you really want to hope you don’t actually meet the guy. Maybe understand that if a being is everywhere and capable of anything, maybe it’s capable of appearing in different forms for different reasons. So instead of treating someone who thinks differently like they are evil, maybe figure out the reason they believe it, and figure out how you both get what you want. Why would anyone fight over the best way to do a good thing, the most good is good for everybody. And if you're good is at others expense and you believe that’s the only option, well I bet the guy with infinite options knows at least a few better ones, and He may or may not judge you for not taking them. It’s not my place. But he really emphasizes that he takes no joy in punishing people, so if you’re harming people and there’s any sense of satisfaction from it, understand that’s a human emotion and you better hope it’s directed at something you’ll bet your eternal soul that it’s completely wrong. At least, if you believe in all that. I’m a guy who never liked religion and is talking about a dream.

Anyways, I don’t care what you do with this information, maybe share it around and start doing what you can to fix things. If you believe in a bean counter after you die, I think letting the world that the guy spent so much time making blow up on your watch will be a huuuuugeeee debuff to anyone who actually had a capability to do something better and didn’t. I bet there’s a bonus score the more you put your difference aside, and a multiplier if you challenge your own failings for the greater good. I’m not the guy to point fingers, so don’t bother me for pointing it out. I have no idea if I’m crazy or not. A completely equal read is that this is a crazy quarter life crisis. But we do know that the world is going to a very bad place if we don’t start all figuring out what we can do, and if you think you do enough…..are you your own judge? Up to you.

This is not an argument for any truth, it's an argument for mutual acceptance of the unknown. And in that acceptance, maybe it makes the most sense to look out for each other and piece things together? Which religion lays claim to a complete understanding of god? So if we can’t be sure, maybe we start with a few basic rules? The golden one is pretty good to start, and actually follow it. If you believe in a bean counter, you know he knows everything you COULD have done.

It’s gonna be tough, I don’t have any answers for what should be done, but I’m pretty sure all of us are looking around and feeling like more should be.  I don’t have a perfect answer, you don’t, he doesn’t, she doesn’t. Almost like nobody’s perfect, so let’s start with the basics, maybe from that one guy everyone already likes. I don’t think you need to understand everything to at least believe you need to start doing good.

Therefore, we need clear problems, specific solutions, measured approaches, and the humility to change course when we're wrong. The scope of each solution needs to depend on the need, the more you vibe out a full change, the more likely things blow up. So sometimes sudden changes are needed, sometimes incremental ones. It all depends on who can clearly know what they are saying, and we want the guy who actually knows what he’s talking about to say the most. And that’s the guy who says the most you can’t argue against, from A POINT OF FACT, not vibes and “well someone’s job is going to fix things”.

That's not inspirational. It won't fit in a dream. It won't feel like revelation. No one has perfect access to the truth, we all know it. So it makes the most sense to  be humble about our beliefs and approach our disagreements with compassion, evidence, but openness to correction.

But it's just the thing that I’m figuring has the best chance of always working. Who is going to tell me that the most understandable and fact driven argument has the worst chance at being wrong…..without gesturing to some vague conceptional solution that nobody has come up with yet. Yeah, that’ll always happen, you gotta make the best of what you got and try to be sure of it as much as you can.

I already know that. I built my entire life on it. And I’m betting my eternal life on it too. Because this isn’t an answer, it’s a foundation. Tell me what’s wrong with what I said. Find a crack in my foundation. And maybe think about how yours is built. I'm sure there's a flaw somewhere here that you can find in it, but what foundation can you find in yours that's stronger? Does your foundation define the infinite in finite terms? I don’t think an infinite being would appreciate that. And if you can’t figure out how I’m more wrong than you, share the word.

I’m not making an argument for my foundation, just that I respect all as no one’s foundation is without fault. But I do believe mine has the least amount of cracks. If someone has less cracks than me, I’ll gladly listen. When you say faith in god, do you mean that, or faith in the writings of humans who claim to be from God? I'm not saying they're wrong, but how much are you going to challenge them and why not? It seems to me that we both don’t know for sure, but I’m definitely willing to challenge any human’s understanding of God, even really old ones. Are you? Who trusts in God, and who trusts in man?

Religious Institutions exist for a reason, they are supposed to actively guide people for growth, but they rely almost entirely on ancient writings. If that works, then it should solve modern problems, if not, that doesn’t mean ignore things that don’t work and stick to the ancient solutions. That’s like trying to run an IT job using smoke signals. 

The fundamental need of all institutions, religious or otherwise, is because people will never figure things out at scale on their own. The problem today is that institutions aren’t growing with the people, and that has left people stagnated. This growth is what will guide us through modern problems, and also allow us to pivot away from solutions that may have worked in the past but not anymore.

