When Did Hollywood Stop Listening to Its Own Audience?

I genuinely don't understand when Hollywood decided that its relationship with its audience should become adversarial. For decades, the basic formula was pretty simple, make something people love, listen to what those people respond to, give them more of it, and make a lot of money in the process. But somewhere over the last decade or so, it increasingly feels like major studios stopped asking, “What do our fans want to see?” and started saying, “We're going to tell you what you should want to see.”

Look at what has happened to some of the biggest franchises in entertainment. Star Wars, Star Trek, Disney's classic properties like TRON, the MCU, and now the DC universe have all experienced some degree of audience frustration, while Tolkien's Middle-earth and Stargate are increasingly being subjected to creative decisions that seem disconnected from what originally made those properties beloved. I'm horrified seeing what appears to be happening with the X-Men for their coming. These aren't obscure little properties with five fans on the internet. We're talking about enormous, established fanbases that have spent decades buying tickets, merchandise, books, games, subscriptions and collectibles and keeping these franchises alive. And that's the part I don't understand. Why fight your customers?

There is nothing wrong with changing things, taking risks, introducing new characters, or telling stories with different perspectives. Great franchises have always evolved. But there is a massive difference between expanding a universe and fundamentally changing what people loved about it while dismissing the audience that built the franchise in the first place. When fans repeatedly tell you what they love, what they don't like, and what they would gladly pay to see, ignoring them isn't artistic courage. At some point, it's just bad business.

What makes it even stranger is that Hollywood has access to more audience data than at any other point in history. They can see what people watch, what they rewatch, what they buy, what they talk about, what they abandon and what they refuse to pay for. The information is sitting right in front of them. Yet there seems to be a growing tendency to believe that the audience needs to be educated rather than listened to and maybe that's the real problem. Some executives and creators seem to have forgotten that being a fan isn't an obstacle to making art, it's the reason the art has an audience in the first place. Fans aren't merely consumers waiting to be corrected. They're the people who kept these stories alive between movies and television shows. They read the books, bought the toys, played the games, attended conventions, introduced their children to the characters and spent decades building communities around these fictional worlds.

Hollywood doesn't have to give fans exactly what they demand. Artists should absolutely be allowed to create. But if a studio repeatedly ignores the people who love a property, insults their intelligence when they complain, changes the fundamental character of the franchise, and then wonders why attendance and enthusiasm decline, eventually it has to look in the mirror. The frustrating thing is that I don't think audiences are asking for anything unreasonable. We want good stories. We want compelling characters. We want the worlds we've loved to be respected. We want new ideas that actually feel like they belong in those worlds. And most importantly, we want to feel like the people making these things actually like the things they're making. Hollywood doesn't need to agree with every fan. It doesn't need to surrender creative control. But it might be worth remembering a very old lesson from business, listen to your customers.

Because ultimately, we're not obligated to keep buying something simply because we loved what it used to be.

And if Hollywood keeps treating its own audience like the enemy, eventually the audience may simply stop showing up.

u/Hot-Bit-2003 — 1 day ago

What daily prayers are you doing that you never miss?

Going through catechumen now. I'm about 4 months into my Orthodox journey and I've been using the Athon app for my daily prayers, but just recently they changed and became significantly longer. For my morning prayer I have for the opening prayers the Initial Blessing, Glory to Thee, O Heavenly King, and the Trisagion Prayers then the prayer to the Holy Trinity, Prayer to the Theotokos, Prayer to the Guardian Angel, Prayer to Patron Saint, and then the closing prayer. The midday seems even longer and the nightly prayer is almost as long as the morning prayer. Coming from protestant background they do seem very long but are you guys doing the same or are you saying daily versions that are shorter? Just wondering.

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u/Hot-Bit-2003 — 20 days ago
▲ 151 r/lafayette

What "development and growth" look like in Lafayette, Ind

I feel like in 5-10 years all the "growth" Lafayette will see developed by the local planning, zoning, and building authorities will be this:

u/Hot-Bit-2003 — 1 month ago

Anyone interested in playing and being a part of a more Christian DnD group?

Just putting this out there to see what kind of response I get but I'm looking because the group we play with currently is growing in a way we're a little uncomfortable with. They have mocked our faith despite us trying not being pushy about it, but sometimes it comes up because it's a part of our lives, you know. It's just getting a bit uncomfortable. But, at this point I'm just seeing if they are others out there who would be interested in a playing in a more Christian-oriented group. Looking more for Saturdays if possible.

