u/IntelligentWater2020

I’ve seen a lot of people debate how things are gonna wrap up romantically between the big trio and Sel has now jumped into demonia and breenick have developed quite a lot in book 3 where does not match with sale. I’ve also seen some people argue book 3 was used as a way to pivot towards the triple game because Deonn saw how popular the ship was.
I started the series back in 2021 and when I read bloodmarked I was damn sure that breesel were gonna be because of multiple things about the author herself as well. Like number one she’s a huge fan the vampire diaries and very specifically the failed ship Damon and Bonnie. She spoken about how sel was inspired by Damon Salvatore and I remember I saw a video where she said the first character that she conceptualised apart from bree was sel.
She just knew exactly how Sel was gonna look like and he was the strongest character in her head basically and I feel like that makes sense when you read the book, especially book one which is why I was always bored by Nick and bree despite understanding they had a cute healthy relationship. Just seemed very under developed boring surface level just a basic cardboard box blonde hair blue eyed dude but i found Sel interesting, complex definitely toxic and aggressive but from an entertainment point of view it was magical to watch him on the page as I was excited about his every single interaction with Bree just even the way that bree describes sel it just felt electrical and the way when it came to nick just absolutely boring.

Nick and bree have had so much more time together and I still feel like that moments together doesn’t hold a candle to the entertainment that BreeSel gave me together. I feel like there was more effort put into sales character basically then there was with Nick because Deonn was living out her Bamon wishes through bree and sel but that all ends in book 3 book 3 wasn’t supposed to happen. Book 3 release starts to push Nick and Bree book 3 ending makes it difficult to see how Sel and bree are gonna end up together. I think it’s clear as day by now that they’re gonna end up as a triple I’m not gonna lie I would love cell and bree to be game but I think with a throuple everyone wins but what are you guys’s opinion based on everything that’s happened in the series so far and anything you might have kept tabs on with Deonn what do you think is gonna be the endgame in book 4?

Someone once said Rodrigo on here was a narcissist, and I've never been able to unsee it. She gives specifically vulnerable slash covert narcissist so, so much. Everything she does is just for image, just to fuel her moral ego and perception of being such a good person. She's always the goddamn victim, even in moments where she tries to make herself appear as able to self-criticize, like in The Cure, where she describes it as where she's oh-so self-aware and able to self-reflect. I mean, no offense, this is coming from someone several years younger than her. The epiphany that love can't heal you, learning that at, like, 22, that's such a bare minimum thing, and she acts like it's this big, profound thing that she learned in adulthood.

I'm pretty sure the average 17 yoshould know that, or at least I did. It's common sense to me. But anyway, she kind of makes it look like, oh well, it's not all Louis' fault that our relationship failed because his love could never save me.

But she still does it in a way that makes her look like a victim. Oh, poor me, I'm so insecure. And that's exactly what vulnerable narcissists do. They craft so much of the way that people perceive them through sympathy, and even in the moments where they try to make it look like they're stepping away from being the victim, they still victimize themselves. They make themselves look self-aware while still victimizing themselves.

They make themselves— she makes herself look badass while still being a teenage 23-year-old. She makes a political song with the most ambiguous fucking lyrics ever. I mean, who the fuck does it even call out, bro? And then goes around making a TikTok of this ambiguous-ass song, frolicking around like it's some cutesy TikTok trend. Why don't you make it in a more serious light? Because she still wants to be perceived as teenage, oh-so frilly little girl Olivia. To me anyway, she's just a raging narcissist, and I don't know how people can't see it. Of course, I understand that unfortunately most people in Hollywood are probably on the narcissistic spectrum. I mean, when you grow up rich, you've had no issues in life. I mean, she literally said she's never really had anything bad happen to her in her life, and the most dramatic thing was the breakup at 17. That speaks volumes.

You have all these people that overly sympathize with you, believe whatever narrative you push. You've never fell out of the public favor. She's been called a prodigy and all this shit. Of course it's gonna go right to her head. She's had a piss easy life, and it just keeps getting easier for her. She can do all sorts of nonsense and get away with it because of the public perception she's carved for herself and this crazy, unfortunately good PR team that she has. It's painful to see. I'm so pissed that she might probably always get away with this, because let's be for real here. She's never even been cancelled like any of her peers: Billie, Sabrina, Chapo, Tyler, Tate. Literally every celebrity, even Taylor, Beyoncé, Gaga, they've all fell out of favor with the public eye. They've all had their haters at some point. But us haters, us people here in the snark, we are a fucking minority. I don't understand it.

