Rough and Tumble Smallsword Ruleset (makes rapier look wimpy)
▲ 82 r/Savate+2 crossposts

Rough and Tumble Smallsword Ruleset (makes rapier look wimpy)

My custom ruleset for a hybrid smallsword and savate sparring game. It may be a little too rough and tumble for the faint of heart and playing on a soft surface like grass or mats may be more comfortable. Some may like a mouth guard in addition to fencing gear but if play is responsible shouldn't be required. This is getting into folk game territory admittedly.

Core Rules:

Thrusts only. All Jackpot points +1 are granted upon a single clean thrust. Simultaneous thrusts result with no points awarded. Instead, add 1 point to the Jackpot held in limbo. The first fencer to score 21 points and lead by 2 points wins the assault.

The jackpot is a way to positively reinforce clean fencing as it does not award doubles. Instead it uses doubles to increase the ponderation of the next clean hit. It is meant to synergize wasted time into game design while adding a wee bit of drama. Cheering and heckling is encouraged.

Rough and Tumble Rules:

Kicks, trips, and open hand pushes carry 0 direct points.

Instant Win: Knocking an opponent to the ground (anything above the ankle touching the ground) using a chassé medium, revers bas, coup de pied bas, or main ouverte opens an instant win condition. Landing a clean thrust on the grounded opponent delivers the instant match victory.

Ground Defense: Downed fencers may defend themselves until they are back on two feet upon which ends the instant win condition for their opponent. If a fencer chooses an action like the passata sotto that fencer does open himself/herself to the instant win condition until back on two feet only. Tackling, closed fists, wrestling, grabbing and throwing opponents are strictly prohibited.

Legal Savate Striking & Sweeping Suite

  1. Mid-Level Push Kicks (Chassé Medium)

Execution: A direct piston-like push kick delivered with the sole or heel to the opponent's body (strictly below the collarbone for safety).

  1. Low Hook Kicks (Revers Bas)

Execution: A sweeping or hooking kick targeted below the knee, using the boot or instep to hook behind the lead heel or calf.

  1. Low Sweeping Trips & Clears (Coup de Pied Bas / Croche)

Execution: A low, sweeping kick or boot-trip targeted at the opponent's shin or ankle, scooping their foot out from under their center of gravity.

  1. Open-Hand Deflections (Main Ouverte)

Execution: Pushing, redirecting, or catching the opponent's lead shoulder, wrist, or weapon arm with the non-fencing hand to disrupt balance or unmask the target area.

Peace to us all 🌞

u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 23 hours ago
▲ 39 r/Hema

Where did all the single stick and leather dussack people go?

Are there more fun folk games within non-steel HEMA?

u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 1 day ago
▲ 9 r/Hema

10 Second Parry Explanation (How would you explain them in 10 seconds?)

Use movements that require the shortest time to parry (TTP)

Parry cuts: Turn knuckles toward the opponent's blade to deflect with forte of your blade. If sharp and biting, a 30ish degree edge to edge parry instead of 90 degree may have less resistance.

Parry thrusts: Using your blade, deflect the opponent's point to whichever side of your thumb requires the shortest distance to fully clear your target area.

How would you explain how to perform parries in 10 seconds or less? Could you expect one to remember the traditional numbered system or labels in that amount of time?

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u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 2 days ago
▲ 63 r/Hema

Experience with elite/exclusive subcultures within sword arts?

What has been people's experience with an elitist or exclusive mindset within their own sword art journeys? This could be HEMA, a subculture of HEMA, MOF Fencing, or any African/Asian/Middle Eastern sword disciplines. I enjoyed HEMA immensely for military sabre as I liked bridging the gaps to what lead to Olympic Sabre which is a silly game of tag that I do enjoy because humbly, I freaking rocked at tag as a kid!

In my experience HEMA began with the study of dead martial arts and seemed to lack the elite exclusive culture I have encountered in MOF Fencing and Japanese disciplines; even though these elite types are far less common than their humble and kind clubmates as a whole. I think because when repairing something like a dead martial art one tends to want to share what has been restored. I'm not sure if price of kit can properly be factored into this but if you have experience I'd like to know about how price affected your experience as well.

Times change, with the more sporty HEMA tournaments (I don't go to them) how is the temperature with that?

Edit: A comedic purposeful smallsword club built on satyr elitism would actually be really fun!

Thank you for commenting with your human experience.