TLDR: Nobody can explain the infinite and nobody claims that they really can. But they will push it into a Schrodinger's infinite situation where they admit that they have no understanding, but also have the one true understanding. Religious institutions cannot accept this doubt, as it makes people less likely to join and they’d never get off the ground. However, if the existing institutions now realize that the path forward is to accept the ambiguity and push farther, a better world can be formed. Especially that’s needed right now as the world is going down, everyone knows it, but people are afraid to change. If we continue to treat fixing the world like a personal choice instead of a collective necessity, we will continue to have people who burn it down for personal gain. And the people most obsessed with personal gain tend to gain the most power. That needs to change if we are to survive. And if you’re of a religion that prefers the mass destruction of humanity…..why would you believe a creator would make so many people just to destroy them? The way I see things, either the institutions change before things crumble, or they hope to be around after things crumble…..one seems like a WAY safer gamble, especially in a world filled with resentment because it got burned down for money.

Full story below.

Meaning gets lost when you summarize, If you don’t have the time to read this now, read it later. If you feel like it. I'm just trying to figure out if anyone who disagrees actually knows more than me and can explain more, I’m not looking for a person who just wants to ignore me with no self reflection.

To whom it may concern,

I was raised as something called a messianic jew, essentially you like the torah but you love jesus, I always suspected the whole thing was a major cope, I never practiced or even got my barmutzfah. Because before that, I was reading the scripture about how Moses told Israel to just start killing people. Mom tells me, because God said so. I asked: How do we know, that order came from Moses. Mom tells me, well Moses was channeled by God. I’m like, ACCORDING TO MOSES, DIDN’T HE WRITE THIS TOO?  Of course I got beat for that, but right then and there I had the idea that the whole thing was questionable. I also knew I discovered a total nuke that would just get someone to stab me, so I kept that one to myself and kept pointing at different scriptures that I’d pick up and nobody could tell me why I’m wrong, they’d just get mad.

And I’m like, I also like being alive, so I’ve spent my whole life learning and doing. Always aced my courses, did extra-curriculars, volunteered for fun, and that got me here, where I’m working at a fintech giant and am a firefighter on the side. But then a couple weeks after my 26th birthday, I’m getting that crisis of what I’m supposed to do now, the world’s going down, and I realize I’m a complete moron. I see a mouse in my apartment. I was a total moron because I was genuinely starting to believe my apartment had ghosts and it turns out it’s a damn mouse. And I refuse to rationalize that, I order some no kill traps, since the little guy helped me, and go to bed.

That’s when I dreamed, still thinking about what made me such a goddamn moron was that I had an idea and stuck to that even when it didn’t really make sense. And I kept looking for what didn’t make sense instead of what did. I had no idea that things could be really simple if I just figure out what I could be missing. So I’m going to burn that off right now, and figure out what about the bible I can learn from, it’s the worst possible perspective, might as well rip the bandaid off by finding something to learn from the worst thing. I think about David, the man who really just had the stones to look at the problem and see it for what it is. “Lion’s and Tigers and Bears, Oh my God, he’s just a guy.” David knew he handled way more than that, and with that he just walked up to the guy who’s muscles were a little too big, and told him, “Forgot your helmet, jackass.”. And then, the next guy was Solomon. Smartest guy in the world, until the man found quite a few distractions. Everything fell apart after that. If you think about it, they’re like a set, the random guy who built a kingdom by solving a seemingly impossible problem with a simple solution, only for it to be burned down by the smartest guy in the world who had a little too much fun all the time. And Solomon and Goliath are their own pair two, Strongest guy around thought that meant all-power, but he didn’t protect his head and he was definitely not invincible. The smartest guy around thought that meant he knew everything, and we’ll, let’s say he let his body get in the way of things, and it made him real dumb sometimes. And it ended with both of them losing everything. But then, let’s fast forward to the elephant in the room. Jesus Christ. Pretty much everyone agrees with 99%, but man that 1% is apparently worth killing over. But even Jesus says chill out, as long as someone’s doing good and knows I said so,  he can’t disrespect me, so leave it alone. So what are people even worried about, just listen to the guy.

But if you think about it even further than that, they each represent their individual strengths. David had the strength to build an entire kingdom, his body was strong. Solomon had the mind of all time, it’s what he was known for….mostly. Jesus had the spirit, for if anyone is going to prove that it’s right to give everything for others, even when all around see know flaw in you, then they have to have the spirit to prove it. And maybe understanding these three things is how you build yourself out. Your body will be weak if untended, your mind will atrophy if you don’t challenge it, and your spirit waivers if you don’t keep disciplined. And somehow, I stumbled upon that by being a firefighter that works in fintech, who spent his free time being a massive reddit atheist, and had the stones to challenge even myself when I knew I could be stupid.

