Michael and His Habit of Kissing Women and Children Without Consent
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Michael and His Habit of Kissing Women and Children Without Consent

This ruins the idea that he was humble, I think this is actually a display of Narcississm. He thought societal rules didn't apply to him. I know that Chilli (the singer in the video) and his fans don't mind but It shows how big of an ego he had that he felt it was fine for him to go up and kiss people. And this 100% goes for him kissing children on the cheek or sitting them on his lap all the time, in fact he did this whenever a child was in his vicinity. They still have bodily autonomy.

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u/Efficient-Head-7394 — 5 days ago

Michael's Borderline Stalker Obsession with Diana Ross

Michael had an extreme one sided love for her, he genuinely thought that they were in love and at one point dating. However it seemed like Diana loved him like a son, weirdly Michael would describe her as "a mother, a sister, and a lover all rolled into one" on multiple occasions. I read somewhere that Katherine was hurt because when Michael was younger he would call Diana mama. I really wonder what it was about her that made him so obsessed, he never let her go. He dedicated "remember the time" to her, thanked her on the HIStory album and wanted her to take care of his kids in his will (if his mother was unable to do so) when his kids barely knew her.

u/Efficient-Head-7394 — 7 days ago

How can his fans find this inappropriate but not 45 Year old Michael sleeping in beds with children?

Most of the comments are saying how uncomfortable and weird this is and that Joe is to blame, but this is just innocent fun. This couldn't happen today but there's nothing inherently inappropriate about this. Maybe a little cringe but it's definitely not as weird as a middle aged man being best friends with children and having sleepovers.

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u/Efficient-Head-7394 — 8 days ago

Bobby Taylor admits to watching a young Michael Jackson taking showers in the bathroom

I did a deep dive into this guy and he said a lot weird things about his relationship with young Michael. There are videos where he admits to sleeping in the same bed together, in one he says it was just the both of them but in another he says his wife was also there. There's another clip where he talks about his first time seeing the Jackson 5 perform (he discovered them), he asked to send Michael up to his dressing alone. He admits to spending alot of time with him, at some point he said they spent 10 days straight together and the only time Michael left his side was when Bobby had to go perform , but in between Michael would always sleep in his lap. They stayed close his entire life, Michael apparently called him a few days before he died.

This is a side not but I found an article where Bobby claimed he had to pull a gun out on Joe Jackson to stop his interference with the kids. That man was far far more horrible than the biopic portrayed.

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u/Efficient-Head-7394 — 15 days ago
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When MJ fans say no one would ever love their sexual abuser, show them this clip of how La Toya speaks to her father who sexually abused her

u/-glowtree — 16 days ago

What are your thoughts on Michael and Tatiana Thumbtzen's on stage kiss?

When I originally saw this video I thought it was cute and that they were an actual couple. I was surprised to find out Michael fired her immediately afterwards without even seeing her. At the end of the day, she was fired because she was given the rule to absolutely not kiss Michael and she broke it. However, I still find it strange that a man who sang such sexual lyrics and had very provocative dance routines would be so opposed to a little kiss. It's contradictory because he would hug and kiss children without their permission constantly. I guess this is another example of his uncomfortablilty around adult women.

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u/Efficient-Head-7394 — 26 days ago

It's hard to believe that such a handsome young man could be a child predator

There's speculation that Michael had already started preying on children by off the wall but my mind can't comprehend it. He was the exact opposite of what comes to mind when you think of a pedophile. He was a blossoming sex symbol. Why would a man who could sleep with any man or woman he wanted go for children? This is just one of the many reasons it's hard for people to accept he was a pedophile.

*MJ defenders, all comments trying to change my stance will be removed as spam

Edit - "Why would a man who could sleep with any man or woman why would he go for children?" Everyone keeps thinking I'm asking that as a serious question, its rhetorical. Its for discussion purposes. He went after children because he was attracted to them regardless of adults who find him attractive. You don't have to explain it to me.

u/Efficient-Head-7394 — 28 days ago
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Michael subtly admitting to wanting to kill himself as a child

In 2002 Michael was planning on adapting Jennings Michael Burch's book "They Cage the Animals at Night" into a film , however it never came to fruition. The book is an autobiography of the author and tells the story of his childhood detailing his experiences in foster care. Michael is actually the one interviewing him, at the 1 minute mark Michael asks him if he ever in childhood think that it just wasn't worth it and if he tried to commit suicide. Jennings says "definitely", as Jennings continues talking Michael meekly says "I can relate to it". It's sad that he can say that so nonchalantly, like he's numb to it. I do think it's worth noting that he may been on some sort of downers here.

