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What to do after dentist refuses to refer me?

So I have a six millimeter overbite, open bite, overjet. I got braces taken off five years ago. And two years before my braces journey began, I do remember my orthodontist telling me I may need double jaw surgery in the future because the braces aren't going to be able to fix the structural problem with my teeth. I was 10 at the time, and obviously me and my mother were like, hell no, I'm never getting double jaw surgery.

Seven years later, I'm having jaw pain and sensitive teeth. I tell my original dentist this, and he tells me it's a bite problem and that he's going to refer me to the maxillofacial department. And I made a really stupid mistake and missed my consultation. I called them up immediately to explain the situation. I mistook the dates, and they told me that I was still on the waiting list, and that I should get a call after Christmas.
I called them after Christmas, and they tell me that I'm on the list, and there's not much more they can give me. I call them again six months later, and they tell me I'm on the list, but I'm no longer priority. And that's kind of how it's been because I missed the consultation. So I kind of understand I've probably been put at the back of the queue, and I'm going to wait a while.

I decide to call them a year later, a few days ago today, and they tell me I was actually discharged the day after the consultation was missed. So I haven't been on the list for one and a half years of waiting. Obviously, my main priority is to get myself back on the funnel.
So I go to the dentist I have currently and ask them if they can refer me. I explain my jaw issues again, how I only eat with my back teeth because when I close my mouth, none of my teeth touch except my very back last teeth. She says she thinks that we should try mouth guard first and that the hospital would want us to try conservative treatments beforehand.

However, I don't feel like there's any point in doing that because this is a structural issue. I remember the original dentist that referred me told me that because of the way that my bite is, there's a lot of pressure on my teeth and a lot of compensation, which is stressing out my jaw muscles and contributing to the pain, and that my teeth are basically going to wear out quicker than the average person's, which is why he thought it was serious enough to refer me.

My current dentist also said this, that she thinks because of my bite, my teeth or my jaw muscles are overcompensating, but she would like us to try a mouth guard first for like six months to a year and then see after that. I absolutely don't agree with that, and I can tell that she's not going to refer me. I'm really stressed out because I was not really willing to get double jaw surgery in the past, but as the years go by, I'm starting to see that I don't have much options here.
I do believe this is going to escalate as I get older, and I want to get the double jaw surgery as young as I can. I'm 20 now. I don't want to get it when I'm in my 30s or beyond because I want to be able to heal as quick as possible and retain nerve sensations because I saw the older you get, the more the nerve damage is to be permanent. Problem is, I don't currently I'm really broke so I feel like my options are thin at the moment. I don't really have enough money to go and find a private orthodontist consultation, and I'm worried to spend money on it just for the orthodontist to think they don't need to refer me. Same thing with finding another dentist.

I had a hygienist appointment today, and I asked her for her opinion on it, and she told me she definitely thinks I need to be referred to the hospital, and that I unfortunately will need to find an orthodontist to consult about this to try and get me a referral.

I don't even understand why my current dentist doesn't want to refer me because I personally feel it's very obvious that I need double jaw surgery. It's been mentioned for years, and it would just have made things so much easier if she just referred me. What would you do if you were in my position?

What should I do now to try and get a referral as quick as possible? Because I know even when I am referred, it's going to be years before I actually get the double jaw surgery. So I just want to get this done as quickly as possible so I can crunch the time, because I've already wasted a year and a half.

u/IntelligentWater2020 — 3 days ago

Dentist refuses to refer me advice on what next?

So I have a six millimeter overbite, open bite, overjet. I got braces taken off five years ago and two years before my braces journey began, I do remember my orthodontist telling me I may need double jaw surgery in the future because the braces aren't going to be able to fix the structural problem with my teeth. I was 10 at the time, and obviously me and my mother were like, hell no, I'm never getting double jaw surgery.

Seven years later, I'm having jaw pain and sensitive teeth. I tell my original dentist this, and he tells me it's a bite problem and that he's going to refer me to the maxillofacial department. And I made a really stupid mistake and missed my consultation. I called them up immediately to explain the situation. I mistook the dates, and they told me that I was still on the waiting list, and that I should get a call after Christmas.
I called them after Christmas, and they tell me that I'm on the list, and there's not much more they can give me. I call them again six months later, and they tell me I'm on the list, but I'm no longer priority. And that's kind of how it's been because I missed the consultation. So I kind of understand I've probably been put at the back of the queue, and I'm going to wait a while.

I decide to call them a year later, a few days ago today, and they tell me I was actually discharged the day after the consultation was missed. So I haven't been on the list for one and a half years of waiting. Obviously, my main priority is to get myself back on the funnel.
So I go to the dentist I have currently and ask them if they can refer me. I explain my jaw issues again, how I only eat with my back teeth because when I close my mouth, none of my teeth touch except my very back last teeth. She says she thinks that we should try mouth guard first and that the hospital would want us to try conservative treatments beforehand.

However, I don't feel like there's any point in doing that because this is a structural issue. I remember the original dentist that referred me told me that because of the way that my bite is, there's a lot of pressure on my teeth and a lot of compensation, which is stressing out my jaw muscles and contributing to the pain, and that my teeth are basically going to wear out quicker than the average person's, which is why he thought it was serious enough to refer me.