And that’s when I heard a voice. “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.” And I realized that these were true, these were stories I liked as a kid, and I understood them, and even when I rejected everything, I still kept them. And then I’m thinking, “this guy has got some serious jokes, who the hell is he,” and I start to look up, and immediately woke up to a manic episode of scattered writings for 6 days straight, then passed out for like 20 hours. I really terrified my family. But it definitely left an answer. I’ll never understand what the hell that voice came from. But then I started thinking about the verse. “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.”. That’s what a Father would say, He wants those who are open to Him. But more importantly, understand what He is teaching him. But a child leaves the house, a child is meant to grow up, and when they leave, they take the understanding, not the orders. And when the son comes back, it’s out of trust, friendship, and love, not out of obligation. But one thing is real clear here, the son will NEVER hope to understand the Father, and it’s not the son’s fault. No child will ever know the true reason they were brought into the world, maybe they can just trust that there’s at least somebody who understands that they hope for them what any good parent hopes for their kid. To grow up, understanding and loving their world, and looking out for as many people as they can. And even if nobody they can see is watching them, it’s fine to believe that at least one guy is.  But there is one thing you have to understand, no son can understand the Father, NO son can. And anyone who claims that their interpretation of the Father is all that He is capable of, you really want to hope you don’t actually meet the guy. Maybe understand that if a being is everywhere and capable of anything, maybe it’s capable of appearing in different forms for different reasons. So instead of treating someone who thinks differently like they are evil, maybe figure out the reason they believe it, and figure out how you both get what you want. Why would anyone fight over the best way to do a good thing, the most good is good for everybody. And if you're good is at others expense and you believe that’s the only option, well I bet the guy with infinite options knows at least a few better ones, and He may or may not judge you for not taking them. It’s not my place. But he really emphasizes that he takes no joy in punishing people, so if you’re harming people and there’s any sense of satisfaction from it, understand that’s a human emotion and you better hope it’s directed at something you’ll bet your eternal soul that it’s completely wrong. At least, if you believe in all that. I’m a guy who never liked religion and is talking about a dream.

Anyways, I don’t care what you do with this information, maybe share it around and start doing what you can to fix things. If you believe in a bean counter after you die, I think letting the world that the guy spent so much time making blow up on your watch will be a huuuuugeeee debuff to anyone who actually had a capability to do something better and didn’t. I bet there’s a bonus score the more you put your difference aside, and a multiplier if you challenge your own failings for the greater good. I’m not the guy to point fingers, so don’t bother me for pointing it out. I have no idea if I’m crazy or not. A completely equal read is that this is a crazy quarter life crisis. But we do know that the world is going to a very bad place if we don’t start all figuring out what we can do, and if you think you do enough…..are you your own judge? Up to you.

This is not an argument for any truth, it's an argument for mutual acceptance of the unknown. And in that acceptance, maybe it makes the most sense to look out for each other and piece things together? Which religion lays claim to a complete understanding of god? So if we can’t be sure, maybe we start with a few basic rules? The golden one is pretty good to start, and actually follow it. If you believe in a bean counter, you know he knows everything you COULD have done.

It’s gonna be tough, I don’t have any answers for what should be done, but I’m pretty sure all of us are looking around and feeling like more should be.  I don’t have a perfect answer, you don’t, he doesn’t, she doesn’t. Almost like nobody’s perfect, so let’s start with the basics, maybe from that one guy everyone already likes. I don’t think you need to understand everything to at least believe you need to start doing good.

Therefore, we need clear problems, specific solutions, measured approaches, and the humility to change course when we're wrong. The scope of each solution needs to depend on the need, the more you vibe out a full change, the more likely things blow up. So sometimes sudden changes are needed, sometimes incremental ones. It all depends on who can clearly know what they are saying, and we want the guy who actually knows what he’s talking about to say the most. And that’s the guy who says the most you can’t argue against, from A POINT OF FACT, not vibes and “well someone’s job is going to fix things”.

That's not inspirational. It won't fit in a dream. It won't feel like revelation. No one has perfect access to the truth, we all know it. So it makes the most sense to  be humble about our beliefs and approach our disagreements with compassion, evidence, but openness to correction.

But it's just the thing that I’m figuring has the best chance of always working. Who is going to tell me that the most understandable and fact driven argument has the worst chance at being wrong…..without gesturing to some vague conceptional solution that nobody has come up with yet. Yeah, that’ll always happen, you gotta make the best of what you got and try to be sure of it as much as you can.

I already know that. I built my entire life on it. And I’m betting my eternal life on it too. Because this isn’t an answer, it’s a foundation. Tell me what’s wrong with what I said. Find a crack in my foundation. And maybe think about how yours is built. I'm sure there's a flaw somewhere here that you can find in it, but what foundation can you find in yours that's stronger? Does your foundation define the infinite in finite terms? I don’t think an infinite being would appreciate that. And if you can’t figure out how I’m more wrong than you, share the word.

I’m not making an argument for my foundation, just that I respect all as no one’s foundation is without fault. But I do believe mine has the least amount of cracks. If someone has less cracks than me, I’ll gladly listen. When you say faith in god, do you mean that, or faith in the writings of humans who claim to be from God? I'm not saying they're wrong, but how much are you going to challenge them and why not? It seems to me that we both don’t know for sure, but I’m definitely willing to challenge any human’s understanding of God, even really old ones. Are you? Who trusts in God, and who trusts in man?

The world is burning down right now and everyone is holding onto their personal interpretation of God as an excuse as to why they aren't doing more to fix things.

Maybe the reason why everyone is stuck right now is that they are satisfied with their current interpretation of the world even as the world burns down around them.

Everyone is personally speaking for God to themselves, and if there was ever a test for humanity to see if we can fix ourselves, it's to stop doing that.

Meaning gets lost when you summarize, If you don’t have the time to read this now, read it later. If you feel like it. I'm just trying to figure out if anyone who disagrees actually knows more than me and can explain more, I’m not looking for a person who just wants to ignore me with no self reflection.

