Lets have a long conversation about these adults (LONG)
Can we talk about how most of the adults are insufferable. Im gonna go least to worst in my opinion. Buckle up, this is gonna be long. This is vent/rant, however im open to hearing different perspectives if anyone want to put there opinions. While i find things likable about these characters, i will not be mentioning any of that. So if this sound like pure hate, it is. If you don't want to hear hate about these characters, this thread is likely not for you. Probably spelling errors.
!!! NO HATE TO THE ACTORS!!!
!!! MAJOR SPOILERS!!!
First steven:
Literally from the first episode he was so unlikable. He keeps so much from them, despite them almost being adults. He is very controlling about Annie and Connor going to Muskoka. He doesn't want them going and is clearly trying to keep them away from the situation surrounding their grandfather and Romana. Mentioning Romana, he literally kept the fact they had a WHOLE sibling from them. While he didn't know much about her, he knew his ex wife was pregnant. Moving on to the fact on how he treated his ex wife and children. Now i don't like goldie (ill get to her in a moment), but steven treated her like she didn't know what she wanted. Basically assuming that her wanting to stay in Muskoka is just her being crazy. He basically thinks she can't think for herself. I know her having the affair is 100% wrong (will get to her in a minute) i think steven taking the kids without letting her see them is selfish. Like yes she is bad, but those are her babies. Then when annie goes to Muskoka he again just assumes she is crazy. He thinks everyone wants to live in new york. And when he follows her there, instead of talking it out, he tries to get her to leave. Mind you at this point she is 18 and can do whatever she wants. The fact that his first instinct is essentially to pull her away from Muskoka rather than let her make her own decision is so controlling. Also not to mention how as a single father, instead of letting Annie simply be a kid, he allowed her to become the responsible, emotionally mature one. Annie even describes having to take care of Steven emotionally and feeling like she had to grow up. She is only able to realize this when she finally gets away from him. Now steven does have redemption in the end. He handles figuring out Romana is his very well. Also not telling the kids about the mother's affair so they didn't think bad about her. These the only reasons i find him the least insufferable.
Next denise: Literally so childish. Lets start with the fact that she parties with literal minors and people her sons age. It so gross. I have not seen her get hate for this yet. We all know she would have been so much more hated if she was a man and did stuff like this. Its gross. Like she was getting to close with conner it that hot tub. It weird. Next, her son is basically rasing her. Notice how so many times rory has to step in to help her in a basic way. Like stopping her from getting wasted. Plus she loves to get in drama that doesn't invole her. Like dropping that bomb on Romana. While romana deserved to know, she was the last person who should've done it. Also pay attention to your son. He need therapy. He harmed his self intentionally. The only good this about Denise is that she can spew some good advice at the most randomist times. She need to use some of her own advice and go to therapy.
Next goldie: this girl barely touched the screen, but i have so much shade to throw at her. Goldie was a bad mother because she consistently put her own wants, relationships, and happiness ahead of her responsibilities as a parent. Her entire affair with Joe shows how selfish and reckless she was. She was married to Steven and had already built a family with him, yet she chose to reconnect with Joe and carry on a relationship behind Steven’s back. Instead of ending her marriage honestly, she betrayed Steven and allowed the affair to become serious enough to completely change the direction of her childrens life. She became pregnant while caught up in the relationship and began planning a future around Joe and the life she wanted at Muskoka. Rather than thinking about the stability her children needed, she prioritized her affair and her own desires, making one selfish decision after another without fully considering anybody else. She also left behind years of lies, confusion, and unanswered questions. Her choices created a situation where the people around her had to hide the truth and deal with the consequences of decisions she had made. She betrayed steven. Instead of taking responsibility for her actions and protecting her family from unnecessary pain, she chased the life she wanted and left everyone else to deal with the fallout. There are no redeeming qualities for her.
Last joe:
I know someone talked about him yesterday on here, i need to go more into depth with him. He started with just being a character precived as a caring father figure, but he has to be the worst. I will be breaking this into parts.
His family and the affair:
First the way he treats his family. First he is so delusional he doesnt realize his business is going under, that his wife and son have to take care of it. His wife is busy picking up to many shifts to have any real screen time. His son is so concerned that he starts hiding money as a emergency fund for his dad. To help his dad. And what does joe do when his finds it, lectures the sh!t out of him. Instead of blaming himself he basically reprimands the poor kid. he refuse to see that everybody else has to clean up his mess. Next, how he treats them durning the afair. Joe treats Kate terribly because he betrays her trust while she is away caring for her sick mother and taking care of their baby, Ellis. He has an affair with Goldie and develops strong feelings for her, but instead of being honest with Kate, he returns to his family and keeps the entire relationship secret for years. What makes it even worse is that Kate doesn't even hear the truth from Joe himself, she finds out by listening to Goldie's tape. She is forced to discover on her own that her husband had been involved with Goldie and that he had hidden it. Plus when she confronts him, he blows her off. When she asks questions he refuses to answers. Plus he never once says SORRY. For the affar or keeping it hidden for over a decade.
Him and Romana:
Joe is such a bad person.he wasn’t really there for her when she was growing up. After goldie died, he went back to his wife and son , and completely left Ramona behind. All because he was to scared of the truth coming out. He also kept a lot of things about her family a secret, so ramona didn’t know the whole truth about her own life. Like annie and conner. Romana basically grew up alone, and he let it happen.Then, when Gordon dies, Joe suddenly becomes her guardian and starts trying to act like her dad, even though he wasn’t there for most of her childhood. He doesn't want to be her father to protect himslef from the consequences of his affair. But after it comes out anys, now he wants to play dad to her. Ramona is obviously upset by this because she doesn’t really trust him. She even wants to get emancipated because she doesn’t want Joe making decisions for her. Yet he refuse to sign. Like how are you gonna refuse to be in her life, then refuse to actually let her take you out of her life. Basically he think he should be able to decide when he is and isn't her father. He doesn't actually care for her, he is just trying to cover his own a$$. The way he treats annie,someone talked about this already. But the way he blame annie for romana getting drunk. Like you aren't there her whole life, resulting in nobody stopping romana for smoking. But she gets drunk one time and u wanna step up, which stepping up is just blaming annie, which had nothing to do with it. Annie is the only reason romana got home safe. Like bro shut up. Overall he is a horrible character and doesn't deserve his wife and son. Idk how anybody could like him.
Anyways that's all. Sorry its long. I again am open to hearing other opinions. If anybody wants change my mind about any of the characters i would love to hear it. Again no shade to these actors, a lot of them are great people in real life.