u/EarlyRooster966

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5x3: Why did Cam say that?

It's so funny that she apologized to Arastoo because he had to touch a pig??? i'm a muslim and there's nothing forbidden about touching pigs lol we just don't eat them. Reminds me of those Islamophobes who would try to taunt Muslims online w pork like its our cryptonite or smth. Anyways who tf taught this show Islam? Cause we don't pray every 5 minutes we pray 5 times a day, one before sunrise, one at noon, one like 4 hours after noon, one before sunset and one at night, so why is Arastoo praying 24/7 to the point where Cam is bothered by it. If they work a 9-5 like most people then he'd likely only have to pray twice at work. Why is everyone acting like he prays every hour?

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u/EarlyRooster966 — 1 day ago

Which translation of the odyssey should i read?

I'm a 19yo reader and I've always been fascinated by the odyssey and had it on my classics TBR for so long but was recently inclined to read it because of the upcoming Nolan adaptation and the discourse around it and i'd like to be included in that discussion and fully grasp what people are upset about, however I'm still unsure which version should I read.

I've already watched summaries of the iliad as i've heard it would help me understand the odyssey better and i'm thinking of reading the actual book if i like the odyssey.

more about my background, i've read multiple classics before, sometimes in school (to kill a mockingbird, frankenstein, 1984, animal farm..etc) and sometimes for pleasure. my favorite is pride and prejudice, i read a simplified version of it first (i was like 13) and then read the actual text (15), i didn't find it too complicated and went on to read the original text of persuasion and adored it as well. english isn't my first language but i understand it pretty well from music, books and tv shows so i'd like to challenge myself by reading more 'complicated' works. i hope this gives a comprehensive background of my level.

now here are the versions i'm aware of:

- dr emily wilson: modern, more 'simplistic' to the point where some critics heavily dislike it and think it undermines the orginal text. i do like that it's said to be undermining the misogyny in the text tho. i'm not too keen on reading women being described as wh*res pretty often (ik that from social media but feel free to correct me if that's untrue).

- robert fagles: his is pretty popular from what i read online but i downloaded an epub version of it and the lines are numbered and it kinda annoys me😭 i'm open to reading it still but i want to know if it's worth it? i read the first like 4 pages and i sitll understand the translation even if i'm kind of annoyed by the numbered lines.

- hammond: he writes it in paragraph which i'm not really interested in as i wanna read a close version to the original text and i'd prefer to read it in the actual format.

which do you think i could read? i'm well aware that there are other translations however these are the most popular i could find online.

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u/EarlyRooster966 — 1 month ago

I can't even express my disappointment on this.

Hi, for context I'm an egyptian 19F and I took islamic lessons since i was young till around the time i hit 14-15 years old with a sheikh i really admired, and throughout our lessons he would mention Zakir Naik, a da'iyah with a youtube channel and he would recommend us to watch him. I followed the recommendation and watched a lot of his debates and admired his way of convincing non-muslims that Islam is the right religion, so I subscribed to his channel and whenever I'd get a notification that he uploaded something I would sometimes go to watch it.

Today, when I was scrolling on Reels I saw a niqabi woman talking about how he said that women who are unmarried at an 'older' age are either 'public property' or will marry a man who already has a wife, I was horrified at the 'public property' comment and was like 'no he'd never say that' so I looked it up and it's actually true, i watched the full clip on his official channel (yes i checked, and here's the full clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTu5tAg14Mg ) and the comments actually horrified me.

As far as I know (my mom took Islamic courses at Al-Azhar University so she has extensive knowledge in Islam), marriage is not obligatory and is only sunnah, it becomes obligatory when you cannot control your urges and are about to commit zinah, and I also know about قصف المحصنات (for non arabic speakers, the shaming of an honorable woman about her honor, or accusing her of being dishonorable) and how grave of a sin it is, so my question is, isn't he, as a knowledgeable Muslim who debates non muslims all the time and has immense popularity (4 million Youtube subscribers btw) supposed to know better than to make that sort of comment? and the men in the audience clapping when they hear him say that? Do they not have sisters or daughter who are unmarried?

Being unmarried isn't a sin (again unless you fear of committing zina then you should get married) and marriage, after all, is rizq (or ibtelaa' we never really know), not every woman will get married and they shouldn't if they don't want to (let me remind yall that marriage without one of the parties' consent is considered to be invalid and a woman's consent is essential in order for a marriage to take place), it doesn't mean that an unmarried woman will actually commit zina. that is such a weird generalization and if i'm being honest, a crazy reach. what also bothers me is that he'd never say that about a man. for some weird reason, some scholars only like to talk about women committing zina as if it's the biggest crime ever (it is a grave sin) but say nothing about men committing zina, even when Allah gave both genders the same punishment and didn't differentiate between them. I know my religion better than this and Islam is innocent from this kind of sexism.

What also concerns me is the comments from non-muslims on this, nowadays people (especially westerners) are starting to discover islam more and more and a lot of them are thinking of reverting (islam is actually the fastest growing religion as far as i know), I'd hate to see a woman who's thinking of reverting but decides not to because of a clip like this. Keep in mind that as I said, this man has a huge platform and is recommended by tons of sheikhs and Muslims. If I were thinking of reverting and saw a well known Islamic da'iyah speaking like this, I'd definitely decide against it, especially with the insane amount of applause this commentary got from the audience.

Thank you, may Allah guide us all.

u/EarlyRooster966 — 3 months ago