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Infinite Punishment for a Finite life is Injustice and contradicts the Quran and reason

Infinite Punishment for a Finite life is Injustice and contradicts the Quran and reason

The popular doctrine of eternal hell, infinite punishment inflicted forever on those who lived a brief, finite life, is a Christian inheritance that entered Islam through hadiths and traditional commentaries. The Quran itself never says hell is eternal. It says the opposite: hell has explicit time limits (ahqab), can be extended (which is impossible for infinity), is bounded by “unless your Lord wills otherwise,” ends with the New Universe, and is meant as corrective experience. Heaven, by contrast, is repeatedly named “a reward that does not end.” Hell is not.

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u/Either_Pianist_9480 — 5 hours ago

The Quran was not preserved the same way like Hadith and Muhammed wrote the Quran in his lifetime

THE QURAN AND HADITH DID NOT REACH US THE SAME WAY. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

The traditional claim is: “If you accept the Quran’s preservation, you must accept hadith’s

preservation, because the same people transmitted both.” This argument collapses on contact with the actual evidence.

THE METHOD WAS DIFFERENT.

The Quran was transmitted VERBATIM, word for word, by hundreds of memorizers, recited publicly every day, with constant community cross-checking. Any deviation by one reciter would be corrected by the others standing beside him.

Hadith was transmitted “riwayah bil ma’ana” (by gist, by meaning), in PRIVATE settings, narrator to narrator, with no audience to verify the transmission. Classical hadith scholars themselves admit that narrators were allowed to paraphrase the Prophet’s words. This is in their own books.

THE TIMING WAS DIFFERENT.

The Quran was compiled BEFORE the Muslim civil wars (656 CE). The Birmingham Quran fragments carbon-date to the Prophet’s actual lifetime. Hadith was compiled between 200 and 300 years AFTER the Prophet, DURING the period of sectarian conflict, factional rivalry, and admitted mass fabrication. The earliest complete carbon-dated manuscript of Sahih Bukhari dates to approximately 450 YEARS after the Prophet.

THE NUMBERS WERE DIFFERENT.

HUNDREDS of Muslims memorized the entire Quran during the Prophet’s lifetime. At the Battle of Yamama, dozens of memorizers died, prompting urgent compilation. There are NO comparable reports about “hadith memorizers.” No deaths of hadith-memorizers at battles. No mass memorization classes. Hadith collections did not exist until 200+ years later, when scholars began traveling to collect scattered reports from individual narrators.

THE OUTCOME PROVES IT.

The Quran: across Sunnis, Shias, Ibadis, Ismailis, Quranists, every sect, the SAME book. Same chapters. Same verses. Same words. Hadith: every sect has its OWN collection. Sunnis follow Bukhari and Muslim. Shia follow Al-kafi and Tahdhib al-Ahkam. Ibadis have their own. Ismailis have their own. They contradict each other on doctrine, law, and history. If hadith were preserved like the Quran, there would be ONE hadith collection. The fact that every sect has a different one is conclusive.

THE FIRST FOUR CALIPHS ACTIVELY SUPPRESSED HADITH.

This is the historical fact most Muslims are never told:

Abu Bakr burned his personal collection of 500 hadiths because he could not verify them all.

Reported by his daughter Aisha.

Umar detained companions for narrating “abundant” hadith, threatened Abu Hurayrah with exile, ordered hadith collections to be burned, and instructed his governors: “Be exclusively devoted to the Qur’an, and diminish the annotations of Muhammad.”

Uthman declared from the pulpit: “It is unlawful for everyone to narrate any hadith he never heard of during the time of Abu Bakr and Umar.”

Ali said in Bukhari 3047: “By Him Who splits the grain, I have nothing except the Quran and the understanding God gives a person.”

Does this sound like a community trying to PRESERVE hadith? They were trying to

SUPPRESS them.

EVEN ZAYD IBN THABIT BARELY APPEARS IN HADITH.

Zayd was the Prophet’s principal scribe, the man who literally wrote down the Quran from

the Prophet’s dictation. He appears in only about 7 hadith chains out of approximately

15,000 in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim combined. The man IN the room while the Quranwas written down was somehow not a major hadith source.

Hafs, the dominant Quran transmitter for 98% of Muslims worldwide, is considered

STRONG in Quran narration but WEAK in hadith narration.

Abu Hurayrah, the most prolific hadith narrator with thousands of reports, is NOT known as

a Quran memorizer or reciter.

These were different communities, working with different methods, with different priorities.

THE PROPHET HIMSELF WROTE DOWN THE QURAN.

The popular image of an illiterate Prophet contradicts the Quran’s own text.

The word “ummi” does NOT mean illiterate. It means “gentile” (non-scriptural). The same

word is used for entire populations in 2:78, 3:20, 3:75, 62:2, which clearly were not all

illiterate. And 44:14 explicitly calls the Prophet mu’allamun (TAUGHT, TUTORED).

