How do you know when you've finished integrating?

Or do you just wait 2 days and hope for the best and learn by trial and error if it was too soon?

Edited to add: and should integration feel like anything in particular? Did my first proper session yesterday. Felt a little sad in the evening but that was easily attributable to something that had happened in the day, and today I've felt entirely the same as normal

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u/DueCauliflower3889 — 3 days ago

How to rest while doing this?

The wiki instructions sound like all tremoring should happen while in the position of lying on your back either in butterfly pose or with your knees together and up. I do feel tremoring in these positions but the wiki says once the tremors start, just relax, and I don't feel like I can relax into those positions. I want to lay my legs flat, but if I do that, the tremors stop. Am I doing something wrong here?

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u/DueCauliflower3889 — 4 days ago

Tremors vs muscle shaking with fatigue?

V new to this! When in the butterfly pose my legs definitely do start shaking, I would definitely describe this as a tremor feeling, but also associate it with muscles just shaking because they're in a fatiguing position, same as if you held your arms out straight holding heavy weights for a prolonged time and they start getting wobbly. Is this the right thing, or are the tremors something different?

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u/DueCauliflower3889 — 4 days ago

Newbie with questions!

I've recently come across this, and having read through all the welcome info, I'm really keen to give TRE a go but have a few questions.

For context if helpful: no severe historic trauma. A few months ago, after the ending of a several-years chronically stressful/volatile friendship, I developed physical nerve sensations, physical sensitivity, and pains, all of which which caused sleep deprivation, and I developed complete physical and mental exhaustion, isolated muscle spasms, along with general anxiety I'd never had before and a strong awareness that my nervous system has got stuck on high alert. For the last few weeks I've been on an SSRI and in trauma-based psychodynamic therapy, and tried various sleep meds. Mostly thanks to sleep (somewhat) improving, I'm a lot better than I was, and I'm now mostly returned to work after a couple of months off. Sleep though is still very restless, I still have a lot of muscle tension in my legs and hips, and while I don't feel 'anxious' anymore, my body definitely still feels a bit on edge, especially first thing. I'm also often aware, again usually first thing, that it feels like something needs to spasm out of my body, specifically my legs, and that I need to cry, which I generally do easily, but haven't, about this.

My Qs are...

  1. Why not just stop after the first phase seems to bring some success? The About page says '... the results of releasing them are often immediate and encouraging. Anxiety decreases. Sleep improves. There's a general quality of lightness and ease that can feel almost miraculous after years of carrying chronic tension. This phase naturally generates enthusiasm and confidence in the practice.'
  2. This sounds super appealing and I'd be quite happy to stop there! Why carry on?
  3. Some of the About info references not practising while you're already not that settled. I'm certainly not in a terrible place, and emotionally feel mostly normal, but my sleep is light and disrupted, and my system is definitely still a bit on edge. If TRE is supposed to help with these things, how do you balance that with not doing them while your system is unsettled? Am I ok to give it a go?
  4. It suggests starting with 15 minutes. Does this mean 15 mins overall, or do the warmup exercises and then allow tremoring for 15 mins? If tremors show up before the end of the warm up exercises, do you just get on the floor and move to that stage?
  5. I understand that once you've practised more, it takes less warm up. What does that look like in practice - you just lie down and start tremoring? What's to stop that just happening every time you lie down and relax? Or do you still do something to trigger it?
  6. I've done a lot of yoga the last few weeks but really struggle with the butterfly pose despite general decent fitness and flexibility. It feels so uncomfortable in my thighs that I always have to stop it way before the person in the video does. I suspect this because I'm carrying so much tension there, and I do think it's eased a little lately with somatic exercises targeting the hips and psoas, but any tips for making this easier?!

Any other tips not covered in the about page are welcome - also if you have any video recommendations that are good to follow along with

Thanks in advance!

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u/DueCauliflower3889 — 6 days ago

Can you run with really tense legs/back?

Nervous system been stuck on high alert the last few months and I've noticed my body carrying loads of tension, particularly legs and back, and had some corresponding hip and back pain. Had plenty of massages and doing progressive relaxation etc but I just seem to tense up again immediately.

I used to run a few times a week and haven't since this started because ​​​​of various physical symptoms, and then exhaustion from a big lack of sleep. But I'm desperate to get back into running, and think it would be a helpful anxiety thing. I'm unsure whether all the tension in my legs/hips/back means this would be unwise. I don't think I actually have any injury (nor do physios/GPs) but it does sort of feel at times like I'm injured in my hip and knee from all the tension. Would running make things worse, or could it help?