Peace to us all

u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 3 days ago
▲ 7 r/Hema

Sabre Mechanics Work Great With This Kukri

Link to the Kukri: https://everestforge.com/gurkha-saxon-warrior-kukri-for-sale?srsltid=AfmBOootoV-DXM1dhHkX5MOwInZFsqzyYBgGwn_qJGsL7MBpoqGxvOV3

I had the pleasure of handling this 15" bladed Kukri from Everest Forge and was amazed that it was not as axe-like as I had assumed. It felt the same or a little less weight about as my Radaelli sabre and was balanced just as good. Moulinets with this big knife were just as if I had a well balanced sabre. I don't know how the Napal inhabitants actually use them but both direct cuts and moulinets were well behaved. The blade did have noticeable distill taper, a fuller, and was scalloped so whoever made it really wanted a nimble blade for its size.

This would be a good buy if one was looking for a big knife that sabre skills could easily transfer to in practical terms for cheap backyard water bottles and outdoor work. Be careful, the one I handled was extremely sharp along with the smaller utility seax that smartly is part of the kit. A forward curving blade now makes lots of sense to me for big knives after handling them. Where a backward curve on a knife shortened my reach, the forward curve kept the knife ergonomic for my wrist and effective at transferring energy. One change I would make martially would be to not leave my arm hanging out in front due to 0 hand protection. One would need an active defense to keep all their fingies.

Gurkha Saxon Warrior Kukri Specifications Total Weight (with dap): 1.260 kg Weight (without dap): 0.840 kg Main Kukri Weight: 0.630 kg Seax Knife Weight: 0.210 kg Total Length (Kukri): 21 inches Main Kukri Blade Length: 15 inches Main Kukri Handle Length: 6 inches Main Kukri Blade Width: 2 inches Seax Knife Total Length: 11 inches Seax Blade Length: 6 inches Seax Handle Length: 5 inches Seax Blade Width: 1.4 inches

Peace to us all

u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 4 days ago
▲ 52 r/iaido

New To Iaido & Customizing Sword Fittings

Short Version:

Best Iaido YouTube Channels?

Where to source custom Katana/wakizashi fittings?

Full version:

Greetings, I am new to iaido coming from years of instructing Olympic/classical fencing (epee/sabre) and studying historical Italian longsword. The only other Asian art I practice is traditional Korean archery (I'm half S. Korean) so I have a very eclectic approach.

I only want to do iaido for myself and not instruct people. Keeping up on MOF fencing certs is already too costly for what it is. Can anyone recommend a solid YouTube iaido channel I could follow along with? Preferably an authentic Japanese channel with iaido playlist. I know going to a class is best but right now that is not an option for me. I have the book Flashing Steel and think it is one of the best sword books I have in my martial Arts library. Again this is purely a private hobby for me and I'm ok with being a beginner at it for the rest of my life.

I am very interested in the 16th/17th century era of Christian persecution within Japan as a scholarly study as well. I am attempting to slowly build a Kirishitan sword set that uses Christian symbols for the fittings. I had this budget Romance of Men (terrible name btw for a store) dulled katana engraved with part of Luke 22:38 with the two swords verse and plan to work on the wakizashi later as a Kirishitan set. If anyone knows where I could source Japanese-Christian symbol types of fittings either authentic or replica I would also be very grateful.

Thank you kindly.

よろしくお願いします

u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 5 days ago
▲ 460 r/Hema

The #1 Reason War Hammers Should Not Be Overlooked

To my free HEMA hobbyists, I present to you the war hammer. Don't overlook this hard to safely spar gem. Let it inspire your solo workouts to become stronger, faster, and mobile at sparring. Instead of a replica, a sledge hammer/tire, heavy club, and kettlebells are obviously going to give the best practical movement full body workouts but let that primal imagination of wielding a medieval war hammer flow through you as you prep your body with those workout tools. Try it in your HEMA kit and identify weak spots with comfort and mobility of your armor before heading off to the next sparring session. Then CAREFULLY cool down with a heavy club flow state using a medieval replica.

That is what a practical minded person might say about war hammers. I'm not one of them. No. The #1 reason to have a war hammer is because when humanity is done building and arming robots, swords will simply not "cut" it. To take down what's coming next will take blunt force and a beak. Pack some ceramic plates behind your gambesons too because in the words of Han Solo, "You're gonna need it."

What medieval weapon / tool would you use?