Respond if you're interested. :)

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u/Hot-Bit-2003 — 1 month ago

Pastor not taking our conversion well

My family became catechumens about a month ago. We come from the WELS Lutheran tradition, and my family has been Lutheran for generations.

Like many converts, this wasn't an overnight decision. For the past few years I had been wrestling with the desire for what I can only describe as a deeper expression of the Christian faith. Eventually, the Lord led me to Orthodoxy, a Church I honestly knew very little about. As I began studying the history, the liturgy, the writings of the Fathers, and the continuity of the Church from the time of Christ and the Apostles, I found myself wondering, "Where has this been all my life?" My family and I finally feel like we've come home.

Then we told our former pastor.

He's a younger pastor, and when we shared that we were becoming Orthodox, the conversation quickly turned into criticism of Orthodoxy with several dismissive comments. When my wife said that Orthodoxy is the faith handed down by the Apostles, his response was, "Well, I know they like to believe they are, but you'd have to do some serious historical gymnastics to prove that."

That really disappointed me. I wasn't expecting him to agree with us, but I did hope he would ask questions, try to understand why we were leaving, or at least have a respectful conversation. Instead, it immediately felt adversarial.

To make things a little more awkward, we had already committed months ago to help with something at our former church, so we attended one last service yesterday.

For the first time in my life, I experienced the service very differently. After attending Divine Liturgy, Vespers, and Matins, everything felt unfamiliar in a way I wasn't expecting. I realized how much my understanding of worship had changed over the past several months. I don't mean that disrespectfully toward my former church, it was simply a moment where I realized I couldn't see things the same way anymore. My heart just longed to be back in the liturgical worship of the Orthodox Church.

After the service, our former pastor asked to speak with us. Instead of simply asking why we were leaving, he said he wanted to come to our home and speak with our entire family so that each of us could personally tell him we were converting.

That request made me very uncomfortable. It felt like it crossed a boundary. I'm willing to explain why we've chosen this path, but I'm concerned the conversation will simply turn into a debate aimed at convincing us to return and to put us back in our box.

For those of you who converted from Protestantism—especially if you had close relationships with your former pastors—how did you handle situations like this? Is it appropriate to politely decline a meeting in our home? Should I meet with him one last time, or simply thank him for everything he's done and move forward?

I'd really appreciate hearing how others have navigated this with both charity and firmness.

**UPDATE

Well, he did end up coming over and speaking with the family. I absolutely should've listened to you guys and just said thanks but no thanks because it was an absolutely grueling and infuriating visit. You guys were so right about the weird behvavior and nothing good coming from him coming over to "talk". He continually tried beating us back down by trying to correct everything we said, he made lite of our experiences so far with orthodoxy calling the venerating of the Saints and Mary (in the way that we do) and the seriousness of Vespers, Matins, and Liturgy, and the devotion of living the orthodox way in our lives, and trying to stick with the Prayer Rule, just all of it, "Bells and Whistles" he called it. He tried diluting how much deeper we feel with Christ as just that, that we switched because it 'felt' good, alluding that there wasn't any real substance to it. But the best part was when he tried to get us to believe that Lutheranism goes back to the Pentecost and Orthodoxy can only 'claim' their faith traces back to the Apostles. My dad about lost it on that one. He also said they have Matins and Vespers and practice fasting, but I've been Lutheran all of my life and have never seen that, especially at the church he took over that we're now leaving. The whole visit was emotional chaos for us through moments of held in anger and frustration and bewilderment at his behavior. And at the end he said he had hoped this visit would've given way to second visit to continue the conversation. Ha! I don't know if I'm more upset with myself for letting the visit happen or with the pastor, but I know I had a dream last night that I had let a snake into my home and my mother who passed back in 2021 from the Covid was there in the dream and took my arm and told me to let it go. So, I just wanted to update you guys on how it went, but I think I'll take her advice now. We have catechumen class tonight and I know he'll want an update too. Seriously disappointing that a pastor of any faith would act like this or treat people leaving their church like this. All he had to do was wish us well, maybe ask a couple of questions to understand, pray for us and maybe even let us know we're welcome back if we change our minds. That was all.