The very first revelation centers on the PEN. 96:1-5: “Read in the name of your Sustainer…

Who taught BY THE PEN, taught man what he did not know.”

69:44-45 references his RIGHT HAND: “If he had ascribed his sayings unto Us, We would

certainly have seized him by his RIGHT HAND.” The right hand is the writing hand. This

warning makes no sense if he had no role in writing.

His own enemies accused him of WRITING DOWN dictation. 25:5: “They said: Fictional tales

of old! He WROTE THEM DOWN while they were being dictated to him morning and

evening.” You do not accuse an illiterate person of writing things down.

If the Prophet personally wrote down the Quran during his lifetime, then the entire

foundation of preservation differs from hadith. The text was locked at the moment of

revelation, not reconstructed centuries later from oral fragments.

GOD PROMISED TO PRESERVE THE QURAN, NOT HADITH.

15:9 “Indeed We have sent down the Reminder, and indeed We will preserve it.” The

promise is for THE QURAN, specifically. There is no equivalent verse promising preservation

of hadith.

4:82 “Do they not study the Quran? If it were from any other than God, they would have

found in it many contradictions.” The Quran offers its OWN internal coherence as the test.

Hadith fails this test catastrophically, with thousands of conflicting versions of the sameevents.

2:23, 10:38 “Bring a chapter like it.” A standing challenge that has never been met. Hadith

issues no such challenge.

EVEN MAINSTREAM TRADITIONAL SCHOLARS ADMIT THE

PROBLEM.

Yasir Qadhi, a respected mainstream Sunni scholar, publicly stated: “Nobody in the

academy affirms the Muslim Sunni science of hadith. Nobody. It is considered to be

completely discredited. I’m just being factual.”

This is not coming from a Quranist. This is coming from inside the tradition.

THE BOTTOM LINE.

The Quran was preserved by COLLECTIVE MEMORIZATION, ONGOING PUBLIC

RECITATION, COMMUNITY CROSS-CHECKING, WRITTEN FROM THE PROPHET’S OWN

HAND, COMPILED BEFORE THE CIVIL WARS, AND IS UNIFORM ACROSS ALL SECTS.

Hadith was transmitted by GIST, in PRIVATE, in fragments, by individuals, compiled

CENTURIES LATER, during sectarian conflict, with admitted mass fabrication, with isnad

chains evaluated by human judgment alone, varying between sects, and never claimed by

anyone to have divine preservation.

These are not the same category of text. Treating them as equal is treating a signed legal

document the same as a friend’s summary from memory passed through six people over

200 years.

The argument that the Quran and hadith came through the same people, in the same

way, in the same condition is historically false, manuscript-evidentially false, and

textually false. Not arguably false. FACTUALLY false.

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u/Either_Pianist_9480 — 1 day ago

There is no salat times, WAQT Prayer times contradict the Quran and reason

WAQT (Prayer Timings) Is a Post Quranic Innovation

The Quran never gives a list of prayer times, never names five prayers, and never commands believers to pray at specific hours. Every command to establish salat at the decline of the sun or at dawn is addressed in the singular to the Prophet (aqim), never in the plural to followers (aqimu). The fixed five times a day waqt system is argued to be a later inherited structure rather than something directly prescribed in the Quran. The Quranic understanding presented here is that salat is constant connection, not a stopwatch.

If salat had a fixed number of daily times prescribed by God, why is there disagreement on how many there are?

Some argue for one daily prayer, others two, others three, others four, others five, and some even seven. Different groups claim Quranic support while reading the same text. Meanwhile there is little disagreement over explicit commands such as avoiding shirk, unjust killing, or giving charity because those are directly stated.

Every verse that names prayer timing uses the singular form "aqim" directed toward the Prophet:

17:78

"Establish the salat at the decline of the sun"

11:114

"Establish the salat at the two ends of the day"

But general commands to believers use the plural:

2:43

"Establish the salat"

No timing is mentioned.

70:23 describes believers as:

"Those who are constant upon their salat"

The word "daimun" means continuous, enduring, and ongoing. If salat were simply isolated rituals occurring a few times each day, then calling it constant raises questions. The interpretation presented here is that salat functions as continuous remembrance, orientation, and connection.

29:45 says:

"Indeed salat prevents immorality and vice"

Immorality can occur at any moment. If salat is what prevents it, then its influence would need to operate continuously rather than only for a few minutes each day.

24:58 becomes important because it mentions three private periods:

Before Salat al Fajr

Midday rest

After Salat al Isha

The verse calls them three private times, not three prayer times. It names only Fajr and Isha.

Across multiple passages similar patterns appear:

20:130

50:39

11:114

40:55

3:41

17:78

Morning and evening remembrance repeatedly appear.