My Fencing Upkeep Workout KB and Heavy Clubs 3-4 Sets:

KB Swing x 40, KB Clean x 20, KB Snatch x 15

KB Goblet squat x 30, KB Press x 15, KB Jerk x 15

Heavy Club Windmill x 40, heavy Club Squat half mill x 16, KB Halos x 16, KB Goblet Squat to Curls x 15

u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 6 days ago
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I Was Once Closed Minded About Orthopedic Grips Until I Fed My Goldfish By Hand

Though orthopedic grips are sometimes seen as just hamfisted MOF pistol grips by our HEMA community, they were designed by Italians around 1904-ish to help those who could not properly grip a foil due to injury to continue fencing. As pictured you can see that chef's kiss grip being facilitated by the orthopedic grip with 3 and 4 fingers respectively. Also featured is a drawing of grips from Giordano Rossi. If not used as a punch dagger, the orthopedic grips do allow and enhance fine motor skills and dexterity if one's mindset is to do that.

I would like to ask if anyone has experience with the Spanish smallsword by timebladeguild? [found here](https://timebladeguild.com/) It looks interesting to say the least and I am very intrigued by its modern garden art charm. Wanted to know if it caused discomfort or blisters.

Here are some video reviews of the Spanish smallsword courtesy of: https://www.reddit.com/user/Dull_Detail_6606/ timebladeguild

LondonLongsword

https://youtu.be/hGNNFRI7E9U?is=Gzf2wn8sDggtnSJ7

OliverJanseps

https://youtu.be/KctqRV48wKY?is=GIdLl0Ei6e0jwdVR

As always here is the Wayback's Jackpot Mode training game you might enjoy: Jackpot points +1 are granted upon a single clean hit or upon an immediate parry riposte (this means no marching in between the parry and riposte for any Olympic types out there) then reset the points held in the jackpot to 0. Simultaneous Hits result with no points awarded. Instead, add 1 point to the Jackpot held in limbo. The first fencer to score 21 points and lead by 2 points wins the assault.

Peace to us all

u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 8 days ago
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Longsword and Katana Don't Compare

STOP! A WARNING TO READERS! Admittedly I was testing the waters with this post on purpose. Wanted to see the data of a post that would most likely generate negative feedback given our sword culture's temperature of today while simultaneously refraining from outright attacking anyone. I wanted to see how much of an echo chamber the culture has become. If you managed to stay positive, thank you and may your inner peace last 😊 As always you are free to dawn your armchairs and ready your keyboards if you feel a call to arms is required.

Social Media culture routinely pairs the Japanese katana with the European longsword as natural cultural equivalents. However, a proper historical analysis reveals that the katana shares far more cultural, functional, and mythological DNA with the 19th-century American revolver.

Indubitably, both weapons occupy near-identical niches in the collective imaginations of their respective nations. Here is why:

Civilian Sidearms of an Era of Peace: The longsword was primarily a military weapon of late medieval battlefield warfare and noble dueling. Conversely, the iconic era of the katana—the Tokugawa Shogunate—was defined by over two centuries of internal peace. Much like the Colt Single Action Army in the American West, the katana transitioned from a larger primary weapon of open war to the ubiquitous sidearm of daily civilian wear, symbolizing personal authority, law enforcement, and individual self-defense.

The Culture of the Quick-Draw: The defining technique of late katana martial arts is Iaijutsu (or Iaido)—the art of drawing the blade and striking in a single, instantaneous motion directly from the scabbard. This mirrors the romanticized quick-draw ethos of the Western gunslinger. Neither knightly longsword manuals nor battlefield doctrines prioritized the "draw-and-strike" duel from a hip holster in everyday encounters.

Cinematic Intertwining: It is no accident that Japanese Chanbara cinema and American Westerns translate seamlessly into one another. Akira Kurosawa’s Yojimbo became Sergio Leone’s A Fistful of Dollars, and Seven Samurai became The Magnificent Seven. The solitary samurai wandering into a lawless town with a katana on his belt is the exact narrative archetype of the lone gunslinger arriving with a revolver on his hip.

Symbolic Mythology Beyond Practicality: As military technology rendered both weapons battlefield-obsolete, they transformed into legendary symbols of a romanticized honor code—the idealized Bushido mythos for the samurai, and the "Code of the West" for the frontier shooter. Both were elevated from simple tools of steel and iron into mythic extensions of the individual's moral character.

While the longsword remains a fine weapon of knightly warfare, the katana and the revolver are cultural soulmates born of transitional frontiers, personal duels, and cinematic legend.

Feel free to check out a fun game for Military Sabre:https://www.reddit.com/r/Hema/comments/1vlmk43/waybacks_jackpot_mode_sabre_edition/

u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 8 days ago
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Wayback's Jackpot Mode Sabre Edition

Base game: Jackpot points +1 are granted upon a single clean hit or upon an immediate parry riposte (this means no marching in between the parry and riposte for any Olympic types out there) then reset the points held in the jackpot to 0. Simultaneous Hits result with no points awarded. Instead, add 1 point to the Jackpot held in limbo. The first fencer to score 21 points and lead by 2 points wins the assault.

