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Khadas xPlay Review - Fantastic lapdock, with 1 big caveat

Khadas xPlay Review - Fantastic lapdock, with 1 big caveat

as always, not pro journalists, but we're attempting to be fair, accurate and come at products with mobile computing and DeX specifically in mind.

I reached out to Khadas to see if they'd be interested in providing us with a review unit, and they were quite enthusiastic about the opportunity. As always, no money has changed hands, Khadas has had no input on the review, they'll see it at the same time as everyone else.

Let's begin

The Khadas Mind xPlay

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I stumbled across this interesting lapdock a month ago or so, and was immediately intrigued by the Surface Pro form factor. My main pc and home, as well as my main work PC have been Surface pro's for the last decade or so. I absolutely love the ability to have a full laptop, or tablet, or dock it to make a full desktop, without really giving up any abilities, in all 3 formats.

Alldocube really briefly made a lapdock in this style (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XFeRWr17Vc) but it's really never caught on, for whatever reason

Khadas to the rescue!

I just want to start out by saying that Khadas isn't truly marketing this device as a true Lapdock for DeX/android desktop, but as rather a laptop shell for the line of miniPC's, called Mind

It's very very similar to what Nex is doing, but they've gone with a miniPC format, rather than a phone.

The xPlay however does have 2x USB-C ports on the left side of the chassis.

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The top port is the video in port, while the bottom is used for power in.

The ports have other usage when a MIND is connected, but it's irrelevant to our review

The Screen

The Tablet-esque screen is a 13" 2880x1920 LCD (IPS I believe) screen (3:2 screen ratio). It covers 100% of the sRGB gamut, with 500 nits of brightness, and a 60hz refresh rate. This initial version is NOT a touchscreen however.

Like the surface pro, it has a kickstand at the back, with a very firm hinge, allowing you to set the screen at whatever angle works for you (0-120 degrees)

Up top, there's a power button on the top left, and volume buttons on the top right. Volume buttons interact with the host device.

Size wise, it's pretty identical to a surface pro, 290mm x 200mm x 9.5mm, weighing roughly 820g

On initial boot, the screen will display the current battery level. You'll have to pay attention, as thats unfortunately the only way you can see power level of the lapdock. This is due to it being intended to be integrated with the MIND. There's also no kind of OSD, or any way to adjust the display. Luckily, the screen is beautiful out of the box, and I didn't feel the need to make any changes to it, at all.

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Like the surface pro line, the keyboard is a magnetic attachment, with connection made via pogo pins in the bottom. Folding the keyboard up also magnets shut, and puts the lapdock to sleep/off.

The monitor/tablet has 2x 2w speakers built in, and they're legitimately the best lapdock speakers out there. They sound VERY similar to my surface pro. You absolutely do not NEED headphones with this unit!

It does have a 2mp webcam built in, but DeX will not use it. I was pleasantly surprised that my Surface (win11) was happy to use it, labeling it as USB Camera.

Like the surface, a white LED pops on to let you know the camera is active. The image isn't going to blow your socks off, but it's just fine for Teams or whatever.

Battery

While you can't easily see battery levels from DeX/Steam/external device, it does contain a 4150 mAh (11.5v) battery. This equates to an almost 50Wh battery, very very similar to nexdock and uperfect offerings (bigger battery actually)

Khadas claims 3+ hours of demanding multitasking sessions, but this is with their miniPC MIND connected. I've gotten much closer to 6 hours with DeX usage, and not run it dead yet.

One of the main drawbacks of this not being a true lapdock, it doesn't do any kind of PD, or reverse charging. I've generally always turned off that feature on all my lapdocks, but there's been times where I was using everything plugged in, and wanted to keep my more power hungry steam deck mostly charged...

Sadly that's not currently an option with initial version (again, this was never really intended to be used aside from the MIND)

s21 ultra with xPlay

Here's my s21 ultra connected to the xPlay. Boots up right away, and everything mostly works. Resolution wise, DeX does NOT support 3:2 (ADB can solve that) but it did grab 2560x1600 (16:10) and actually looks pretty good. I did use LADB on the s21u to force the proper resolution, but because I use so many different lapdocks/monitors, I just reverted to the basics.