The Quran also repeatedly describes the daytime as being for livelihood and activity:

78:11

"And We made the day for livelihood"

17:12

"And We made the day visible so you may seek bounty"

73:7

"Indeed during the day you have prolonged occupations"

2:238 contains "Al Salatul Wusta," commonly translated as "middle prayer." The argument presented here is that "wusta" can also carry meanings such as balanced, best, or optimal, suggesting emphasis on quality rather than a timed slot.

30:17–18 speaks of glorifying God during morning, evening, and other times of the day. The language is praise language rather than an explicit prayer timetable.

The purpose is not to tell people what to believe.

Read the verses yourself:

17:78

11:114

2:43

70:23

29:45

24:58

2:238

30:17–18

78:11

17:12

73:7

Think. Reflect. Verify.

The text speaks for itself.

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u/Either_Pianist_9480 — 1 day ago

The traditional Isra and Miraj contradicts the Quran

 THE 10 QUESTIONS THAT BREAK THE MIRAJ

STORY

Q1. A physical journey to “meet God” places God at a specific location in space — which the

Quran flatly rejects: “wherever you turn, there is God’s presence” (2:115), “He is with you

wherever you are” (57:4). How can you physically travel TO an omnipresent God?

Q2. The word إِﺳ ْ رَاء (isra — “journey by night”) appears repeatedly in the Quran — and

EVERY other time, it refers to MOSES (20:77, 26:52, 44:23-24) or Lot (11:81, 15:65). It is

NEVER used for Muhammad anywhere else. Why assume 17:1 is the lone exception?

Q3. 17:1 says the journey was “to show him some of Our signs.” That exact phrase is

explained two surahs later — in 20:22-23 — where God shows MOSES the sign of his hand

turning white. The verse points to Moses, not Muhammad.

Q4. 17:1 connects by the conjunction “and” (wa) directly into 17:2: “And We gave MOSESthe Book and made it a guide for the Children of Israel.” The very next verse names Moses.

Why read a stranger into verse 1 when verse 2 names the subject?

Q5. The “farthest masjid” (masjid al-aqsa) is claimed to be the Al-Aqsa Mosque in

Jerusalem — but that building was constructed during Caliph Omar’s time, AFTER the

Quran. How can the Quran point to a building that didn’t exist?

Q6. 17:1 calls the destination “a place whose surroundings We have blessed” — “a

destination of safety and blessings” (cf. 20:80-81). Jerusalem has been a site of siege,

conquest, and conflict for most of recorded history. Does that fit “safety and blessings”?

Q7. The SAME chapter 17 — verses 89-93 — has the Prophet’s opponents demand he

“climb up into the heaven” to prove himself, and the Quran’s reply is: “Am I anything other

than a human messenger?” If the Prophet had just physically ascended to heaven, this reply

makes no sense. The chapter dismisses heaven-climbing as irrelevant.

Q8. 17:60 — the other verse used for Miraj — says “the VISION We showed you… only as a

ﻣ َ ٮ+َﻞ trial for mankind” and explicitly calls it a parable. The chapter labels its imagery

(parable), not literal event.

Q9. The detailed Miraj narrative — winged horse (Buraq), the seven heavens, meeting earlier

prophets, bargaining God down from 50 prayers to 5 — appears NOWHERE in the Quran. It

exists only in hadith literature compiled centuries later. Why is the “central miracle” entirely

absent from the Quran?

Q10. The Miraj story closely parallels the Zoroastrian Book of Arda Viraz (a soul ascending

through heavens, meeting divine beings) and older Jewish ascension legends (the Ascent of

Isaiah, the Ascent of Moses). Why does Islam’s “unique miracle” match pre-Islamic

ascension myths so precisely?

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u/Either_Pianist_9480 — 4 days ago

Masjids are NOT physical buildings

The Quran uses the word “masjid” 28 times. NOT ONCE does it describe a building.

Across 6,000+ verses, masjid never gets a location, architecture, dimensions, or construction account. For an allegedly central sacred building, the Quran provides zero physical detail, because it was never a building.

The root س-ج-د is the same root as سُجُود (sujud), which means COMPLIANCE, not physical prostration:

•	13:15, 16:48 explicitly state that SHADOWS do sujud (shadows cannot physically prostrate)

•	12:4 has Joseph dreaming of 11 PLANETS doing sujud (planets have no head to lower)

•	22:18 says sun, moon, stars, mountains, trees, animals do sujud (they comply with the order of creation)

•	12:100 says Joseph’s parents did sujud while SEATED on a throne (they did not get up to prostrate)

•	2:34 says angels did sujud TO ADAM (if sujud means worship, angels worshipped Adam, which is shirk)

So the root means COMPLIANCE. And masjid means a project, blueprint, mode, or practice of compliant action. Not a building.