Advanced Training: To make this a game that slowly trains a full sabre suite: choose specific action/s to designate per assault that will grant jackpot points. this can include hits to designated targets of the body.

Designated Clean Hit: The designated action/s resulting in a clean hit (such as a parry riposte) scores 1 point and awards all points currently in limbo via the Jackpot. The Jackpot then resets to 0.

Undesignated Single hit: A single, uncontested hit achieved without using the designated action/s scores 1 point, but does not alter or award the Jackpot points.

Simultaneous Hit (Double Hit): No points are awarded. Instead, add 1 point to the Jackpot held in limbo.

Winning the Assault: The first fencer to score 21 points and lead by 2 points wins the assault.

The jackpot acts as a way to train specific actions, techniques, and strategies to fencers and recycle simultaneous calls in a fun way that alleviates stress from a judge to get every call correct. The pressure from the assaulting fencers is taken off the judge and now has a symbiotic relationship within game design via the jackpot held in limbo. Thoughts?

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u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 9 days ago

Fun Electric Sabre Ref Training Game

Base game: Wayback's Jackpot Mode Electric Sabre Set the scoring machine lockout time to 90ms. Attack priority granted upon physical parry only (training aspiring refs to look for parries). For very new fencers I wrap the forte in neon gaffers tape as a visual training aid so they instinctively know and can easily track the parrying portion of the blade. I've had viewers not fencing thank me for making it easier for them to understand what was going on. Tape for the win!

Advanced: To make this a game that slowly trains fencers to ref: choose 1 specific action at a time that will grant priority for the ref in training to look for and judge. then slowly add in more actions at a time until there are less and less simultaneous calls and more official sabre rules in place.

Designated Touch: The designated action/s resulting in a valid touch through gained priority (such as a parry riposte) scores 1 point and awards all points currently in limbo via the Jackpot. The Jackpot then resets to 0.

Undesignated Single Touch: A single, uncontested light on the box achieved without using the designated priority action. Scores 1 point, but does not alter or award the Jackpot.

Simultaneous Touch (Double Hit): No points are awarded. Instead, add 1 point to the Jackpot held in limbo.

Winning the Assault: The first fencer to score 21 points and lead by 2 points wins the assault. Adjust this and the lockout time to official points as the refs in training become more comfortable and experienced.

The jackpot acts as a way to recycle simultaneous calls in a fun way that alleviates stress from a new ref in training to get every call correct. The pressure from the assaulting fencers is taken off the ref and now has a symbiotic relationship within game design via the jackpot held in limbo. Thoughts?

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u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 9 days ago
▲ 226 r/Fencing+2 crossposts

Modern Sabre Is Actually A Smallsword!

Ah, greetings, my fencing friends. I was perusing the archives at The Metropolitan Museum of Art when I made a most extraordinary discovery. It appears modern Olympic sabre fencers have been playing us all for fools. Observe this exquisite artifact.

Object Specifications:

Title: Smallsword in the Spanish Style

Date: ca. 1775 Culture: Spanish Medium: Steel, gold, wood, textile

Dimensions: Length: 40 in. (101.6 cm); Blade: 33 5/8 in. (85.4 cm); Weight: 1 lb. 1 oz. (482 g)

Classification: Swords Credit Line: Gift of Jean Jacques Reubell, 1926

Object Number: 26.145.295

Now, let us apply a bit of elementary arithmetic. This particular Spanish weapon was designed for both cut and thrust, with a straight blade weighing a tidy 482 grams (1.1 lbs). A standard modern electric sabre maxes out at a regulated 500 grams. If one imagines with moderate intellectual vigor, modern Olympic sabre shares far more physical statistics with this 18th-century Spanish smallsword than with any heavy military cavalry sabre of the era. Do you see my "point"?

Feel free to check out my custom sabre training ruleset for HEMA! https://www.reddit.com/r/Hema/comments/1vlmk43/waybacks_jackpot_mode_sabre_edition/

u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 10 days ago
▲ 1 r/Hema

HEMA short blades can benefit from Kalis Ilustrisimo?

Thoughts on a study of the more sword-like kalis Ilustrisimo with shorter Western blades like dussack? Seems to have a fair share of Spanish cut and thrust sword and dagger DNA. It also shows practical ways to use the empty off hand maybe better than some traditional sources we use. The footwork and distance management seems to be very similar to thought and execution of fencing. I appreciate the diagonal retreats off the X. Anyone else?

