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si cet homme était vraiment musulman, pourquoi n'a-t-il pas simplement expliqué comment IL effectuait la prière ? Pourquoi compiler plus de 600 narrations décrivant différentes manières de prier au lieu de fournir une explication claire pour éviter de confondre tous les musulmans ? N'est-ce pas plutôt paradoxal ? De plus, Bukhari était l'un des plus grands réjecteurs de hadiths. Il a donc dû rejeter des hadiths qui auraient pu être historiquement authentiques. Ce n'est pas quelque chose à prendre à la légère ! Combien de hadiths aujourd'hui sont liés à la politique ou à d'autres religions, notamment le zoroastrisme ? Prenez des pratiques comme se laver le nez trois fois ou des narrations concernant les chiens noirs, par exemple.

Je crois sincèrement que Bukhari était un zoroastrien qui n'a jamais accepté la défaite aux mains des musulmans et a essayé de comprendre leur religion sans être lui-même musulman. Sa compilation donne l'impression d'un homme qui ne comprenait pas les pratiques qu'il prétendait préserver, compte tenu du nombre de contradictions qu'elle contient. Pire encore, il a peut-être contribué à la perte de la prière originale que Muhammad avait sans aucun doute établie en compilant d'innombrables hadiths contradictoires sur la façon de la réaliser. Et n'oublions pas ses origines persanes et sa lignée zoroastrienne. Pourquoi cette possibilité devrait-elle être automatiquement écartée ? Pourquoi devrions-nous accepter aveuglément son travail sans remettre en question ses intentions, ses sources et les conséquences de sa compilation ?

For those looking to do a deeper dive into what The Quran says about salat, here is a handy concise list:
https://mypercept.co.uk/articles/quran_on_salat.htm

It is by no means complete, so feel free to list more here. I can then consider adding them to the article. Thanks.

Quran 6:116 — A timeless warning about following the majority

“And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah. They follow not except assumption, and they are not but falsifying.” — Quran 6:116

I have been reflecting on this verse, and what strikes me most is how timeless its message is.

At the time of the Prophet Muhammad, the believers were a minority surrounded by a society whose majority followed beliefs and practices that contradicted his message. Allah warned the believers not to mistake the majority's beliefs for the truth.

But the Quran is not merely a book for one generation. Its message continues to speak to people across different times and circumstances. So why should we assume that this warning has no relevance when the majority today consists of people who identify themselves as Muslims?

Today, the majority of Muslims identify as Sunni and accept hadith collections alongside the Quran as religious authorities. Yet there are also people who believe that the Quran alone is the divine revelation they are accountable for following.

When these people question the authority of hadith literature, they are often labelled misguided, deviant, or even mushrik. But does the number of people making these accusations establish that they are correct? If majority opinion is not proof of religious truth, why should it become proof simply because the majority identifies as Muslim?

This is where I find the Quran's message particularly powerful.

The Quran repeatedly directs people to reflect, reason, examine revelation, and avoid blindly following inherited beliefs. Consider these verses:

- Quran 6:116 — A warning against following the majority when it leads away from Allah's path.

- Quran 12:111 — The Quran is described as a confirmation of what came before it, a detailed explanation, guidance, and mercy.

- Quran 16:89 — The Book is described as an explanation of all things, guidance, mercy, and good tidings for those who submit.

- Quran 45:6 — After Allah's revelations, what other statement will people believe in?

For me, these verses raise a fundamental question: if the Quran is Allah's revelation and the ultimate criterion by which religious claims must be examined, why should reports compiled by human beings centuries after the Prophet automatically become binding religious authority?

I understand that Sunni Muslims regard hadith as essential for understanding and practising their religion. But that is precisely the point of disagreement: does the Quran itself establish that these later collections must be accepted as an independent source of religious authority? Or have generations of inherited religious tradition made something that should be examined into something that must never be questioned?

I am not arguing that a minority is automatically right, or that a majority is automatically wrong. I am arguing that neither numbers nor inherited labels can replace evidence from Allah's revelation.

The people who followed the Prophet were once a minority. Today, someone who questions the religious authority of hadith may also find himself in a minority, facing condemnation from people who believe their inherited tradition is unquestionably correct.

I cannot claim to know the hearts of those people, nor can I declare that every Sunni Muslim is misguided. That judgment belongs to Allah. But I can ask whether we are applying the Quran's warnings consistently, including when they challenge our own traditions.

Again I want to end with the note about the the beauty of Quran on how in so many ways it keeps establishing itself as the sole guide for us followers of one God alone .

How do i force myself to love islam?

It's quite late now, and my thoughts won't shut up. I haven't read any comments under my other posts, don't dare to do so, not now.

This is another night spend crying. I cannot do this anymore.

I hate this.

I can't live in this misery, in this strained and stained relationship with a religion which affects my whole life.

I live in a non muslim country, i wear the stupid hijab. If I could return in time I would've nearly strangled my last self for ever deciding to wear it.

