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There's been 6 official Bridgerton next generation children born on the show as of S4 but we know that by S5 we could be getting possibly at least 4 or 5 more children born in the universe after the 2 year time jump. (Saphne will have Baby #3 and #4, Kanthony will have Baby #2, Polin will have Baby #2, and Benophie most likely will have a baby).

But only 3 of them are based on book canon: Oliver & Amanda Crane and Edmund Bridgerton II

The Official Children as of Season 4:

• Oliver and Amanda Crane
• Lord August Basset, Earl of Clydedon
• Second Basset Baby (Name and Geneder unconfirmed)
• Edmund Bridgerton II
• Elliott Bridgerton, Lord Featherington

We don't yet know what gender or name Daphne's 2nd baby is that we saw in Queen Charlotte but if we go by book canon, her second baby is a girl named Belinda and the baby looked very much like a girl.

But the show has not followed the books any other time. All the other babies have been genderswapped and names changed except for Edmund and Oliver and Amanda.

I think we might get more baby name changes.

If we go by book canon we should expect S5 to let us know Kanthonys second baby is going to be a boy named Miles Bridgerton ​and Polins second baby is going to be Thomas Bridgerton (already confirmed they're having another boy in S5).

Benophies firstborn is supposed to be Charles Bridgerton but something tells me they're going to do another genderswap or rather, they're going to swap baby orders and have Violet Bridgerton as their first baby.

Seeing Eloise purposefully being left out of conversations with her "married sisters" and being forced to babysit her younger sister because her mother just cannot leave her alone about finding a husband was hard to watch. And seeing Eloise so lonely made me feel so bad for her.

She has no one to talk to and no one to relate to because everyone else is moving on with their lives and are at different stages but she's stuck.

It's going to be so much worse in S5 with the time jump and everyone in her life having multiple babies and getting married while she's stuck babysitting her younger siblings.

But this was sadly the life of a spinster at that time but it's still so sad to watch my girl Eloise go through this 😭

Need this scene adapted from the books on the show.

Eloise seeing Phillip's scars for the first time and demanding to know who hurt him and having Phillip relive his childhood trauma of abuse from his father will be poignant. I hope they do not cut it out of the show.

It's important to their relationship and Phillip's growth as a character in being vulnerable and open about his past trauma.

Happy Mother's Day to all 💕💕💕

And a special mother's day to all the Bridgerton moms!

I included all the mothers who have Bridgerton children in the family (whether by name or only by blood)!

Here's how many children they have in the books.

• Daphne Basset - 5 kids
• Kate Bridgerton - 4 kids
• Sophie Bridgerton - 4 kids
• Penelope Bridgerton - 4 kids
• Eloise Bridgerton (soon to be Crane) - 5 kids (+including 2 adoptive step children)
• Marina Crane - 2 kids (biological mother of Eloise's adoptive children)
• Francesca and Michaela Stirling - 2 kids
• Violet Bridgerton - 8 kids

P. S This is an aesthetic moodboard of the characters and not a reflection of the actual cast. Images used are NOT AI generated and are real photos with some being photos from projects the actresses were on (see Yerin Ha on Survivors where she played a mother). Mood Boards are meant to convey a similar vibe to characters you are basing them on.

When I saw this scene I foolishly thought this was a set up for Eloise to be S5 because Eloise was finally coming around to the idea of marriage and when she mentioned all the advantages marriage can have, it was totally setting her up to eventually have a marriage of convenience with Phillip but since we now know S5 is not Eloise's season I really fear they will just have Eloise just...there waiting for her turn or worse, they could have Eloise regress back to her old self of complaining about the marriage mart because that's what they do with her every season. She has growth and then the following season she is back to square one.

They have to keep this momentum.

We already know that Eloise won't be searching or seeking out love because Jess said her story will be about being "surprised by love not seeking it" so I don't see her engaging with suitors either.

And there's been no indication we will see Phillip next season so there's no way to even believe Phillip and Eloise will interact. Maybe the letters will start but I don't think we will see Phillip and her writing back and forth with each other and if we get letters it'll be in secret which... sucks.

I really don't know what they're gonna have her do next season. What will she be doing?

What theories do you guys have? What do you think she'll be doing next season?

The official synopsis of Season 5 tells us that Francesca will reenter the marriage mart for practical reasons but when Michaela returns to London, Frans complicated feelings will have her questioning whether to stick to her pragmatic intentions or pursue her inner passions.

What if the pragmatic intention is to have a child?

In the book (When He Was Wicked), Francesca reentered the marriage mart because she wanted to remarry in order to have a child, not necessarily for love. In the first five chapters of the book, we got Francesca's first marriage, John's death, she has troubles conceiving for two years, her suffering a miscarriage and then the four year time jump after Michael left to see her seeing all the children in her family and all her nieces and nephews from Anthony, Benedict and Daphne's children and seeing that she desires a family and wants children of her own and so that was the primary reason why she rejoined the marriage mart to find a husband. But she has always shown she desired to have a family and she decides to remarry not because she wants to continue the Kilmartin line (which she couldn't have anyway as she's not a blood born Stirling) but because she genuinely wanted a family and it wasn't because of societal expectations of her to have one. She loved children and even after struggling for years to have children after marrying Michael, she managed to still have her happy ending (although it's important to note that Julia Quinn only decided to give Francesca and Michael children AFTER the fans asked for it which she did in a 2nd epilogue years later so Julia planned to not give Francesca children).