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u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 13 days ago
▲ 0 r/wma

Peasant HEMA?

What would be the legally safest adventuring self defense kit of a peasant on a medieval Europe trek across the kingdoms? I'd play it safe with a staff, belt hatchet, and hunting knife. What would your defensive peasant kit be for a multi kingdom trek back then and what treatise would you recommend? Take into consideration laws and cultural norms of medieval European kingdoms of your choosing. Most my knowledge about medieval peasants comes from Age of Empires 2. Also feel free to check out my ruleset mutator at: https://www.reddit.com/r/Hema/comments/1vcytzo/we_made_doubles_fun/

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u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 13 days ago
▲ 13 r/Hema

Peasant HEMA?

What would be the legally safest adventuring self defense kit of a peasant on a medieval Europe trek across the kingdoms? I'd play it safe with a staff, belt hatchet, and hunting knife. What would your defensive peasant kit be for a multi kingdom trek back then and what treatise would you recommend? Take into consideration laws and cultural norms of medieval European kingdoms of your choosing. Most my knowledge about medieval peasants comes from Age of Empires 2. Also feel free to check out my ruleset mutator at: https://www.reddit.com/r/Hema/comments/1vcytzo/we_made_doubles_fun/

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u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 13 days ago
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A different silly Western Sword vs katana question

If George Silver could only own 1 sword his whole life for self defense, battle, duels, and his only options were Italian Rapier or Japanese Katana which do you think he would choose?

Context: Silver's time, geography, culture, language, biases.

Counter Context: Your own time, geography, culture, language, biases.

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u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 15 days ago
▲ 1 r/Savate

Sparring Rule Mutator For Fun

I have a zany rule mutator that might interest you if you spar for points. I developed it to encourage defense and thoughtful offense for fencing and thought maybe I should get feedback from a similar empty handed discipline. I like to view things from different perspectives. Thank you kindly.

Wayback's Jackpot Mode: Play using your martial art and point-based ruleset of choice, then add the following modifiers.

Single Touch (Single Clean Hit): A Single Touch scores 1 point and awards all points currently in limbo via the Jackpot. The Jackpot then resets to 0.

Simultaneous Touch (Double Hit): No points are awarded. Instead, add 1 point to the Jackpot held in limbo.

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u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 15 days ago

Sparring Rule Mutator For Fun

I have a zany rule mutator that might interest you if you spar for points. I developed it to encourage defense and thoughtful offense for fencing and thought maybe I should get feedback from a similar empty handed discipline. I like to view things from different perspectives. Thank you kindly.

Wayback's Jackpot Mode: Play using your martial art and point-based ruleset of choice, then add the following modifiers.

Single Touch (Single Clean Hit):
A Single Touch scores 1 point and awards all points currently in limbo via the Jackpot. The Jackpot then resets to 0.

Simultaneous Touch (Double Hit):
No points are awarded. Instead, add 1 point to the Jackpot held in limbo.

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u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 15 days ago
▲ 5 r/lightsabercombat+1 crossposts

We Made Doubles Fun!

We know we play a lot of modified fencing games at our club but I think this arcade style modifier might be a lot of fun for anyone Modern, Classical, HEMA, and Lightsaber. Feel free to try it out!

Purpose: Change the psychology of simultaneous touches and turn the event into a resource that promotes clean fencing in a fun way.

Wayback's Jackpot Mode

Play using your weapon and ruleset of choice, then add the following modifiers.

Single Touch

A Single Touch scores 1 point and awards all points currently in the Jackpot. The Jackpot then resets to 0.

Simultaneous Touch

No points are awarded. Instead, add 1 point to the Jackpot.

Winning the Assault

The first fencer to score 21 points and lead by 2 points wins the assault.

Optional

For a simpler, self-officiated game, players may choose to remove right of way. In this variant, any uncontested valid touch is treated as a Single Touch, and any exchange in which both fencers land valid touches is treated as a Simultaneous Touch. It can get silly be prepared to laugh.

"OP's right, it doesn't reward doubles. Instead, doubles increase the ponderation of the next single. That's brilliant ^(^)

This way, a fencer focusing on doubling to deny his opponent singles as much as possible (while being unable to carry out an action awarding himself a single) is only delaying the moment his opponent reaps the points stored in the jackpot. Compared to "no point for doubles" rules, the scum doubling is even less effective of a strategy.

I love the idea, it sets the right incentives and add a high stake component usually absent when all rounds score independantly. Gonna try it for sure!" - Gobzarakay

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u/Foreign-Falcon7808 — 16 days ago