My current dentist also said this, that she thinks because of my bite, my teeth or my jaw muscles are overcompensating, but she would like us to try a mouth guard first for like six months to a year and then see after that. I absolutely don't agree with that, and I can tell that she's not going to refer me. I'm really stressed out because I was not really willing to get double jaw surgery in the past, but as the years go by, I'm starting to see that I don't have much options here.
I do believe this is going to escalate as I get older, and I want to get the double jaw surgery as young as I can. I'm 20 now. I don't want to get it when I'm in my 30s or beyond because I want to be able to heal as quick as possible and retain nerve sensations because I saw the older you get, the more the nerve damage is to be permanent. Problem is, I don't currently I'm really broke so I feel like my options are thin at the moment. I don't really have enough money to go and find a private orthodontist consultation, and I'm worried to spend money on it just for the orthodontist to think they don't need to refer me. Same thing with finding another dentist.

I had a hygienist appointment today, and I asked her for her opinion on it, and she told me she definitely thinks I need to be referred to the hospital, and that I unfortunately will need to find an orthodontist to consult about this to try and get me a referral.

I don't even understand why my current dentist doesn't want to refer me because I personally feel it's very obvious that I need double jaw surgery. It's been mentioned for years, and it would just have made things so much easier if she just referred me. What would you do if you were in my position?

What should I do now to try and get a referral as quick as possible? Because I know even when I am referred, it's going to be years before I actually get the double jaw surgery. So I just want to get this done as quickly as possible so I can crunch the time, because I've already wasted a year and a half.

u/IntelligentWater2020 — 3 days ago

How do people save for surgery?

My entire life I've always had a recessed chin, although I never noticed it until later ages and when I was 10 and getting braces, my orthodontist told me and my mom that I'm probably gonna need double jaw surgery in the future, but obviously, didn't want to get that, I was terrified of hearing that.

Seven years later, I'm having jaw issues, teeth issues, grinding issues, you name it. And my dentist decided to refer me to a maxillofacial department in late 2023. About three months later, I get a letter from the NHS that I have a consultation for November 2024. And stupidly, I managed to miss this.
So I tried to call the hospital in December, and they tell me that I should get a call after Christmas, and if I don't, to call them back. I don't get a call, and I call them back, and they tell me that I'm on the waiting list, but I'm no longer a priority. I know how much I fucked up, and I regret it to this day. I thought that the appointment was on a different day to what it really was. But fast forward, it's now June 2026. I've still heard nothing.

I've looked through Reddit forum after Reddit forum to see how long it takes other people in a situation similar to mine. I saw someone say it takes five to seven years for them. I'm a uni student, and honestly, past the functional issues, I feel so embarrassed about having a recessed chin.
Most people don't.
I find myself every time I'm in public, analyzing people's chins, looking for someone who has a receding chin just like me, so I don't feel like the only person that has this deformity. And most people don't have what I have. No one in my family has what I have. My parents think I'm crazy for wanting this surgery. I want all these problems to go away. But I really don't want to be stuck here for the next seven years. So I've decided I'm not gonna have much of a choice but to save up for this surgery myself. I'm expecting I'll have to save Around 44,000 pounds, or maybe down to 30 if I'm lucky. I'm hoping to get a job post uni, but I know it's gonna take me a long time to save up this money. So I just wanna know if anyone has any ideas on what I could do to reach this goal as quickly as possible. I really don't wanna waste my youth with this recessed chin problem.

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u/IntelligentWater2020 — 9 days ago

Dan nigro sitch is crazy

Okay, WTF?
The Dan Nigro shit is so insane, and I swear to God, this needs to blow the fuck up on mainstream media. I'm a few years younger than Rodrigo, and I remember when Sour came out, and I was originally obsessed with her, and I'd watched all the behind-the-scenes videos, and obviously this included Olivia and Dan videos.

I remember feeling quite uncomfortable and very curious, but in a, I don't get it way, as to how she felt so comfortable to be sat in the studio all day, every day, talking about very deep personal things, personal insecurities, personal feelings, getting extremely vulnerable in a way that you would usually only get vulnerable with your friends to a grown man when you're like 16, 17, or as long as Olivia started working with him. And I always kind of thought, at the end of the day, he is a man, so that feels very uncomfortable and messy.

But, hey, I don't wanna have that mindset of all men are perverts. Then I see that blind item that was posted here about six months ago, about how potentially Louie and Olivia are some sort of cover-up and that Dan and Olivia are getting together. Yeah! Okay. In the behind the scenes. And I think, yeah, I could see this because I just feel like it's giving messy. And then six months later, here we are, and all this crazy shit about how he's an extreme pervert. I mean, 34 and you're bragging about sleeping with teenagers? I don't care if 18 is an adult, that's fucking crazy as fuck. That is fucking messy, bruv.

This whole thing is messy as fuck.

Especially because, from what we've seen of Olivia, it looks like she's very male-centered, gets obsessed and attached to men easily, very insecure. What makes an insecure young girl feel more validated than some older dude thinking she's cool, special, and finding her attractive? That blind item is starting to feel like real gossip to me. This is so fucking messy beyond belief. The fact that he could even be comfortable enough to be like, I'm 34 and I get blowjobs from 18-year-olds, is fucking insane. I know that this is common in the music industry, but it's so disappointing because, again, watching videos with Olivia and Dan, I would just hope it's like some kind of father-daughter or something of the sort relationship.

The fact that it's probably highly likely something else, brutal. This guy needs to be exposed big time, and the fact that the neutral sub deleted it, they're weirdos. Why would you not want this guy to be exposed? Because everything he said in that video is objectively disgusting. Argue with the wall. So why are you complacent with this stuff not being shown to the public? Fucking weirdos.

Olivia stans, weirdos. They're gonna go and defend Dan when he's probably groomed her ass. If you love Olivia so much, you wouldn't be defending his ass. If the neutral sub wants to be objective, they wouldn't be taking down the videos on him. I feel like only the snarkers and non-Olivia glazers see these kinds of situations for what they are, and it's embarrassing as hell.

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u/IntelligentWater2020 — 15 days ago