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u/Hot-Bit-2003 — 2 months ago
▲ 2 r/ccnp

Data Center AI cert - are there any learning materials besides spending $1000 with Cisco U.?

I'm talking about the CCNP DCI 300-640 specialty cert. Found some questionable prep exams on Udemy with no ratings and a course on Cisco U. that is entirely out of my price range.

Has anyone else taken this certification exam or has anyone seen any other alternatives to study for the cert with? Very frustrating when Cisco U has the only learning available.

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u/Hot-Bit-2003 — 2 months ago
▲ 5 r/ccnp

Boson ExSim no longer showing both answers?

Studying for the ENCOR, I was mentioning to a co-worker that I have always used Boson exams in the past but he was telling me that they are no longer what they once were. Where the real exam has a lot of drag n drop questions and labs the Boson exam does not. Now they don't even show you your answer alongside the correct answer(s)? Is this true and what have your experiences been with it lately? Last time I used them was back in 2023.

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u/Hot-Bit-2003 — 2 months ago
▲ 0 r/tron

One last film...to end the franchise.

Disney honestly needs to do one more TRON film — not to reboot the franchise again, not to reinvent it again, and not to turn it into something it was never meant to be — but to finally give fans closure.

The story that should have been told was Ares finding Sam Flynn and Quorra, discovering why they disappeared, and pulling the audience back into the emotional and philosophical core that TRON: Legacy set up. That was the natural continuation fans waited over a decade for. Legacy ended with huge possibilities, and instead of following through, Disney stalled the franchise for years and then came back with a film almost nobody was asking for.

Ares feels completely shoehorned into the franchise. It never really needed to exist, and it honestly comes across like a project that was greenlit more because of Jared Leto’s ego and influence than because it was the right direction for TRON. It wasn’t the film fans wanted, and it certainly wasn’t the sequel Legacy deserved.

The frustrating thing is that TRON is actually a strong franchise. It has one of the most unique visual identities and concepts in sci-fi. But you cannot keep starting it, abandoning it, rebooting it, and then expecting the fanbase to stay unified and grow over time. Disney never gave TRON consistency. Instead of building momentum, they kept putting the series on ice every time interest started building.

If Disney truly wants to respect the franchise and the people who stuck with it for decades, they should make one final film centered on Sam, Quorra, and the unresolved Legacy storyline. Let Ares serve as the bridge into that story if they have to, but give the franchise an actual ending. Give fans the closure they’ve been waiting for since 2010.

Then let TRON rest with dignity instead of endlessly reviving it without a real plan.

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u/Hot-Bit-2003 — 2 months ago

Becoming Orthodox from WELS Lutheran

First, I've been Lutheran all of my life. Started in ELCA, then they seemed to lose their minds, then we moved on to WELS, but nothing felt solid or 'right'.

Now I'm a catechumen going into Easter Orthodoxy and my first couple of weeks of studying I felt I was getting bombarded with all sorts of temptations and things 'attacking' me, and for me that was a sign something didn't want me going this route so maybe I should. lol Seriously though, after I met with the priest the next couple of weeks things were very peaceful in my life, my life felt more squared away than it has a very long time but after those couple of weeks I started to become defensive and not very social, honestly. I was very irritable. Now, I'm thinking it's because I've been trying to follow the fasting to a 'T' and get my prayers (almost 8 a day) and get everything because I after all, I'm doing this to be closer and get right with God, right?

Well, on top of training for an athletic competition, studying to 6 technical engineering exams this year, taking care of our home and yard, going through adoption processes, and just my day job I've started waking up at 3am last few days anxious (not eager) for the day. There's so much do and acclimate to.

I don't know how taking a few minutes or hour each evening to learn more about orthodoxy, say some prayers and remove some food and bad behaviors from my life during fasts can affect me like this and make me overwhelmed, but it seems to have done just that. I feel like if I just went back to watching whatever on tv, eating whatever was in my diet before, and neglected all the daily prayers and just did my lifting, focused primarily on my studies and did my work, everything would be cool again, but I know that wouldn't be right. Things were so much easier as a Lutheran, but there's likely a reason for that. I just know I can't keep waking up at 3am all anxious and stuff and think I'm going to get a full day in. I'm trying to follow what the Apostles and Christ left us with and how to worship Him, correctly. Talking to our priest tonight about this somewhat, but would love advice on here as well.