TLDR: Nobody can explain the infinite and nobody claims that they really can. But they will push it into a Schrodinger's infinite situation where they admit that they have no understanding, but also have the one true understanding.. I'm wondering why the people who know God intentionally wrote their works through flawed people would want you to believe that the works are perfect and are the only path to God, instead of perhaps the most effective path to God of which can be challenged by other works? Why do no religions ever admit that they are written by humans that can get things wrong?. If we all know this is coming, we all need to look around and see what we can do. Not as a generic call, but the realization that everyone who truly believes in a deity believes that deity will judge them beyond their own understanding. And if they understand that they are doing enough in the moment, that’s the human speaking…..unless they claim to speak for their God as well.

Full story below.

To whom it may concern,

I was raised as something called a messianic jew, essentially you like the torah but you love jesus, I always suspected the whole thing was a major cope, I never practiced or even got my barmutzfah. Because before that, I was reading the scripture about how Moses told Israel to just start killing people. Mom tells me, because God said so. I asked: How do we know, that order came from Moses. Mom tells me, well Moses was channeled by God. I’m like, ACCORDING TO MOSES, DIDN’T HE WRITE THIS TOO?  Of course I got beat for that, but right then and there I had the idea that the whole thing is questionable. I also knew I discovered a total nuke that would just get someone to stab me, so I kept that one to myself and kept pointing at different scriptures that I’d pick up and nobody could tell me why I’m wrong, they’d just get mad.

And I’m like, I also like being alive, so I’ve spent my whole life learning and doing. Always aced my courses, did extra-curriculars, volunteered for fun, and that got me here, where I’m working at a fintech giant and am a firefighter on the side. But then a couple weeks after my 26th birthday, I’m getting that crisis of what I’m supposed to do now, the world’s going down, and I realize I’m a complete moron. I see a mouse in my apartment. I was a total moron because I was genuinely starting to believe my apartment had ghosts and it turns out it’s a damn mouse. And I refuse to rationalize that, I order some no kill traps, since the little guy helped me, and go to bed.

That’s when I dreamed, still thinking about what made me such a goddamn moron was that I had an idea and stuck to that even when it didn’t really make sense. And I kept looking for what didn’t make sense instead of what did. I had no idea that things could be really simple if I just figure out what I could be missing. So I’m going to burn that off right now, and figure out what about the bible I can learn from, it’s the worst possible perspective, might as well rip the bandaid off by finding something to learn from the worst thing. I think about David, the man who really just had the stones to look at the problem and see it for what it is. “Lion’s and Tigers and Bears, Oh my God, he’s just a guy.” David knew he handled way more than that, and with that he just walked up to the guy who’s muscles were a little too big, and told him, “Forgot your helmet, jackass.”. And then, the next guy was Solomon. Smartest guy in the world, until the man found quite a few distractions. Everything fell apart after that. If you think about it, they’re like a set, the random guy who built a kingdom by solving a seemingly impossible problem with a simple solution, only for it to be burned down by the smartest guy in the world who had a little too much fun all the time. And Solomon and Goliath are their own pair two, Strongest guy around thought that meant all-power, but he didn’t protect his head and he was definitely not invincible. The smartest guy around thought that meant he knew everything, and we’ll, let’s say he let his body get in the way of things, and it made him real dumb sometimes. And it ended with both of them losing everything. But then, let’s fast forward to the elephant in the room. Jesus Christ. Pretty much everyone agrees with 99%, but man that 1% is apparently worth killing over. But even Jesus says chill out, as long as someone’s doing good and knows I said so,  he can’t disrespect me, so leave it alone. So what are people even worried about, just listen to the guy.

But if you think about it even further than that, they each represent their individual strengths. David had the strength to build an entire kingdom, his body was strong. Solomon had the mind of all time, it’s what he was known for….mostly. Jesus had the spirit, for if anyone is going to prove that it’s right to give everything for others, even when all around see know flaw in you, then they have to have the spirit to prove it. And maybe understanding these three things is how you build yourself out. Your body will be weak if untended, your mind will atrophy if you don’t challenge it, and your spirit waivers if you don’t keep disciplined. And somehow, I stumbled upon that by being a firefighter that works in fintech, who spent his free time being a massive reddit atheist, and had the stones to challenge even myself when I knew I could be stupid.