On the show, however, Francesca is shown to still fall in love and marry John, still struggle conceiving and still lose her husband in death but the key differences is that she did not have a miscarriage but instead she just had a hysterical pregnancy (her body and mind believing she was pregnant when she was not) ​​and her reasoning for wanting to give John children is societal. She felt like she was obligated to have an heir for the Kilmartin line and because John desired children.. There hasn't been any indication that Francesca genuinely wants children for herself which could explain how the show plans to explore her relationship with Michaela who is now a woman instead of a man.

So if she pursues being with Michaela does this mean she'll give up her desire to have a child? Will she realize that her need for a child isn't necessarily based on her desire for one for herself but because she feels she is expected to OR will she genuinely feel like she gave up something she wants just to be with Michaela because they know they cannot have biological children of their own together?

So many questions.

Curious what the answer will be.

OPINION: I personally think the story would've been stronger if Francesca came to this realization of wanting to have a child of her own again after seeing Eloise get married to a man with two children which would link both her and Eloise's stories together and seeing the unconventional family model of adoptive children/step children that Eloise ended up having could show Francesca that it is possible to have a family with Michaela despite the fact that it's not necessarily by blood relation but taking an orphaned child and choosing to raise them as her own. That's if she desires to have children because she genuinely wants them. That's one of the reasons why I think a season switch wouldn't have made sense if Francesca really wanted children for herself.

If they go the route that Francesca desires children because that's what society expects of her then I guess it won't matter because the reason for children isn't based on something she's missing in life and when she marries Michaela she won't feel like she gave up anything.

The engagement rings for each of the ladies we've seen on the show have been shown to be period accurate with smaller diamonds, colored gemstones and pearls.

Which one is your favorite?

For me, Sophie's engagement ring is superior over the other rings. I'm not a big fan of the pearls for the other brides and it just feels like they were the same rings in different font, especially Kate and Penelope's rings.

Sophie's is also the prettiest because it has a ruby colored gemstone and I'm a big fan of colored diamonds! Ruby, emeralds, sapphire and topaz being my favorites. ​

The Duke aka Simon Basset's crown has yet to be tipped when it comes to the face card of male leads. He's got such a remarkable face card!

All the men are handsome and gorgeous in their own individual ways but man... Rege Jean Page was BEAUTIFUL!

Thank you to @/sovereignheritage on TikTok for this because it's better articulated and researched than how I could have ever compiled it but there's definitely a reason why they chose Francesca as the queer one because it would make the most realistic sense.

Not to mention, women in Scotland could inherit titles and estates because their rules of succession aren't as strict as English rules were so Michaela will be Countess of Kilmartin.

P. S. I'm addressing the comments of those who said a lesbian romance like Franchaela would've been historically inaccurate to the time period as to why it shouldn't have happened.

According to Jess Brownell, there will be three/four core characters that will be important in Eloise's season and story.

• Benedict and Sophie
• Kate
• Penelope

Now whether any of these things come into fruition and in what capacity they are all important remains to be seen because Jess has a history of overexemplifying/overstating and exaggerating the importance of certain characters in seasons.

For instance, I don't really expect Kate to be such a CRUCIAL role in Philoise's season because they are barely using her now.

I think if anything Kate will probably be present in Eloise's season to offer advice to her in a scene or two and then we don't see her again until the wedding probably.

Before S3, Jess said we will see more of Eloise and Kate's friendship and bond and we only got that one scene of them together in S3.

So it's good to keep our expectations low for our faves having any significant subplot in Eloise's season.

With Nicola having significantly less screentime in S5 as well, I don't expect Penelope to suddenly appear as a secondary character in Eloise's season either.

Yes, they are best friends and of course Penelope will be involved in Eloise's love story but I do not think they will give Penelope or Colin some BIG MEATY subplot in her season. Penelope wasn't even in Eloise's book.

I also think whatever Benophies subplot in S6 will be significantly reduced from the major subplot they had in Eloise's book as well.

Jess already promised that Philoise's season will be different from the book. I'm prepared to see a lot of changes and lots of cuts of storylines from the books.

This is so funny to me actually because this screams Eloise to me in preparation for her season.

I find it so funny that the siblings who had their seasons swapped/delayed are the fan favorite sibling duo who are against convention.

It's almost so on brand for them to not follow tradition even in their season order 😂

I keep thinking about the day we will see Eloise as a lead and seeing her journey as she falls in love with someone, have all the romantic love scenes that all the other siblings have had, give/receive those bridgerton love confessions and experiences her sexual awakening.

It doesn't fathom in my head we will actually see Eloise having a love story. Everyone deserves to be loved even Eloise.

And it pains me to think so many people do not want that for Eloise. They want her to never be loved loudly, to never be touched lovingly, to never be seen or appreciated by the partner who will support her for the rest of her life.