DeX doesn't do 3:2, but 16:10 looks good

The Khadas xPlay also does not have any artificial restrictions on the number of apps you can open either

https://preview.redd.it/1ti22tz37y1h1.jpg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca305feab04e84d615d79ce631e5040ad28a9a95

That's 7 open, and I'd wager I could get the full 20 np

I tested several other portable devices as well:

steam deck pairs nicely

Steam Deck was happy to do 2880x1920 in gaming mode, as well as desktop mode.

https://preview.redd.it/ldop42ae7y1h1.jpg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6aaa383380b81d9a8848a994adb965e7dafa7a1f

https://preview.redd.it/dqxl8urf7y1h1.jpg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca46be85d26c6e0774640ef57aed046bb48eed82

My new Lenovo Legion y700 (in the legion g9 controller case) running android 15, was happy to do Projection mode (they're version of DeX). Like DeX you get a complete 2nd desktop, which was happy to negotiate 2880x1920 (it can actually do 144hz external)

https://preview.redd.it/lbtfhhnn7y1h1.jpg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8e90ac82c2191995c0e829d5484b6d37645b5c90

And then the obvious pairing:

https://preview.redd.it/u9py3kxs7y1h1.jpg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58f9d8a31291e4c20e07cfc64f18d1b9750285b7

Surface Pro 8

https://preview.redd.it/5z9tu5sv7y1h1.jpg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd0a5304ffb83623fd434fa2c614985f11f700ad

The elephant in the room here, it won't talk to my s25.

Samsung was able to confirm to me earlier in the week, that with the SoC change from the SD8 to SD8 Elite, they're enforcing more strict DP Alt Mode, and PD protocols. And because the Khadas xPlay was never really intended to be used this way, it's fallen victim to the change. Is it possible a firmware update could fix it? Not sure. I suspect there's some hardware pathway stuff that would prevent a simple patch update, but we will have discussions going forward

The Keyboard

Keyboard is fairly similar to the Surface Pro, as it's a magnetic attachment, and folds up flat against the screen to act like a shut off, and screen protector when carrying. It lies flat on the desk tho, it doesn't have the 2nd bend to give it a bit of angle like the surface keyboard.

That being said, it's still a very decent keyboard. The keys have smooth travel, if a bit shallow, but good tactile response. The function row defaults to media keys however, and there doesn't seem to be a way Fn Lock. Bit of a downer for excel warriors.

There's also no backlight to the keyboard. It is what I'd call a full size 79 key keyboard, no numpad. Very standard/familiar layout, and I had no issues maintaining my ~60wpm typing on it.

Let's talk about the integrated trackpad

holy shit, it's great. video to demonstrate true palm rejection

true palm rejection on windows

and it seems to work on android too!

android palm rejection

so yeah, the trackpad is great. 2 and 3 finger gestures seem to work. Using 2 finger swipe to do back/forward was great

Overall Conclusion

I love the Surface Pro form factor, so this really scores big points with me. It worked very well with every device I own, except for the s25.... And that's a bit of a problem going forward. I suspect every 8Elite bearing device is going to have issues, not just Samsung devices....

This devices is 100% intended to be used with a MIND miniPC, but it does function 95% with most other usb-c video out devices

I am really a big fan of this device, but time will tell which lapdock ends up my go to. It's starting to show it's age a bit, but the nexdock 360w still continues to be my most used lapdock, followed closely by the XL and uperfect 15.6 (i can almost not tell them apart)

Its currently available from Khadas.com for $399 usd

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u/DeX_Mod — 3 days ago

Samsung confirmed to me today that launching DeX on s25 (and newer) is slightly different from previous generations

the s25 enforces stricter rules for DeX activation:

it requires full DisplayPort Alt Mode negotiation (newer than s24 series)

demands a higher Power Delibery (PD) profile before allowing video output. (he says some devices only provide basic profile, which now prevents DeX from starting)

startup process is tied to Knox, meaning if the dock doesn't present proper USB descriptors, Dex will not initialize

reading between the lines, I assume this is related to moving to the 8 Elite SoC

the solution, at this point, seems to be to get the lapdock/monitor manufacturors to make the changes... jeje?

he made some minor noise about perhaps Samsung can find a way to fix the "issue" but I am absolutely not going to hold my breath on this one

it definitely explains why we've seen a rise in people suddenly having issues with new phones not working with previously established working setups (asus monitors, i'm looking at you)

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u/DeX_Mod — 5 days ago
▲ 2 r/PSPlay

Having issues with button mapping, legion g9

Have been using pxplay for years now. Its been fantastic

0 issues when using with my phones (s10, s21, s25) + razer kishi

Has been pretty fantastic with the steam deck.