And that’s when I heard a voice. “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.” And I realized that these were true, these were stories I liked as a kid, and I understood them, and even when I rejected everything, I still kept them. And then I’m thinking, “this guy has got some serious jokes, who the hell is he,” and I start to look up, and immediately woke up to a manic episode of scattered writings for 6 days straight, then passed out for like 20 hours. I really terrified my family. But it definitely left an answer. I’ll never understand what the hell that voice came from. But then I started thinking about the verse. “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.”. That’s what a Father would say, He wants those who are open to Him. But more importantly, understand what He is teaching him. But a child leaves the house, a child is meant to grow up, and when they leave, they take the understanding, not the orders. And when the son comes back, it’s out of trust, friendship, and love, not out of obligation. But one thing is real clear here, the son will NEVER hope to understand the Father, and it’s not the son’s fault. No child will ever know the true reason they were brought into the world, maybe they can just trust that there’s at least somebody who understands that they hope for them what any good parent hopes for their kid. To grow up, understanding and loving their world, and looking out for as many people as they can. And even if nobody they can see is watching them, it’s fine to believe that at least one guy is.  But there is one thing you have to understand, no son can understand the Father, NO son can. And anyone who claims that their interpretation of the Father is all that He is capable of, you really want to hope you don’t actually meet the guy. Maybe understand that if a being is everywhere and capable of anything, maybe it’s capable of appearing in different forms for different reasons. So instead of treating someone who thinks differently like they are evil, maybe figure out the reason they believe it, and figure out how you both get what you want. Why would anyone fight over the best way to do a good thing, the most good is good for everybody. And if you're good is at others expense and you believe that’s the only option, well I bet the guy with infinite options knows at least a few better ones, and He may or may not judge you for not taking them. It’s not my place. But he really emphasizes that he takes no joy in punishing people, so if you’re harming people and there’s any sense of satisfaction from it, understand that’s a human emotion and you better hope it’s directed at something you’ll bet your eternal soul that it’s completely wrong. At least, if you believe in all that. I’m a guy who never liked religion and is talking about a dream.

Anyways, I don’t care what you do with this information, maybe share it around and start doing what you can to fix things. If you believe in a bean counter after you die, I think letting the world that the guy spent so much time making blow up on your watch will be a huuuuugeeee debuff to anyone who actually had a capability to do something better and didn’t. I bet there’s a bonus score the more you put your difference aside, and a multiplier if you challenge your own failings for the greater good. I’m not the guy to point fingers, so don’t bother me for pointing it out. I have no idea if I’m crazy or not. A completely equal read is that this is a crazy quarter life crisis. But we do know that the world is going to a very bad place if we don’t start all figuring out what we can do, and if you think you do enough…..are you your own judge? Up to you.

This is not an argument for any truth, it's an argument for mutual acceptance of the unknown. And in that acceptance, maybe it makes the most sense to look out for each other and piece things together? Which religion lays claim to a complete understanding of god? So if we can’t be sure, maybe we start with a few basic rules? The golden one is pretty good to start, and actually follow it. If you believe in a bean counter, you know he knows everything you COULD have done.

It’s gonna be tough, I don’t have any answers for what should be done, but I’m pretty sure all of us are looking around and feeling like more should be.  I don’t have a perfect answer, you don’t, he doesn’t, she doesn’t. Almost like nobody’s perfect, so let’s start with the basics, maybe from that one guy everyone already likes. I don’t think you need to understand everything to at least believe you need to start doing good.

Therefore, we need clear problems, specific solutions, measured approaches, and the humility to change course when we're wrong. The scope of each solution needs to depend on the need, the more you vibe out a full change, the more likely things blow up. So sometimes sudden changes are needed, sometimes incremental ones. It all depends on who can clearly know what they are saying, and we want the guy who actually knows what he’s talking about to say the most. And that’s the guy who says the most you can’t argue against, from A POINT OF FACT, not vibes and “well someone’s job is going to fix things”.

That's not inspirational. It won't fit in a dream. It won't feel like revelation. No one has perfect access to the truth, we all know it. So it makes the most sense to  be humble about our beliefs and approach our disagreements with compassion, evidence, but openness to correction.

But it's just the thing that I’m figuring has the best chance of always working. Who is going to tell me that the most understandable and fact driven argument has the worst chance at being wrong…..without gesturing to some vague conceptional solution that nobody has come up with yet. Yeah, that’ll always happen, you gotta make the best of what you got and try to be sure of it as much as you can.

I already know that. I built my entire life on it. And I’m betting my eternal life on it too. Because this isn’t an answer, it’s a foundation. Tell me what’s wrong with what I said. Find a crack in my foundation. And maybe think about how yours is built. I'm sure there's a flaw somewhere here that you can find in it, but what foundation can you find in yours that's stronger? Does your foundation define the infinite in finite terms? I don’t think an infinite being would appreciate that. And if you can’t figure out how I’m more wrong than you, share the word.

I’m not making an argument for my foundation, just that I respect all as no one’s foundation is without fault. But I do believe mine has the least amount of cracks. If someone has less cracks than me, I’ll gladly listen. When you say faith in god, do you mean that, or faith in the writings of humans who claim to be from God? I'm not saying they're wrong, but how much are you going to challenge them and why not? It seems to me that we both don’t know for sure, but I’m definitely willing to challenge any human’s understanding of God, even really old ones. Are you? Who trusts in God, and who trusts in man?

The world is burning down right now and everyone is holding onto their personal interpretation of God as an excuse as to why they aren't doing more to fix things.

Maybe the reason why everyone is stuck right now is that they are satisfied with their current interpretation of the world even as the world burns down around them.

Everyone is personally speaking for God to themselves, and if there was ever a test for humanity to see if we can fix ourselves, it's to stop doing that.

Meaning gets lost when you summarize, If you don’t have the time to read this now, read it later. If you feel like it. I'm just trying to figure out if anyone who disagrees actually knows more than me and can explain more, I’m not looking for a person who just wants to ignore me with no self reflection.