The “ma-” prefix does not force a physical location. Compare manhaj (method), madhhab (school of thought), maslak (approach). Or English: “platform,” “framework,” “institution,” “establishment.” All sound physical, all routinely mean abstract structures.

Masjid al-Haram is the inviolable project of peace.

al-Haram means the inviolable, the sacred-and-protected, that which must NOT be violated. Masjid al-Haram is a universal blueprint for peaceful coexistence among diverse communities, historically embodied as the Medina Charter: the constitution the Prophet drew up uniting Muslims, Jews, and others into one cooperative polity bound by shared civic values.

The verses that destroy the “sacred building” reading:

2:114 and 2:115 sit together. 2:114 condemns those who prevent God’s masajid. 2:115 IMMEDIATELY says “wherever you turn, there is God’s face” (فَأَيْنَمَا تُوَلُّوا فَثَمَّ وَجْهُ اللَّهِ). The text itself rejects a fixed physical direction two verses later.

2:149-150 says to set yourself toward masjid al-haram “from wherever you start out, wherever you may be.” A building has one direction. A shared moral GOAL can be approached from anywhere.

2:177 explicitly states: “Righteousness is NOT that you turn your faces toward East or West.” The Quran downgrades physical direction, then defines righteousness as belief, charity, justice, keeping covenants.

7:29 and 7:31 say “set yourselves at EVERY masjid” (عِندَ كُلِّ مَسْجِدٍ) and “take your adornment at EVERY masjid.” If masjid means one specific Mecca building, “every masjid” makes no sense. The verses only work if masjid means a category of compliant action accessible everywhere.

22:25 says masjid al-haram is “appointed for ALL people” (the participants and the non-participants alike). You do not “race toward” a building you simply face. You race toward a shared moral goal.

2:187 says some believers were “secluded in the masajid” (PLURAL, at least three). No historical record of multiple mosques exists from the Prophet’s persecuted Meccan years.

Seven masjid verses were revealed in MECCA (7:29, 7:31, 17:1, 17:7, 18:21, 72:18), during years of persecution. A persecuted minority does not build mosques in hostile Mecca.

Chapter 9 treats masjid al-haram exactly like a treaty:

•	9:7, a treaty was made “with” masjid al-haram (you make treaties with parties, not architecture)

•	9:17-19, believers MAINTAIN (يَعْمُرُوا) God’s masajid through belief, salat, zakat, fearing God alone (you do not maintain a building by believing in God)

•	9:19, “maintaining masjid al-haram” is compared with “believing and striving in God’s path” (belief is not equal to building maintenance, it IS equal to covenantal commitment)

•	9:28, concern arises about lost TAX revenue when polytheists may not approach it (buildings do not generate membership tax, treaties do)

•	9:107-108, hypocrites “established a masjid” to cause harm and division (a counter-SCHEME, a rival project of sabotage)

This is the language of a political-social covenant. Members, tax, expulsion, saboteurs. Not architecture.

22:40 lists masajid alongside MONASTERIES, CHURCHES, and SYNAGOGUES as protected places where God is remembered. Either way, masjid here is not one unique Mecca building. It is at minimum a category of devotion shared across faiths.

72:18 says: “The masajid are for God, so do not call on anyone besides Him.” Read as “the buildings are for God” the verse is a narrow architectural footnote. Read as “all submission is for God” the verse becomes a foundational statement of tawhid.

Masjid al-Aqsa cannot be the building in Jerusalem.

The structure now called “Al-Aqsa Mosque” was constructed during Caliph Omar’s time, AFTER the Quran was revealed. The Quran cannot reference a building that did not yet exist. And 17:1 calls the destination “blessed environs” and “a place of safety and blessings.” Jerusalem has been one of the most fought-over and besieged locations in human history. The description does not fit Jerusalem. It fits a project of enlightenment.

So masjid al-aqsa is the FARTHEST PROJECT, the destination of enlightenment. 17:1’s night journey is the allegorical inner journey from peace (masjid al-haram) to full awakening (masjid al-aqsa).

“Entering” the masjid means PARTICIPATING, not walking in.

The Quran uses دخل (enter) figuratively constantly:

•	2:208, “ENTER into peace/submission completely” (enter a state)

•	4:175, “He will ADMIT them into His mercy” (mercy is not a room)

•	48:27, “you will ENTER the inviolable project of peace in security” (enter a covenant)

•	110:2, “you see people ENTERING God’s deen in flocks” (enter a way of life)

English does the same: “She entered politics.” “He entered into an agreement.” “They entered the workforce.” Entering the masjid means joining the project of peace.

What it means in 2026:

The inviolable project of peace is not a historical relic. It is a living, unfinished assignment.