She has rarely, rarely fell out of favor. I thought it was finally gonna happen with the whole racist bald guy interview. I forgot his name. But no, it didn't. It caused a teeny weeny bit of friction within stan Twitter and nothing else. It's like she's immune to being seen for what she really is, immune to being cancelled. And it's so difficult to get to that level of fame and never get cancelled. Usually when a female artist rises, the public turns on them for a bit and they have to get over that. That's what every celebrity has had to go through, except for Rodrigo. What the fuck is it?

Before I found this snark, I have felt so alone, and I've hated this bitch since 2021. I've seen the fake in her since then. The minute I saw people coming for Sabrina and Olivia didn't bother to stand up for her once, I knew she was a weirdo and there was an off vibe about her, and that has never gone away. No one can snark on Olivia Rodrigo outside of this sub without being completely obliterated. It's bloody insane.

Does anyone else my age have absolutely no friends? I don't really have any online friends or real life friends. To be fair, I kind of brought it on myself. I only had two friends in elementary school, and in high school I was bullied, so I left with absolutely no friends. And then in college, I met a lot of people, but they were never deep friendships, and they all just faded away. I'm also extremely conventionally unattractive and fat, which is something I've been trying to work on. And I usually would experience a pattern where the ‘friends’ I did make at uni would just ditch me or fade away whenever they found a friend group of other girls. Like, people would only be friends with me because they don't have anyone else. On top of that, so I just decided by the end of second year uni that I'm just gonna give up for a while. I'm tired. And maybe things will get easier when I lose all this weight and get prettier. I also, the last of the friends I had were toxic and fake, so I cut everybody off, leaving me with one person, which is my best friend, or former best friend from elementary school. But she's not really in my life. We connect on Instagram like twice a year. And I've only seen her three years in the past seven years since I left elementary. I don't really talk to people. I kind of just rant to ChatGPT or talk to my younger sister, but she's six years younger than me, so it's not really the same. I just feel like it's kind of too late for me though, because another problem I found at uni is most people came with their friend groups from high school. I would try to enter friend groups, but they were already built. They would talk about years of history that I couldn't relate to, and I was just the odd one out wherever I went. So even if I tried to make friends now, I wouldn't even get to be someone's best friend because they already have their best friends. But the last two best friends I had became toxic, had to cut them off, and the other one, well, that was the one from elementary. I get so jealous when I see people going out and doing stuff. Every single year I do nothing for my birthday because what really can I do? But at the same time, I'm too exhausted to interact with people and go out of my way to try and make friends again. I also have a lot of social trauma from the bullying, and I have really bad periods where it gets bad. Sometimes I refuse to go to my lectures unless they're in the evening because I like walking around outside when it's dark and nobody can see my face. I feel like a burden when I'm friends with people because I'm ugly. So I just feel like I'm also aware I'm not exactly mentally ready to be friends with people. In some ways, having no friends in the past year has been extremely peaceful. I guess I'm kind of in a dilemma where I'm content having no friends, but at the same time, I'm not. Anyone else like me?

I get the hate for Adam, but I also don't, because I don't see the bad things he's done as actually Adam. Let me land. I thought Juliette and Adam's romance in book one was great, even though I've already finished the series twice now. If I read book one again, I still love reading about Adam and Juliette. And in book one, I absolutely shipped them. Adam doesn't really show any signs of being incompatible with Juliet or being a bad boyfriend for her. There's not really any foreshadowing to make it a clear progression as to why they break up. When Adam starts saying in book three that he wishes Juliette was dead, etc., I just feel like that was an easy cop-out and lazy writing on Mafi's half. It just felt so out of character and so abrupt, because yes, he was angry, but I think you'd have to really, really dislike someone to say something like that, and he very obviously did not hate Juliette to that point. Adam is a bit hot-headed, but he's genuinely a caring person. That was how his character was built in book one and two, and you're telling me to just forget that in book three? And how convenient that it's happening at the exact same time when Warner is sailing through. It just feels like Mafi basically made him look like a worse a person to prop Warner up. I think that's very lazy, and it shows that from book one, she wasn't really thinking about who Juliet was going to end up with. I honestly think she was just writing as we go along.

