Unpopular opinion: Project Zero Dawn was unethical and indefensible

The more I replay this game (which I do often), the more unsettling the entire premise becomes to me. The first few times I played I didn’t really get all the characters saying how awful it was, but I think collecting the data and realizing the whole scope of it all has slowly changed my mind. I’ve seen this discussed a time or two here, and most people defending it (which is also most people) argue that whether or not it was ethical or moral or any of that doesn’t matter, because it was the only possible way for life and/or humanity to survive and have a future, and because the only alternative was extinction.

My problem with that is the entire argument depends upon the underlying assumption that “life,” whatever form that takes, is inherently better than no life. Existence of organic beings, and humans specifically, is inherently good, and that the existence of humanity is not just neutral but inherently better than the lack of existence, and therefore worth any cost.

But why? If no life exists, would that be inherently bad? There are endless planets in the universe or even a few rare habitats on earth where no biological life exists, and that’s not good or bad or moral or immoral - it just is. The mere existence of life, or the lack of it, doesn’t have an inherent value. It is amoral.

So if we don’t just assume out of hand that “life” > “no life” and therefore is worth whatever it takes to preserve or maintain, it really becomes a pretty horrible thing. Yes, everyone was going to die either way. That’s true in real life too. The most any of us can hope for is to die on our own terms, and that’s what PZD denied the existing humans. How many of those soldiers, if given the choice, would have chosen to die fighting an unwinnable war over being with their families? How many of those families (like the wife we hear recordings from at USRC) would have rather died with their loved ones instead of alone? How many people might have preferred the route of the betas we learn about in Aloy’s childhood ruins, if given the chance to make an informed decision?

Worst case scenario in current-day: they suffer and die horribly for a lie, whereas the worst case for the future humans we meet in the game is just…nonexistence. Not suffering, because you can’t suffer if you never exist in the first place - just not existing at all. Denying agency and increasing suffering of existing humans is not better or preferable to the non-existence of hypothetical future humans.

*To clarify, while I find the entire thing wholly immoral and indefensible, I also have a lot of empathy for the people involved. The concept of extinction is probably unfathomable for most people, especially when it’s imminent and not just hypothetical, and I can’t pretend to understand what facing it must feel like. I don’t want to judge them too harshly as individuals. I mean this mostly as a discussion of the overarching concept and not to excoriate the actual (fictional) people.

Except Ted Faro. Fuck Ted Faro.

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u/East-Initial9066 — 3 days ago
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How old is this baby Sandhill crane?

I got to watch our resident sandhill cranes out and about with their new baby a little while ago. Roughly how old do you think this little guy is in this photo?

u/East-Initial9066 — 6 days ago

Can someone please ID

I just need to know what material these are so I can maintain them. I know nothing about countertops. Thank you in advance.

u/East-Initial9066 — 10 days ago

Does anyone else’s GSD decide they’re afraid of something new every few months?

In Jan or Feb this year, on a trail we’d done at least a half dozen times before, she decided the boardwalk at the beginning part of the trail was the scariest thing she’d ever seen in her life. I had to physically carry her over it before she would continue the walk, and again on the way back, like a big 65lb baby. She’s mostly over it now.

Not too long ago it was getting into the car. Not getting out or actually being in it, but the act of getting in would give her so much anxiety, no matter how excited she had been just a minute before. We’re mostly over that now too.

Today, she is now afraid of the laundry room. I am 99% sure that absolutely nothing traumatizing has happened in the laundry room between yesterday and today, and that she’s just a weirdo.

Anyone else?

u/East-Initial9066 — 14 days ago
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Disappearing comments/replies (iOS)

Occasionally I get an in-app and email notification about someone replying to me, but when I follow the link it isn’t there. I would think they deleted it, or it was deleted by a mod/automod, but usually when that happens there’s a placeholder that says “comment was deleted” or something like that, and when this happens there’s nothing. Or I would assume they blocked me, but generally I can still see their posts and other activity on the thread, and when I go to that post from another account or logged out entirely, it’s also not there, so it’s not just my account. I’m on iOS mobile app but I’ve verified this in the web browser as well. In this most recent example, I got the mail around 10pm last night, but when I go to the email even now it says “[user] replied to your comment 0s ago” so it seems like it’s glitched or something, but it happens more often than I’d expect from a glitch. It tends to happen most with comments that seem to be somewhat heated, which is why I suspected a block or an automod.

Anyone know why that happens?

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u/East-Initial9066 — 22 days ago