TLDR: Nobody can explain the infinite and nobody claims that they really can. But they will push it into a Schrodinger's infinite situation where they admit that they have no understanding, but also have the one true understanding.. I'm wondering why the people who know God intentionally wrote their works through flawed people would want you to believe that the works are perfect and are the only path to God, instead of perhaps the most effective path to God of which can be challenged by other works? Why do no religions ever admit that they are written by humans that can get things wrong?. If we all know this is coming, we all need to look around and see what we can do. Not as a generic call, but the realization that everyone who truly believes in a deity believes that deity will judge them beyond their own understanding. And if they understand that they are doing enough in the moment, that’s the human speaking…..unless they claim to speak for their God as well.

Full story below.

To whom it may concern,

I was raised as something called a messianic jew, essentially you like the torah but you love jesus, I always suspected the whole thing was a major cope, I never practiced or even got my barmutzfah. Because before that, I was reading the scripture about how Moses told Israel to just start killing people. Mom tells me, because God said so. I asked: How do we know, that order came from Moses. Mom tells me, well Moses was channeled by God. I’m like, ACCORDING TO MOSES, DIDN’T HE WRITE THIS TOO?  Of course I got beat for that, but right then and there I had the idea that the whole thing is questionable. I also knew I discovered a total nuke that would just get someone to stab me, so I kept that one to myself and kept pointing at different scriptures that I’d pick up and nobody could tell me why I’m wrong, they’d just get mad.

And I’m like, I also like being alive, so I’ve spent my whole life learning and doing. Always aced my courses, did extra-curriculars, volunteered for fun, and that got me here, where I’m working at a fintech giant and am a firefighter on the side. But then a couple weeks after my 26th birthday, I’m getting that crisis of what I’m supposed to do now, the world’s going down, and I realize I’m a complete moron. I see a mouse in my apartment. I was a total moron because I was genuinely starting to believe my apartment had ghosts and it turns out it’s a damn mouse. And I refuse to rationalize that, I order some no kill traps, since the little guy helped me, and go to bed.

That’s when I dreamed, still thinking about what made me such a goddamn moron was that I had an idea and stuck to that even when it didn’t really make sense. And I kept looking for what didn’t make sense instead of what did. I had no idea that things could be really simple if I just figure out what I could be missing. So I’m going to burn that off right now, and figure out what about the bible I can learn from, it’s the worst possible perspective, might as well rip the bandaid off by finding something to learn from the worst thing. I think about David, the man who really just had the stones to look at the problem and see it for what it is. “Lion’s and Tigers and Bears, Oh my God, he’s just a guy.” David knew he handled way more than that, and with that he just walked up to the guy who’s muscles were a little too big, and told him, “Forgot your helmet, jackass.”. And then, the next guy was Solomon. Smartest guy in the world, until the man found quite a few distractions. Everything fell apart after that. If you think about it, they’re like a set, the random guy who built a kingdom by solving a seemingly impossible problem with a simple solution, only for it to be burned down by the smartest guy in the world who had a little too much fun all the time. And Solomon and Goliath are their own pair two, Strongest guy around thought that meant all-power, but he didn’t protect his head and he was definitely not invincible. The smartest guy around thought that meant he knew everything, and we’ll, let’s say he let his body get in the way of things, and it made him real dumb sometimes. And it ended with both of them losing everything. But then, let’s fast forward to the elephant in the room. Jesus Christ. Pretty much everyone agrees with 99%, but man that 1% is apparently worth killing over. But even Jesus says chill out, as long as someone’s doing good and knows I said so,  he can’t disrespect me, so leave it alone. So what are people even worried about, just listen to the guy.

But if you think about it even further than that, they each represent their individual strengths. David had the strength to build an entire kingdom, his body was strong. Solomon had the mind of all time, it’s what he was known for….mostly. Jesus had the spirit, for if anyone is going to prove that it’s right to give everything for others, even when all around see know flaw in you, then they have to have the spirit to prove it. And maybe understanding these three things is how you build yourself out. Your body will be weak if untended, your mind will atrophy if you don’t challenge it, and your spirit waivers if you don’t keep disciplined. And somehow, I stumbled upon that by being a firefighter that works in fintech, who spent his free time being a massive reddit atheist, and had the stones to challenge even myself when I knew I could be stupid.