One thing I wanted to note was how understanding priests seem to be in Orthodoxy. They don't seem to make you look at your faults and make themselves look superior over you like I noticed in Lutheranism. Not every pastor was like that, but enough.

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u/Hot-Bit-2003 — 2 months ago
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CS grads, how are you doing out there in the world job-wise these days? Has the market gotten better and was all the study and labbing worth it for what you ended up with?

I went through CS at Purdue a long time ago, now my son may be going in. Just wondered how things are currently because I've heard a lot of CS grads haven't been able to find job or had to accept jobs that wasn't even their core focus while at Purdue.

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u/Hot-Bit-2003 — 3 months ago
▲ 5 r/ccnp

Boson ENARSI labs

Has anyone purchased the ENARSI labs from Boson and if so, what labs does it come with? I wish the site would tell us before we spend money on them. I already have the ENCOR labs so I'm just checking that I'm not duplicating the same labs possibly by buying it. Thanks for any insight you can give.

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u/Hot-Bit-2003 — 3 months ago
▲ 42 r/ccnp

Why don't we hear more about CCNPs?

I ask this because we've always seen in our careers all the hype over the CCNA and CCIE, but somehow it seems like the CCNP (Ent or SP) just kinda gets left floating around out there somewhere.

I mean last I checked the CCNP was the written portion of the CCIE, so on that alone why don't we see more courses or training or YT videos or whatnot aimed directly at CNP studies? I'd also like to know how there aren't more CCNP-SP study material out there? Anyway, wondered as I'm thinking of either going forward for my CCIE or maybe grabbing the CCNP-SP and not finding a ton of material out there vs the NA or IE.

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u/Hot-Bit-2003 — 3 months ago
▲ 9 r/aws

Wanting to leave on-prem engineering behind

Hello sub. I accepted my current job as a Sr net eng with the provider I've been with now for 3 years because of how bad the job market has been but I'm ready to move on. I've been using my time to build more on my automation and cloud network skills, but I'm hoping to leave behind some of the components of my current position and not have them follow me on to the next.

One of the questions I have is, is it expected to be in an on-call rotation every month? Are there midnight maint's typically? What would a typical person's day in a position like this be like (in a remote role)? What kind of salary should I consider too low? What kind of projects in my portfolio would be more impressive for interviews? And, even though I have automation experience on networks here at my day job, I only have home labs to show for AWS and my home network hybrid env. Would I be able to get my foot in the door on an actual cloud networking role somewhere?

I know there aren't absolutes in terms of answers, so just looking for generalizations.

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u/Hot-Bit-2003 — 3 months ago

Underpaid but comfortable and wrestling with bouncing

I think I might be severely underpaid, but I'm also hesitant to leave my current role. After a decade of network engineering now, I'm currently 2 years in working as a network engineer at a mid-size (possibly lower end large) telecom and although my job seems fairly safe with where I'm at, I've had to really struggle to get any recognition on this team. I also was not told things (responsibilities) that I got surprised by only after starting the job and when making less than $100k (I also took a pay decrease for this job, more on that later) the initial expectations for me were burgeoning done, left to fade away over time as I resisted doing them (traveling and being away from home for one week a month, traveling every week to be onsite on state away, on-call was not mentioned at all during interviewing, along with some other things I hadn't agreed to upon accepting the job).

I mentioned taking a pay cut, but it was because I was told I'd be able to garner more experience in various environments I was interested in only to be denied by the team leader who comes off as a little threatened by me. I think it's nuts, because he's an incredible engineer, really.

My background was obviously in basic network routing and switching, but I moved on to working with AWS and automation. I left the job I was at previously because the company was being bought and instead of waiting around, I needed to find safe ground. Smart thing I did too, because I later found out they let all of my team go, using their own engineers. I want to get back to automation, but what has me hesitating is now I'm comfortable where I'm at and the manager is easy going. But, as I get older, that seems attractive, but I also want to make more while I can before I retire (decades from now) and work on systems in a way I enjoy. I've found I enjoy working with code more than CLI. I enjoy getting ahead of a problem and building a solution for it before things happen. So I've become complacent and my fear is going somewhere else, a place I Can do what I want to do, but the manager is a task master or micro mgr. No more running errands during the day, no more taking a day when you want. It makes me pause. But I also want to be paid what I'm worth. What would you guys do?

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u/Hot-Bit-2003 — 3 months ago