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u/Efficient-Head-7394 — 1 month ago

Do you think by "Thriller" his destiny was set in stone?

I think after Thriller took off, his ego went into the stratosphere, and from then on, no one could tell him anything. That's when his possible narcissistic and messiah complex tendencies really started to show. He created that crazy manifesto where he proclaimed he would leave the old Michael behind, become a "king," sell 1 billion records, bring all the races together, and become a mysterious, elusive figure. It sounded very manic.

As someone who believes he was a pedophile, I also think he started publicly acting strangely with little boys—like taking Emmanuel Lewis everywhere and constantly sitting him on his lap. He seemed to feel like he could do anything. He had tons of mental issues, but I don't think he could be helped after this point in his life. Joe might have been the only person who could ever "control" him, which isn't a good thing. After growing up in such a controlling, abusive environment, it seems like he only wanted yes-men around him.

u/Efficient-Head-7394 — 1 month ago

The "In The Closet" bts shows how immature he was when it comes to women

I know it's common to debate about whether he was or was not attracted to women. Personally i think he was but he was intimidated by them and immature. In this bts with Naomi Cambell he comes off as so childish everytime she touched him he was giggling and laughing like a kid. According to many, including Naomi he was "scared" of her and uncomfortable with her getting too handsy. He was 33 years old at this point yet so awkward with women.

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u/Efficient-Head-7394 — 1 month ago

He never tried to hide his obsession with kids, even as a teenager

This video is clipped, there's a longer version that shows Michael ignoring everyone else and placing all his attention on the child

Michael had to be at most 16 here. I'm sure at this point he realized he was a pedophile, you would think he would try to supress being weird and pretend to be normal but he either lacked self awareness or just didn't care.

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u/Efficient-Head-7394 — 1 month ago

Former fans, were you shocked at just how mentally ill he was?

It was already shocking enough to realize he was a pedophile, but the more I went down the rabbit hole, the more flabbergasted I became at how many issues he had. Besides the pedophilia, he was possibly a pathological liar, showed narcissistic tendencies, was a self-hater, was a drug addict and alcoholic, extremely manipulative, and much more. He just had so many issues. He was a very disturbed person. He was an evil person, and if there's a hell, he burns in it. But I can't help but feel bad for him because what happened to him as a child for him to end up this way?

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u/Efficient-Head-7394 — 1 month ago
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Was Katherine a victim ?

I know a lot of people put a lot of blame on Katherine Jackson. I know Latoya was mad that her mother didn't help her and do anything for her. And I see a lot of people here saying that she knew about Michael and she didn't do anything. A lot of people feel like she should have helped her children more when he came to abuse. But I know Latoya also said that Michael said he saw Joe abusing her but she said she never witnessed it. What do you guys think is Katherine also a victim of joe? Do you think she was too scared to speak out against him? Especially a mother in the 1950s and early sixties.

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u/Efficient-Head-7394 — 1 month ago
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LaToya Jackson developed ulcers from Joe Jackson sexually abusing her. She seems to touch on the sexual abuse lightly in her 1991 memoir [swipe to see].

u/Adventurous-Gift7289 — 1 month ago

In the 2000s he started turning his attention to little girls

In the 2000s he stopped being weird with little boys, at least publicly and started turning his attention to girls. I guess he had a small sense self awareness and thought continuing to hang out with boys made him look bad. If he was like this with little girls back in the 80s, his career would have been over as quickly as it started.

u/Efficient-Head-7394 — 1 month ago

As a Black person, I didn't realize how many people believed Michael Jackson was a pedophile

As a Black person, I didn't realize how many people believed Michael Jackson was a pedophile. After seeing the biopic for a second time with my white friend, she turned to me and asked, "Why does everyone hate him?" It caught me off guard because I had always assumed most people loved him and believed he was innocent. I feel like most of the black community has never taken the allegations seriously, he's still a very adored figure in our community.

*After doing research I now believe he is a pedophile*

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u/Efficient-Head-7394 — 1 month ago