And that’s when I heard a voice. “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.” And I realized that these were true, these were stories I liked as a kid, and I understood them, and even when I rejected everything, I still kept them. And then I’m thinking, “this guy has got some serious jokes, who the hell is he,” and I start to look up, and immediately woke up to a manic episode of scattered writings for 6 days straight, then passed out for like 20 hours. I really terrified my family. But it definitely left an answer. I’ll never understand what the hell that voice came from. But then I started thinking about the verse. “Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.”. That’s what a Father would say, He wants those who are open to Him. But more importantly, understand what He is teaching him. But a child leaves the house, a child is meant to grow up, and when they leave, they take the understanding, not the orders. And when the son comes back, it’s out of trust, friendship, and love, not out of obligation. But one thing is real clear here, the son will NEVER hope to understand the Father, and it’s not the son’s fault. No child will ever know the true reason they were brought into the world, maybe they can just trust that there’s at least somebody who understands that they hope for them what any good parent hopes for their kid. To grow up, understanding and loving their world, and looking out for as many people as they can. And even if nobody they can see is watching them, it’s fine to believe that at least one guy is.  But there is one thing you have to understand, no son can understand the Father, NO son can. And anyone who claims that their interpretation of the Father is all that He is capable of, you really want to hope you don’t actually meet the guy. Maybe understand that if a being is everywhere and capable of anything, maybe it’s capable of appearing in different forms for different reasons. So instead of treating someone who thinks differently like they are evil, maybe figure out the reason they believe it, and figure out how you both get what you want. Why would anyone fight over the best way to do a good thing, the most good is good for everybody. And if you're good is at others expense and you believe that’s the only option, well I bet the guy with infinite options knows at least a few better ones, and He may or may not judge you for not taking them. It’s not my place. But he really emphasizes that he takes no joy in punishing people, so if you’re harming people and there’s any sense of satisfaction from it, understand that’s a human emotion and you better hope it’s directed at something you’ll bet your eternal soul that it’s completely wrong. At least, if you believe in all that. I’m a guy who never liked religion and is talking about a dream.

Anyways, I don’t care what you do with this information, maybe share it around and start doing what you can to fix things. If you believe in a bean counter after you die, I think letting the world that the guy spent so much time making blow up on your watch will be a huuuuugeeee debuff to anyone who actually had a capability to do something better and didn’t. I bet there’s a bonus score the more you put your difference aside, and a multiplier if you challenge your own failings for the greater good. I’m not the guy to point fingers, so don’t bother me for pointing it out. I have no idea if I’m crazy or not. A completely equal read is that this is a crazy quarter life crisis. But we do know that the world is going to a very bad place if we don’t start all figuring out what we can do, and if you think you do enough…..are you your own judge? Up to you.

This is not an argument for any truth, it's an argument for mutual acceptance of the unknown. And in that acceptance, maybe it makes the most sense to look out for each other and piece things together? Which religion lays claim to a complete understanding of god? So if we can’t be sure, maybe we start with a few basic rules? The golden one is pretty good to start, and actually follow it. If you believe in a bean counter, you know he knows everything you COULD have done.

It’s gonna be tough, I don’t have any answers for what should be done, but I’m pretty sure all of us are looking around and feeling like more should be.  I don’t have a perfect answer, you don’t, he doesn’t, she doesn’t. Almost like nobody’s perfect, so let’s start with the basics, maybe from that one guy everyone already likes. I don’t think you need to understand everything to at least believe you need to start doing good.

Therefore, we need clear problems, specific solutions, measured approaches, and the humility to change course when we're wrong. The scope of each solution needs to depend on the need, the more you vibe out a full change, the more likely things blow up. So sometimes sudden changes are needed, sometimes incremental ones. It all depends on who can clearly know what they are saying, and we want the guy who actually knows what he’s talking about to say the most. And that’s the guy who says the most you can’t argue against, from A POINT OF FACT, not vibes and “well someone’s job is going to fix things”.

That's not inspirational. It won't fit in a dream. It won't feel like revelation. No one has perfect access to the truth, we all know it. So it makes the most sense to  be humble about our beliefs and approach our disagreements with compassion, evidence, but openness to correction.

But it's just the thing that I’m figuring has the best chance of always working. Who is going to tell me that the most understandable and fact driven argument has the worst chance at being wrong…..without gesturing to some vague conceptional solution that nobody has come up with yet. Yeah, that’ll always happen, you gotta make the best of what you got and try to be sure of it as much as you can.

I already know that. I built my entire life on it. And I’m betting my eternal life on it too. Because this isn’t an answer, it’s a foundation. Tell me what’s wrong with what I said. Find a crack in my foundation. And maybe think about how yours is built. I'm sure there's a flaw somewhere here that you can find in it, but what foundation can you find in yours that's stronger? Does your foundation define the infinite in finite terms? I don’t think an infinite being would appreciate that. And if you can’t figure out how I’m more wrong than you, share the word.

I’m not making an argument for my foundation, just that I respect all as no one’s foundation is without fault. But I do believe mine has the least amount of cracks. If someone has less cracks than me, I’ll gladly listen. When you say faith in god, do you mean that, or faith in the writings of humans who claim to be from God? I'm not saying they're wrong, but how much are you going to challenge them and why not? It seems to me that we both don’t know for sure, but I’m definitely willing to challenge any human’s understanding of God, even really old ones. Are you? Who trusts in God, and who trusts in man?

Rewatching the series, and it seems like Mr. Liu is insisting on making Titan follow the rules of the Order in order to gain control over Titan, but he really was just following the rules. Maybe everyone in the Order handles business on their own turf for one small reason: You do not want crime lords encroaching on other lords turf. Mr. Liu kept trying to hammer this into Titan's head the only way a brutal crime lord would. The order exists to keep the criminals from killing each other, and that only works if all the criminals agree. So it doesn't matter if Titan just wants the city, everyone in the order needs to know that. That only works if he's at the table.