It is still the qibla, the shared focus. In a fractured world of sectarian, national, and ideological division, masjid al-haram is the call to orient every community toward one common goal: peaceful, just, cooperative coexistence. The direction everyone is meant to face is not a city. It is peace itself.

It is a blueprint anyone can build. Because masjid al-haram is a project, not a place, it is not owned by one country, one sect, or one piece of real estate. Any community, anywhere (Oslo, Jakarta, Lagos, São Paulo, Toronto) that builds a framework of peace, pluralism, justice, and mutual cooperation is participating in masjid al-haram. No visa. No pilgrimage.

Violating it is still the great wrong. 2:217 calls obstructing the inviolable project of peace “a greater wrong than fighting.” In 2026, that means those who sow sectarian hatred, weaponize religion for division, or sabotage cooperation from within (the 9:107-108 pattern) are the ones violating masjid al-haram, regardless of how often they visit any building.

Think of “the rule of law.” It is not a courthouse. It is a principle that can be upheld or violated anywhere, by anyone, in any country. You do not travel to the rule of law. You practice it. Masjid al-haram is exactly that kind of thing: a principle of inviolable peace that you join by living it, not by reaching a location.

The Quran’s qibla is not a stone you bow toward. It is a peace you build toward.

The text speaks for itself, and it speaks of a project, not a place.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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u/Either_Pianist_9480 — 5 days ago
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That feature came and went

nobody is even talking about it anymore, I thought it would be a hit everyone would be praising, the whole 3 albums getting shit on 😭

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u/Either_Pianist_9480 — 7 days ago

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u/Either_Pianist_9480 — 7 days ago

Ramadan is NOT a food fasting month that food hunger ritual contradicts the Quran Actually

The Quran shows ONE person doing siyam in real time, and she EATS AND DRINKS during it.

19:26 — Mary declares her siyam: نَذَرْتُ لِلرَّحْمَٰنِ صَوْمًا. In the SAME breath: فَكُلِي وَاشْرَبِي (“EAT and DRINK”). And the verse explicitly defines her siyam: فَلَنْ أُكَلِّمَ الْيَوْمَ إِنسِيًّا (“I will NOT SPEAK to any human today”).

The one time the Quran shows a siyam happening in action, it is abstinence from speech, with eating and drinking permitted throughout. Zachariah (3:41) follows the same pattern, three days of silence, not hunger. 2:183 says siyam was prescribed “AS IT WAS for those before you.” This is exactly that pattern.

The word “Ramadan” was never the name of a month.

The pre-Islamic Arabian calendar contained no month called Ramadan (Lisan al-Arab, Lane’s Lexicon). The Quran names NO months and NO weekdays anywhere, not Friday, not January, not one of the twelve months. Why would “Ramadan” be the lone exception?

شَهْر (shahr) = manifestation, full visibility (root ش-ه-ر), same root as مَشْهُور (famous) and شُهْرَة (fame). “Month” is just the narrowed application.

رَمَضَان (ramadan) = inner burning (root ر-م-ض = scorching). Lane’s Lexicon: “the heaving of the soul, distress, disquietude, pain, grief.” Like English “burning question.”

شَهْرُ رَمَضَانَ = the manifestation of inner burning, the state of urgent questioning in which revelation becomes clear. 2:185 confirms this is the state “wherein the Reading is being sent down as guidance.”

“Eat and drink” is figurative in all 7 Quranic occurrences:

•	52:19, 69:24, 77:43 — “eat and drink for what you DID” (you cannot chew deeds)

•	2:174 — “eat fire into their bellies”

•	2:93 — “drink the calf into their hearts”

•	2:275 — “eat usury”

•	2:188 — “eat your wealth wrongly”

In a passage saturated with “the Reading,” “the Criterion,” “clarification,” and “study” (2:183-187), كُلُوا وَاشْرَبُوا means consume and absorb the message. Like English “food for thought,” “I devoured that book,” “she drank in every word.”

73:20 describes the SAME instruction as 2:183-187: night Quran-study sessions, same excused categories (sick, traveler), same surrounding instructions (study, charity, ease). They are the same prescription.

Traditional fasting INVERTS what siyam was meant to do.

Quranic siyam was meant to SHARPEN thinking. The inherited ritual DULLS it. Education departments in Germany and England have officially discouraged students from fasting during Ramadan because of poorer exam performance. Workplace productivity in Muslim-majority countries drops by up to 50% during the month. Decisions and meetings get postponed until it ends.

The medical evidence:

•	21-50% rise in hospital admissions during Ramadan

•	46% increase in general surgery

•	31% increase in orthopaedics

•	44% increase in CCU admissions

•	Documented mortality increase during Ramadan and the month after

•	Gestational diabetes and induced labour in pregnant women

•	Children of fasting mothers: lower growth, poorer cognitive abilities, higher rates of type 2 diabetes

•	Dry fasting risks: hypoglycaemic shock, renal injury, brain damage, cardiac arrest

Would the Most Merciful command this? 2:185 itself says: “God wants ease for you, not hardship.”