Eloise deserves an epic romance! I'm so excited for her season.

And it's always the ones who you least expect to find love to be the ones who love HARD and I think Eloise will be the one who will be hit the hardest when it comes to love because she never thought it would happen for her 😭

And it's always the ones who aren't love crazy and wouldn't normally fantasize or dream about sex who are the freakiest as well so we can be sure Eloise is gonna be a certified freak 👀.

The reluctant lovers are always hit like a tsunami when they meet the person who makes them believe that love is possible for them and that internal battle between wanting to hold onto your singleness and independence vs. letting yourself be loved and appreciated by someone and giving that same love and devotion to someone else is going to be such a joy to watch.

Her season will be the most interesting for sure. Can't wait for it to come out in 2052.

I have my problems with Jess Brownell and how she's handling Eloise's story so far but I can say with full confidence I have no doubts that she will have Eloise end up with Phillip.

She said so on a number of interviews in the S4 press that she will end up with the love interest from the book and she never said Phillip by name because unfortunately it's a spoiler (and I hate that they're treating it as a spoiler because the name is on the cover of the book. It's TO SIR PHILLIP WITH LOVE).

So anyone still having doubts or having hopes for a different endgame need to put that to bed.

But we can hope that it won't be book accurate so we can imagine they're going a different direction for Phillip and Eloise's love story while keeping the core beats of the book which I think can be a good thing.

I, like many people, have been so dissatisfied with the way Eloise has been written in the past 2 seasons of the show.

Although she made some strides in Part 2 or S4, it still feels like we're treading the same waters over and over...and over...and over again with the material they keep giving Eloise every season.

It's like she is forced to learn the same lessons again and again and somehow every season she manages to piss off another one of her sisters or friends who she had to apologize to in the end...

Don't get me started on what they keep giving her for her relationship with Violet who is making her stance against marriage snd love seem like some childish, immature tantrum that Eloise needs to get over which is so... ICKY imo.

There's a nuanced way they could've approached Eloise's disdain for the marriage mart without making it a "Eloise is just an immature girl who will grow out of this phase in her life once Violet knocks some sense into her".

But I suppose it's more realistic that a Regency era noble woman like Violet would think that way about her daughter's disinterest in marriage...

But they could've given Eloise better material to work with surely other than only complaining about the marriage mart and debutantes.

It's getting tired and boring frankly.

And again she is constantly used as the anti-romance character which is kind of odd for such a romance focused series and they sort of make her seem like an antagonist in a romance show which isn't how they should be using such a modern, progressive character like Eloise.

That's why I really enjoyed Eloise in the first 2 seasons and I love what they did with her character (for the most part). They made her so interesting and gave her such interesting storylines.

Even the storylines I despise the most for her like the whole Lady Whistledown hunt that was repetitive the first 2 seasons, was still interesting because it allowed us to see her play an active role in actually DOING something for herself. She was an investigative detective living her Nancy Drew era and I loved that for her so much. ​​

Even the addition of Theo (which in hindsight I have problems with) allowed us to see a side of Eloise we have never seen and that's her being open to romance and seeing how she acts just like every other teenage girl when she meets a cute guy that intrigues her and dispels any notion that she was anti-love or anti-romance.

But S3 and S4 have torpedoed all that development and sent her back to square one and I can't help but attribute that to the showrunner switch.

CVD clearly had plans for Eloise and I think he mentioned before that Eloise is his favorite character (don't quote me) so I can only imagine how many cool ideas we could've gotten from him with Eloise if he stayed for S3 and S4. Eloise could've had a university arc that she's always wanted since S1 or something... She could have formed friendships with women of the working class or something I don't know.

She could've had so many fun storylines under CVD and we probably would've SEE Phillip on the show a lot more and made him an actual supporting character to set up their season because it's no coincidence that all the times we saw Phillip was when CVD was the showrunner.

Now she's just...stuck .

CVD had big plans for Eloise but we will never know what they were...

And that's what I'm mourning.

"What if"...

I love Eloise so much and I wish she was written by showrunners and writers who loved her just as much as her core fans do.

I can't imagine they just throw Eloise into her season expecting the audience to just accept that she's going to be this woman who is ready for love and marriage and everything her siblings have without any sort of narrative arc and reasons why she got to that place.

I don't want her to be just relegated to a one off line at the end of S5 that tells us she is ready for love. 🙄

Although I dont agree with CVDs choices during his tenure as showrunner (please for the love of God no more love triangles) I did love what he did with Eloise for the most part and that's because he LOVES Eloise.

Queer relationships especially lesbian relationships have been around for centuries and so contrary to the belief of certain naysayers, it's totally possible for a lesbian relationship to exist in the world of Bridgerton (which is already a historical fantasy fictional world of our world anyway where racism doesn't exist anymore and we have a black English queen).

So Franchaela can have a happily ever after if they take inspiration from Boston marriages.

Women were encouraged to have companions and female friendships and it wasn't illegal for two women to live together as it would've been for two men to cohabitate in a non-family way.

They can make it work. They can even have a wedding for Franchaela even in a church before God (see Anne Lister and Ann Walker for reference).