Because even with Warner, the difference between Warner in book one and book two is astounding. It's very close to ridiculous. It's giving two people. I think that the fact you have to make one guy look worse, retcon their character in order to make the other guy look better, kind of insinuates that that other guy wasn't all that to begin with.

I think that she should have put in subtle, at the least, bits of incompatibility between Juliette and Adam, so that by the time we get to book three, it seems like a progression. Juliette and Adam breaking up seems like it was something that was inevitable from almost near the beginning, rather than this big switch up. Or she should have had Warner really great, gravel, to become just as good of a contender for Juliette than Adam was, instead of having to just trash Adam's character to make Warner look better. It's so boring when they do this.

They did it in The Vampire Diaries as well, and I thought it was devastating. Stefan loved the living hell out of Elena. In fact, I think it can be argued he loved her more in a selfless way. Stefan was willing to die for Elena, ruin his life for her. He literally fought compulsion, which is one of the hardest things to do. And I don't think there was any other vampire that was showcased to fight off compulsion just because he didn't want to hurt Elena. Stefan made sure to care for Elena's friends, care for the things that she loved, just because Elena wanted him to. He made an effort to like the people around her. Damon quote-unquote loved Elena very selfishly. He could kill Jeremy, kill her friends, harm her friends multiple times. He didn't really care about how it would affect Elena. And to me, that isn't love.

I feel like Damon and Elena were pure lust. And what was their argument that Stefan was not the right brother? That Elena wanted him to choose Matt to save over Elena, and because Stefan did that, he's the worse brother, whereas Damon would kill everyone on the planet for Elena. I think realistically, Stefan would have chose Elena. He would have. He cares about her too much. And then the whole Klaus thing, making Stefan have to turn his humanity off and become a worse person, almost drive Elena off the bridge where her parents died. This is just all stuff that immediately puts Stefan in a real bad light. It's not a progression, it's just immediate trashing of his character to prop up Damon, when you could have just wrote it better. It is so goddamn boring and it is so lazy.

I think that it's so unfair for people to not see through the fact that Adam's poor behavior in book three was down to the author's lazy writing and not Adam himself. If she had stayed consistent with Adam's character, he wouldn't have behaved like that, and it would have been therefore more difficult to argue why Warner is the better guy.

Let me just make this clear that I'm not glazing him because I want to. This guy's a pedophile, but Olivia Rodrigo would truly be nothing without Dan Nigro.

The amount of handiwork he has on basically everything she releases is insane. She's like a less obvious version of katseye. Everyone knows katseye doesn't have any hand in their creative direction, and if they do, it's very, very little. And I honestly think it's a very similar thing to Olivia Rodrigo. Just from the way that she talks about the album-making process with Dan, it's like she comes up with what?
One line or two, or probably rants to him about her boy troubles, and he basically creates and crafts concepts, whole songs, melodies, everything around it.

I think that's why in so many interviews, when people ask her to explain the songwriting process and what lyrics mean, she's left speechless or giving PR word salad, because she literally doesn't know what to say. It's Dan's lyrics, it's Dan's concepts. Unfortunately, he is the genius behind this, not her. Every time I listen to her songs, now knowing this, all I hear is Dan Nigro.

Plus this third album sounds exactly like Chapell, it sounds like so many other artists, it sounds boring and reused, same melody, same everything. It's so annoying that people think that Olivia is some kind of lyrical genius or conceptual genius when this is all done for her, by her team and by Dan. She would be releasing slop if she didn't have him as her producer, her co-songwriter, and I bet he probably writes 90% of the songs. Her composer, her everything. The fact that, unlike most pop stars this far into their career, she hasn't even bothered to experiment with other producers, just says everything.
It's always Dan, because Dan IS Olivia Rodrigo. Without Dan, I don't think she has an identity. And that's why now she has no choice but to stick with him. To be fair, it might also be a grooming situation. He was the one that reached out to her, passed me on Instagram when she was like 16. So I don't really think she had much of a chance to develop her own unique artistry, voice, find out who she is on her own, without Dan's heavy influence. But it gets to a point where you kind of got to take responsibility for that. Chapell has worked with other artists, Taylor, Sabrina, And they're still able to maintain a strong artistic identity.