I think a better explanation is that Omni-man just snitched. Machine Head would never admit that he knew just because Omni-man told him, so we really would not know from that character whether or not he was actually telling the truth about having thought ahead. In fact, acting this way would be in his best interest by all margins. But I'm pretty sure they don't explain how he actually managed to get in contact with Battle Beast for a reason.

Omni-man being the mastermind behind the whole fight makes everything make much more sense.

From Machine Head's perspective, he gets to look incredibly smart and gets to send a message to anyone who would challenge him.

From Omni-man's never wanted Invincible to do this to begin with, and especially doesn't like the idea that his son is already ignoring him to go help random locals (remember he's being prepared to fight for Viltrum at the moment). So Omni-man, wanting to send a message, let's Machine Head know about this guy, finds him, and Machine Head teleports him in. Omni-man is the one who promised Battle Beast worthy opponents, because Omni-man is the one character who might have actually known who Battle Beast was and where to find him. He also has the benefit of killing the strongest members of the New Guardians. So it all worked out for him as well. And he'd never reveal this to Mark......why would he?

And Battle Beast is just a walking can of kicking ass. He only really tries to kill the people who do any damage to him whatsoever, outside of when he sees that Mark would kill the local guys. A subtheory of mine is that Black Samson got his powers back when he abandoned his suit, it was a mental lock not physical. And Battle Beast doesn't even attempt to kill any of the Guardians who didn't at least have super strength because he came purely to fight for honor.

We know that Omni-man was likely the reason for the Anonymous call, and it would make sense that he'd want Battle Beast to kill at least one of the strongest ones, since that would then provide an alternate suspect to who could kill the guardians. But Omni-man was watching from the beginning, and we just assumed he didn't say or do anything other than make that call.

It would also explain why Omni-man just watches as Battle Beast nearly kills Mark, but not actually kills him. Everyone acts like Omni-man would just stand aside because he couldn't beat Battle Beast, but at no point before or after this does Nolan just watch someone nearly kill Mark. I think he just talked to Battle Beast into just beating him up, and that's why BB tells him "killing you is an act of mercy."

He was both talking shit and also knew the real train that was coming towards the man, and that's just the beginning.

There are three specific points in Mark's life that primarily make him a good person with his powers. Him getting his powers at the time he did, Omniman's willingness to train him, and Debbie keeping him grounded.

The series establishes that Mark got his powers really late, but we actually don't know when Viltrumites get their powers. Omniman mentions that even the latest Viltrumites get their powers at 18, but that doesn't necessarily mean that all Viltrumites get their powers at 18, just that's who is left. We know from Omniman's backstory that his parents essentially jump him on his day of adulthood, so it's entirely possible that all Viltrumites get their powers by the time they become an adult....because none else are allowed to survive. Omniman is just assuming 18 because that's when humans become one on his world. Even the small children have no parents watching them at any point, so it's entirely possible that they are just chucked out and forced to fend for themselves. Mark's powers coming at this point ensured that Omniman established himself on Earth before looking to train him.

Omniman is willing to train him because of his natural drive despite being late. This is referenced by the fact that he was way better at flying than he should have been, and this showed to Omniman that Mark was already on the path to becoming incredibly strong without the need to be forced. This, combined with Mark's love for Omniman's hero image gave Omniman the need to keep up the facade just to see how much Mark can develop before they inevitably have to fight. I don't think we see any Viltrumites training, they are just expected to develop on their own because they are forced to. Our Mark may very well be the first one who ever thought they needed to practice instead of just being strong.

Debbie is the person who keeps them all grounded, forcing Omniman to be nicer while keeping Mark grounded. But she's a completely soft target that can die at any point. Mark falling into the street in front of his own house is a really different thing to think about when you consider that he could've fallen into his own house. This would explain why some evil Marks, like Maskvincible, really just want their mom back.

Knowing that our Mark has all three of these things, it's easy to develop theories as to why each variant is individually evil. Seems like Maskvincible just accidentally killed his mom at some point, Omnimark is clearly more buff than the others and might've just believed Omniman and killed him in the fight to prove himself after Omniman trained him too hard, and Sinister Mark might just be the perfect dark mirror of our Mark, who had all of these things and still turned out evil.

I think they're keeping Omnimark around for this reason, he may actually be the strongest variant because he spent all of his time training and never developed a care for others. It's more cool than to have them be background marks with no real personality.

There are infinitely bad marks because there are infinite points of failure in our hero's story. He could've been too weak or too strong for Omniman, never got his powers the right time, had a Mom that was evil or didn't care. Ultimately, our Mark got his powers at the right time, spent the right amount of time loving his Dad, and getting the right amount of love from his mom.

Try to rewatch the story with the idea that every Invincible lived this exact timeline and turned evil at a point in it. It would explain why Aangstrom is so desperate to prove to the world that our Invincible is evil, he just thinks that it's a matter of time just like all the rest of them. All the other inherent good ones have been killed in some way. In fact, we don't see any Invincible variant actually kill Aangstrom, it's entirely possible that he struck up a deal with them to use his multiverse powers for their benefit. That's why they were willing to destroy the world for some new Empire.

But unlike the other Marks, our Mark is.......