The Norway test: the traditional fast breaks down at the poles, requiring invented fatwas (“follow Mecca’s timezone”) that exist nowhere in the Quran. The Quranic siyam works identically in Oslo, Mecca, Jakarta, or the South Pole. Reason has no timezone.

And the Quran warns about this pattern explicitly. 3:93, 4:160, 6:146 describe communities imposing harsh restrictions on themselves “by their own deeds” and then attributing them to God. Self-punishment dressed up as divine command. The Quran left the warning sign on the door of this exact mistake.

Siyam is not skipping food. It is the disciplined restraint of the restless, questioning mind, through focused study of divine guidance, until clarity dawns.

“Shahru Ramadan” is not a month. It is the manifestation of inner burning, the urgent inquiry in which revelation becomes clear. Any sincere person can enter it, anywhere, any time their burning questions drive them to seek.

The text speaks for itself, and it speaks the same in every timezone, every body, and every hospital ward that fills up every year.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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u/Either_Pianist_9480 — 7 days ago

Every ritual salat argument contradicts the Quran

The Arabic root ص-ل-و (s-l-w):

To follow closely. To connect. To stay near. To track.

This is documented in:

•	Lane’s Lexicon, Volume 4, page 1721  “the second horse in a race that closely follows the first”

•	Tāj al-ʿArūs  “to attach oneself closely to”

•	Lisān al-ʿArab  “to remain in close pursuit”

The convergent root و-ص-ل (w-s-l) meaning “to arrive, reach, join, connect” confirms the core idea: CONNECTION.

The Quran’s own definition 75:31-32:

فَلَا صَدَّقَ وَلَا صَلَّىٰ ۝ وَلَٰكِن كَذَّبَ وَتَوَلَّىٰ

“He neither affirmed nor صَلَّىٰ. Instead, he denied and TURNED AWAY (تَوَلَّىٰ).”

The verse uses صَلَّى as the OPPOSITE of تَوَلَّى (turn away). What’s the opposite of turning away? Following closely. The Quran defines its own term.

Confirmation 96:9-13:

أَرَأَيْتَ الَّذِي يَنْهَىٰ ۝ عَبْدًا إِذَا صَلَّىٰ

“Have you seen the one who forbids a servant when he صَلَّى?”

Context: someone is preventing a servant from FOLLOWING/connecting with God. Not “praying ritually” that would be implausible to forbid. The verse describes someone obstructing another from following divine guidance.

Each verse independently destroys the ritual-prayer interpretation:

  1. Birds know their salat 24:41

وَالطَّيْرُ صَافَّاتٍ ۖ كُلٌّ قَدْ عَلِمَ صَلَاتَهُ وَتَسْبِيحَهُ

Flying birds with outstretched wings “know” their salat. They don’t recite Fatiha. They don’t face Mecca. They don’t do sujud. They don’t count rakats. Yet they KNOW their salat. The verse forces only one conclusion: salat is each creature’s natural connection with God.

  1. Synagogues are called صَلَوَات — 22:40

The Quran calls Jewish synagogues “salawat” (places of salat). Jews don’t do Muslim ritual prayer. The word covers any communication/worship structure not a specific Muslim ritual.

  1. God performs salat for humans 33:43, 2:157

If salat = ritual prayer with postures and Fatiha to WHOM does God prostrate? What direction does God face? Whose Fatiha does God recite? Impossible. But God CONNECTING with humans (sending blessings, support, guidance) is fully coherent.

  1. Salat while walking or riding 2:239

فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ فَرِجَالًا أَوْ رُكْبَانًا

“If you fear, then on FOOT or RIDING.” How do you perform sujud while walking? Bow while horseback at speed? Recite Fatiha while running? Impossible. Continuing the connection/remembrance during travel is fully possible.

  1. Wartime salat with weapons 4:101-102

Warriors hold swords, shields, arrows and perform salat. Physical prostration with weapons is impossible. The verse describes COMMUNICATION/INSTRUCTION SESSIONS during battle, where the Prophet conveys messages to warriors who then disperse to fight.

  1. Strangers/non-Muslims do salat as witnesses — 5:106

Non-Muslim witnesses do “salat” to swear honesty when witnessing a will. Non-Muslims don’t perform Muslim ritual prayer. The word here means “solemn declaration/communication.”

  1. Salat paid through charity 9:99, 9:103

The Prophet performs salat for charitable Bedouins (9:103). Bedouins perform salat for the Prophet through their charity (9:99). Salat tied to financial transactions = salat means support/blessing/invocation, not physical prayer.