I don't even view it as mandatory. Used to see some beauty in it and wear it out of free will..but now it's a heavy symbol which I wear every day and which I despise and makes me despise Islam even more.

People say: take your time, slow down

I understand their advice

At the same time...easy to say! Easy to say it when you're a woman who could be everything from an atheist to a muslim to a Hindu. Or even better - a man.

Of course those people can take it easy! They don't walk around with a symbolic screaming stereotyical bs about them! Their faith is private. Mine is not.

I used to genuinely like Islam. Now I either feel frustration, exhaustion or at best...nothing. Completely empty and mute. No feelings at all.

Who's fault? Entirely mine.

I wish I'd didn't know the things I do and didn't think about the things I do. I'd wish I could continue to live in the blissful ignorance like I did in the past.

Where every question could be brushed away as "gods knowledge". As "god is merciful".

Maybe god is. Maybe not.

But I'm mad at him.

And myself.

I have been an ex muslim in the past. Secretly of course. Came back on my own terms. I question the choice.

I CANNOT live as a closeted ex muslim. No, I can't. That would be a miserable life, it was a miserable life.

I can't even relate to ex Muslims communities. They only make me feel worse. They are not like me and im not like them.

I'm not an ex muslim. I'm not a muslim. Who the hell am I?

Though, it doesn't matter.

To the whole word I'm a muslim.

I need to be one. I have to.

So..how?

How do I force myself to love islam? At least not feel all the ridiculous things I feel towards it.

I know this post will probably get down voted. Maybe I should've posted it on ex muslim sub instead, but I don't feel at home there either.

I don't feel at home anywhere.

I'm tired. Tired of being tired, of crying and complaining. Tired of everything. I cannot live like this. Or at all.

I don't know.

And I'm not saying islam is bad..it isn't. It truly isn't uniquely bad or bad at all it's only bad for me, I'm not made for it as much as I'm not made for this life, and if god created me he did so just to make me suffer for eternity from the day I got born to eternity in the afterlife.

I envy people who actually are at peace with themselves and their faith.

I'm just a hypocrite.

I've spent my whole, my whole youth in this religion. I regret it so much. I regret ever being born, ever doing anything.

Question stated in the title.

Traditional explanations are just misogynistic, that women have worse memory, deficient and so...

Even if the rule is only about economical things - why does it exist? And applying it today...do we have to? If no - aren't we just changing religion? Isn't it really meant to be eternal?

Isn't the rule misogynistic... Why not a man=women. Why 2 women= 1 man....

I have heard some say that women were less involved in economics...but wasn't Khadija "a business woman"? Of course she may have been an exception but still... I don't really understand and fear being lied too, just because people want to save the faith...

If it's about the fact that women did not "participate" in economics then why doesn't the same rule apply regarding a "will" and so...

Like... I don't understand .. As said, Khadija a business woman...so what, based on the role, Would her testimony also be a half? Even though she knows everything that is relevant to the case?

Some also say that this applies to ALL testimonies (analogical reasoning...) which is even worse..

I’m losing faith due to the Hadith. The more I read into it the more I feel like I’m going crazy losing sleep over it. Did you go through this? What helped you completely stop believing in it and focus on the Quran alone? Any advice would be appreciated.

I was planning to take a break from reddit. But failed as usual..

I have a new question which makes my stomach drop and makes me nausea's.

33:59.

Haven't found any good explanations, only messy apologetics.

My issue is the common explanation for 33:59.

That women got harassed, and when the men got caught they would say that they thought she was a slave.

So god commands to wrap the jilbab, so it's clear that they're free women

But then, doesn't that mean that harassing a slave was okay? Why not say that anyone who harasses a women, slave or free , will get punished! As simple as that..

Why the blaming of women and their clothes?

Also, the harassment, does it mean...rape? Or something less graphic and horrific... Cat calling or something, I don't know.

Also, if it's about women being recognized as free women then what was the point of the verse since jilbab ALREADY seemed to be a sign of a free woman, at least from my understanding..

I understand nothing.

Even if jilbab somehow helped... Okay, We have a solution for free women.. But what about slave women? But not tell slave women to wear a jilbab too?

Also like why say the women of believers.. Why not "the believing women"? Does it mean that lets say any other muslim woman who was not married to a muslim man....somehow did not have to observe the command? Maybe I'm being a bit annoying and picky, but the wording seems strange to me.

Yesterday I heard a Hadith about the bodies of prophets not decaying. Instinctively I doubted it but perhaps that was wrong of me

How do you navigate questioning Hadith without rejecting it out of hand

Well, you’re the ones who often hold a different view on this: what is your understanding regarding whether LGBTQ groups are committing a sin or not? And another question: would you view the Hadith Qudsi concerning the Isra and Mi'raj as evidence that Hadiths are flawed—especially considering the details where Muhammad (PBUH) prayed with the prophets in Jerusalem and spoke to them, yet later in the heavens had to keep asking Gabriel who they were, only to find out it was a prophet? Or the part about the imposition of prayer, where Moses apparently knew better than Allah, and so on?

(I am Sunni since birth)