I'm at a bit of a loss as to why I can't quite get full functionality with my y700 gen3 + g9 controller

The major stuff works fine. Both analog sticks, dpad, face buttons, l1,l2,r1,r2, l3, r3. Options/share all work perfect

But for whatever reason, I'm having a bitch of a time getting the touchpad to work.

I cant get it to register as the touchscreen, at all

Nor can I seem to map the PS button to the menu button, or any of the 4 back buttons

The button tester app for the controller shows all the buttons work

But for whatever reason, I'm having issues

Any ideas?

Y700 is currently running android 15

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u/DeX_Mod — 6 days ago

oneui8.5 multi desktops. your experience?

So, just fiddling, and so far, really unimpressed. it's still early days, and new to me/us, but how is everyone using this?

or perhaps, is anyone actually using it?

I'm finding it super unintuitive (and I say this as an old sunOS guy, who's been doing x windows, and multiple desktops since the 90's....)

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u/DeX_Mod — 8 days ago

Comparing batteries, just the basics

For whatever reason, a big chunk of YouTube reviewers always gloss over the basics of battery capacities

Im assuming they just read the glossy ads, and report the mAh numbers and then compare those between devices

The issue is that you can't directly compare 2 batteries only on mAh.

Aka a 10,000 mAh vs 5000mAh battery is a meaningless comparison without knowing what voltage each battery is rated at.

Its like saying my car, which goes 80, is faster than your truck which goes 60

First glance, it seems obvious that 80>60

But if it's 80kph vs 60mph (60mph = ~100kph) you see what I mean...

So for batteries, you need to know capacity (mAh) and the voltage.

Combining those 2 together gives you watt hours (wh) which is a single measurement yiu can use to compare batteries

Real life example

Nexdock typically uses 5000 to 5800 mAh, 7.4v batteries

Uperfect typically uses 10800mAh, 3.6v batteries

Almost all ads only ever reference the 10800 number tho

Doing math you get: nexdock 5800mAh x 7.4v = almost 43 wh battery

Uperfect 10800mAh x 3.6 = almost 39 wh

https://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/mah-to-wh-calculator.html

Simple calculator to reference

Long and short, when comparing portable monitor batteries, or lapdocks, understand that wh is true measurement of the battery for comparisons

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u/DeX_Mod — 9 days ago

Khadas has sent their xPlay "lapdock" for evaluation. This might be the premium quality lapdock we've been after... review to follow after this week

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u/DeX_Mod — 10 days ago

Just re-watched Avenger 2.0 (s07e09) and I loved the easter egg of...

Felger packing for his away mission, and the camera focusing on him packing rolls of duct tape lol

it's the little things like that, that make Stargate so special for me. I love all the 4th wall stuff, and how they take essentially a throw away episode, and turn it into a part of a larger story arc (Neruse and ba'al bigger parts later)

I love this show so much

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u/DeX_Mod — 12 days ago

coming from a Samsung DeX mindframe here, since both are android I kinda assumed that there would be more....similarities in how their desktop mode worked

I'm at a loss as to how I add an app shortcut to the extended desktop? On the tab itself, you just open the app drawer, click+hold, and drag the app out. Works fine on the tab, but doesn't work at all on the external monitor.

Also, how the heck do you minimize an app? Can you even do it?

The 3 dot menu just lets you full screen, go back to phone size/shaped window, or seemingly close the app.

Am I just hoping for too much?

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u/DeX_Mod — 24 days ago

Com coming from a Samsung DeX mindframe here, since both are android I kinda assumed that there would be more....similarities in how their desktop mode worked

I'm at a loss as to how I add an app shortcut to the extended desktop? On the tab itself, you just open the app drawer, click+hold, and drag the app out. Works fine on the tab, but doesn't work at all on the external monitor.

Also, how the heck do you minimize an app? Can you even do it?

The 3 dot menu just lets you full screen, go back to phone size/shaped window, or seemingly close the app.

Am I just hoping for too much?

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u/DeX_Mod — 24 days ago