  1. Meccan idolaters’ “salat” = whistling and clapping 8:35

وَمَا كَانَ صَلَاتُهُمْ عِندَ الْبَيْتِ إِلَّا مُكَاءً وَتَصْدِيَةً

The idolaters’ “salat” at the Kaaba was nothing but whistling and clapping. If salat = ritual prayer with prescribed postures, why is whistling called salat? Because the word covers any communication/ceremony.

  1. Infant Jesus enjoined with salat 19:31

“He enjoined me with salat and zakat for as long as I live” said by infant Jesus in the cradle. An infant can’t perform rakats and sujud. But an infant can be assigned a LIFELONG MISSION to deliver divine messages.

  1. Abraham distinguishes prayer from salat 14:37-40

رَبِّ اجْعَلْنِي مُقِيمَ الصَّلَاةِ وَمِن ذُرِّيَّتِي ۚ رَبَّنَا وَتَقَبَّلْ دُعَاءِ

Abraham says: “Make me ESTABLISHER OF SALAT, and my offspring. Accept my دُعَاء (PRAYER).” The verse uses both words distinctly. If salat = prayer, the verse is redundant gibberish. Two different concepts.

  1. Zakariya teaching while in salat 3:38-39

Zakariya was “STANDING DOING SALAT” (قَائِمٌ يُصَلِّي) in the chamber when the angels announced John’s birth. The Quran differentiates his PRAYER (دَعَا) from his SALAT (delivering oration/teaching). Same person, two different actions, two different words.

  1. Constant ongoing salat 70:22-23

إِلَّا الْمُصَلِّينَ ۝ الَّذِينَ هُمْ عَلَىٰ صَلَاتِهِمْ دَائِمُونَ

“Except those who maintain their salat CONSTANTLY (دَائِمُونَ).”

“Constantly” cannot describe 5 brief daily rituals (each lasting minutes). “Constantly” describes an ONGOING WAY OF LIFE continuous connection with God’s messages.

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u/Either_Pianist_9480 — 10 days ago

Man and Woman in the Quran/ discussion with the doubting Muslim

There is a gender-neutral interpretation of these words where rijal refers to stronger, affluent, responsible, wealthy and powerful section of a society, while nisa actually refers to its weaker, poorer, undeveloped and persecuted section. So, in this understanding, both the words include both men and women. like a caste system or social structure.

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u/Either_Pianist_9480 — 11 days ago

>!THE FRIDAY PRAYER IS AN UNQURANIC INVENTION!<

SECTION 1: THE 10 QUESTIONS THAT BREAK THE FRIDAY PRAYER ARGUMENT

Q1. Every day of the Arabic week is named by NUMBER: Sunday = day ONE (ahad), Monday = day TWO (ithnayn), Tuesday = day THREE (thalatha), Wednesday = day FOUR (arbia’a), Thursday = day FIVE (khamis), Saturday = day SEVEN (sabt). But “Friday” = day of GATHERING (jumu’ah) — not day SIX (saadis). Why does the pattern break? Because jumu’ah REPLACED the original number, as an afterthought intruder that breaks the pattern.

Q2. If 62:9 were about a FIXED weekly prayer at a KNOWN time (Friday noon), why would it need a special reminder to “hasten” when called? Dawn salat doesn’t have a verse saying “leave your sleep.” A fixed appointment doesn’t need an emergency reminder. But an UNEXPECTED call during business hours does.

Q3. The Quran says يَوْم (yawm) — which means any period of time from a moment to an eon, NOT necessarily a calendar day. And الْجُمُعَةِ comes from the root ج-م-ع meaning “gathering/assembly.” So يَوْمَ الْجُمُعَةِ literally means “a time of gathering” — not “Friday.”

Q4. 62:9 says “cease all TRADE” (الْبَيْعَ). If this were about a holy prayer day, why specifically mention trade? Because the context is a marketplace or public gathering where trade is happening — not a mosque.

Q5. 62:11 says “when they see TRADE or ENTERTAINMENT, they rush to it and leave you standing.” Does this sound like a structured Friday prayer? People leaving mid prayer to chase a trade caravan? This describes an ad hoc communication session during business hours, not a fixed ritual.

Q6. The Quran says the daytime is “made for livelihood” (78:11, 17:12) and at daytime one is “hard pressed with a long schedule of occupations” (73:7). There is NO mention of any regular daytime salat in the Quran. So where does a mandatory midday Friday prayer come from?

Q7. The Quran never uses the phrase “salat al jumu’ah” (Friday prayer). It says “salat” on “yawm al jumu’ah” — communication at a TIME OF GATHERING. Those are different things. Yawm al jumu’ah doesn’t mean salat al jumu’ah.