I might try something lighter like swimming, though not really a fan, and I'm doing lots of gentle yoga/walking, and waiting for therapy and meds to both kick in and help bring the overall alertness down! ​​

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u/DueCauliflower3889 — 12 days ago

How do I sleep while my system's on high alert?

The last few months I've had a dysregulated nervous system following the end of a several years chronically stressful relationship. Developed anxiety that'd I'd never had before, and various physical symptoms. SSRIs are helping and I don't really feel 'anxiety' anymore, but aware my body is still very on edge, and my muscles, particularly back and legs, and constantly completely tense.

Day to day, I feel a lot better than a month or two ago, ​​​​​​anxiety-wise, but I'm just so deeply exhausted. I haven't had a proper night's sleep in a few months, initially because of the physical symptoms and racing mind, but now even though I feel consciously calmer and so, so sleepy, I'm so restless all night. I'm on my third sleeping medication and they've made almost no difference. I suspect I won't sleep properly until my nervous system believes it's safe and chills out, but I don't know how to get it to do that. I'm doing all the things like sensible bedtime routine, self care, deep breathing, somatic meditations, yoga, trauma therapy... But I just can't get good rest. I guess it might be a case of waiting for my current SSRI to take better effect (still pretty new on it) but any other tips particularly around getting your mind and body to be OK to sleep? ​​​​​​​​​​

(only just discovered this sub, sorry if not quite the right place! Looking forward to devouring all the posts here and in related subs!) ​

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u/DueCauliflower3889 — 13 days ago
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Unable to yawn

I'm 3 months post botox and since the procedure, really struggle to get a full yawn out. I think this might've happened with my first two rounds too (this is round 3) but this summer I've also (unrelated) been particularly sleep deprived, so my body is trying to yawn all the time, but mostly I feel like I can't complete the yawn. I assume this'll wear off in the coming weeks/months but it's fairly frustrating - has anyone else had this and any tips?! ​

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u/DueCauliflower3889 — 13 days ago
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Stomach pains when deflating?

I'm 3 weeks post botox and starting to (very slowly) get reduced bloating. In the last few days I've had some new pains on and off in various parts of my abdomen. I had a similar thing briefly a while back and GP checked it out and wasn't worried. It's now happening again.

I would've hoped bloat reduction led to less pain, not more. It is plausible that my organs are shifting back into more normal positions and there's a bit of adjustment pain or just gas pain in new places in the transition..? ​​​​​​​​​​​​

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u/DueCauliflower3889 — 3 months ago
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Can you just turn up to volunteer?

I responded this morning to our email asking for volunteers to see if I could get involved tomorrow if it's not too late. It would be my first time volunteering. It's now Friday night and haven't heard anything back, and wondered if it's something that has to be booked in/anything I have to do in advance, or if I just turn up tomorrow would they find me something to do? Injured so can't run but would love to still get involved!

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u/DueCauliflower3889 — 3 months ago
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I had 100u botox three months ago that's been partially effective but not properly. The effect feels maaaybe a little weaker lately but broadly pretty stable over the last month. Tomorrow I'm having another round (hoping for another 100u) which I booked early on, to secure the appointment, when it was apparent this one was probably not doing enough.

I know the first one should be wearing off pretty soon, but assuming side effects might be more pronounced in the meantime. ​​​​But also hoping two active windows back to back will help give my body a better chance to figure it out.

Has anyone else had a second dose when the first was still a bit active? Love to hear your experience if so!

For context if helpful, I had 50u last year that did nothing at all. All in office. And I haven't postponed tomorrow's because the timing was perfect around life events and being back to back, and it would've been a much longer wait for the next appt​​​

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u/DueCauliflower3889 — 4 months ago
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I'm constantly bloated (obv) but curious about where the air is in my anatomy. My whole abdomen feels equally solid/pregnancy-resembling but I know my stomach is only on one side. Has the air expanded my stomach to fill both sides? Is it expanding other parts of my gut like my intestines? Has it somehow leaked out and is filling up spaces between organs too (in which case is it possible to ever burp that bit out post-treatment?)? Something else?

If other organs have expanded to take in more air, will they shrink back to normal once the botox works? Bring on round 3 next week!​

Feels like a stupid question but I can't work it out 😅 thanks! ​​

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u/DueCauliflower3889 — 4 months ago