Q8. If Friday were a divinely sanctified day, why does the Quran say “once the salat is complete, DISPERSE through the land and seek provisions” (62:10)? A holy day of rest would not instruct you to immediately go back to work. This is the opposite of Sabbath.

Q9. The Quran never mentions “week” (أسبوع / usbue) at all. The concept of a 7 day week is culturally arbitrary with no astronomical basis. A universal divine revelation wouldn’t fix rituals to a culturally specific calendar unit it never mentions.

Q10. Not a SINGLE surviving Friday sermon from the Prophet exists. If Friday prayer were a central institution of Islam from the beginning, where are the khutbahs? The absence of any surviving Friday sermon puts the entire tradition to rest.

u/Either_Pianist_9480 — 16 days ago

“Adam” in the Quran is not merely presented as the name of a single man, but as a symbol for humanity itself. Across multiple passages, the Quran interchangeably uses “Adam,” “man” (bashar), and “human” (insaan) within the same narrative, suggesting the story is about the emergence and development of humankind rather than the instant creation of one individual. The Quran repeatedly addresses humanity collectively before mentioning Adam, reinforcing this broader anthropic meaning.

The Quran also describes human origins through many different stages and materials: dust, clay, sticky clay, refined clay, black mud transmuted, and growth from the Earth. Rather than contradicting each other, these descriptions can be read as successive stages of development. Verses like 71:14 (“He created you through stages”) and 71:17 (“He made you grow from the Earth as a growth”) strongly emphasize gradual processes rather than instantaneous creation.

One of the clearest examples appears in 7:11:

“We created you, THEN fashioned you, THEN told the forces: comply with Adam.”

The repeated use of “then” (ثُمَّ) indicates sequence and progression over time. The Quran distinguishes between creation and fashioning, suggesting a developmental process. Other verses describe humans as not even being “a thing mentioned” for a long period of time (76:1), implying pre-human stages before fully conscious humanity emerged.

The Quran’s Adam narratives also repeatedly connect human origins to broader cosmic and earthly processes. In several passages, the story is preceded by references to the creation of the heavens, the Earth, mountains, ecosystems, and balance in nature. The angels’ question about humans spreading corruption and shedding blood suggests awareness of earlier violent beings or hominid predecessors before the emergence of conscious humanity as “khalifah” — an inheritor or successor upon the Earth.

Finally, the Quran’s phrase “Be, and it is” does not necessarily imply instant materialization. In 3:59, Adam is compared to Jesus, yet Jesus himself developed gradually through birth and pregnancy. The Quran consistently presents creation as unfolding through stages, balance, growth, and transformation. When all seven Adam passages are read together holistically, they form a narrative far more consistent with gradual human development and evolution than with literal instantaneous creationism. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTkW8YoRA/

u/Either_Pianist_9480 — 17 days ago

When discussing any “Islamic topic” with Quran-alone followers, one of their most repeated assertions is: “Is this mentioned in the Quran?”Any knowledge, insight, or wisdom that emerges from within human experience or from the world around us is often dismissed unless it can be directly located within the text of the Quran. Their expectation is that every matter of existence, philosophy, spirituality, psychology, science, ethics, and human experience must be explicitly contained within the 114 chapters of the Arabic scripture known as the Quran.

Ironically, while they frequently quote verses such as 41:53 – along with many other verses that emphasize reflection, intellect, observation, and contemplation – they often fail to embrace the very spirit of those instructions. The Quran repeatedly calls upon human beings to think deeply, observe the signs within themselves and in the universe, and use reason as a means of understanding truth. Yet many among them confine intellectual inquiry strictly within the boundaries of textual literalism.

As a result, they tend to demand direct references and explicit textual proofs for nearly every idea or discussion, as though truth cannot exist unless it is verbally cited within scripture. In practice, however, many of them rely more heavily on translations and inherited interpretations than on a direct engagement with the linguistic depth, context, and intellectual spirit of the original Arabic text itself.

The deeper issue, therefore, is not merely about loyalty to the Quran, but about the limitation imposed upon thought when a living, reflective, and intellectual scripture is reduced to a closed and rigid textual framework.

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u/Either_Pianist_9480 — 20 days ago

so far every frag I got annoys me, i got the ysl matte black one, france magnetic blue one, the gold jeal Paul, they all suck to me now, is this byredo good frl

u/Either_Pianist_9480 — 22 days ago

Slippery slope fallacy. He’s equating consensual adult homosexual relationships

with bestiality.

That’s a category error. The Quran is talking about human relationships, not animal Nikahs. They’re jumping categories to avoid the actual question. they couldn’t stay in the same category: humans.

Are animals part of the human marriage category in the Quran, or are you avoiding showing a prohibition verse?

Where does the Qur’an include animals in human marriage laws inheritance, contracts, or witnesses? they were just avoiding the actual question

u/Either_Pianist_9480 — 24 days ago