So I saw a lot of people saying that this third album will define how the rest of her career will go. Well, what do you guys think? To be honest with you, I can't really tell anymore, considering how short trends are nowadays. But I don't think she has that much cultural impact if we compare it to Sabrina, Chappell Roan, Charli XCX, even though, to be fair, those two have fallen off. Brat, it changed the culture. It literally defined the entirety of 2024. Sabrina did a huge amount of defining too. And before Chappell kind of dipped, I would say she was pretty relevant in culture too. Whereas with this album of Olivia's, it kind of just feels like a repeat of Guts. Not really relevant. I feel like the only album of hers that had a lot of cultural presence was obviously Sour. I personally think she's going to be a Katy Perry. Hits here and there, and then eventually falls off.
Everyone thinks she'll be like Taylor Swift, but Taylor Swift at this age was far, far, far, far, far more relevant. I don't really think the general public cares or knows much about Olivia. I think this is honestly the beginning of a slow, slow fade out of the mainstream. Because unfortunately she's still solidly a list right now.

Again, I think it's going to be slow. It'll be a Katy Perry situation. But I absolutely don't think that she will still be a main pop girl, let's say, six years from now. I don't think she's going to have a long-term career like Beyoncé, Taylor, Lady Gaga, etc. People always say that Billie Eilish is up here, but I think Billie Eilish is far, far more relevant than Olivia will ever be.

I can see Billie Eilish still being relevant six years from now. Olivia though, she's gone. Especially because she heavily brands herself around her youth. She's gonna be 13, 6/7 years. How is a 30 yo Olivia going to maintain relevance when she's just this ‘innocent little girl’?

She's not very smart for thinking long-term like that. But then also a part of me feels like she doesn't seem to have much of a passion for being as famous as she is, so maybe six years from now she won't even give a fuck anymore. What do you guys think though? How do you think this is gonna pan out for her?

My entire life I've always had a recessed chin, although I never noticed it until later ages and when I was 10 and getting braces, my orthodontist told me and my mom that I'm probably gonna need double jaw surgery in the future, but obviously, didn't want to get that, I was terrified of hearing that.

Seven years later, I'm having jaw issues, teeth issues, grinding issues, you name it. And my dentist decided to refer me to a maxillofacial department in late 2023. About three months later, I get a letter from the NHS that I have a consultation for November 2024. And stupidly, I managed to miss this.
So I tried to call the hospital in December, and they tell me that I should get a call after Christmas, and if I don't, to call them back. I don't get a call, and I call them back, and they tell me that I'm on the waiting list, but I'm no longer a priority. I know how much I fucked up, and I regret it to this day. I thought that the appointment was on a different day to what it really was. But fast forward, it's now June 2026. I've still heard nothing.

I've looked through Reddit forum after Reddit forum to see how long it takes other people in a situation similar to mine. I saw someone say it takes five to seven years for them. I'm a uni student, and honestly, past the functional issues, I feel so embarrassed about having a recessed chin.
Most people don't.
I find myself every time I'm in public, analyzing people's chins, looking for someone who has a receding chin just like me, so I don't feel like the only person that has this deformity. And most people don't have what I have. No one in my family has what I have. My parents think I'm crazy for wanting this surgery. I want all these problems to go away. But I really don't want to be stuck here for the next seven years. So I've decided I'm not gonna have much of a choice but to save up for this surgery myself. I'm expecting I'll have to save Around 44,000 pounds, or maybe down to 30 if I'm lucky. I'm hoping to get a job post uni, but I know it's gonna take me a long time to save up this money. So I just wanna know if anyone has any ideas on what I could do to reach this goal as quickly as possible. I really don't wanna waste my youth with this recessed chin problem.

Okay, WTF?
The Dan Nigro shit is so insane, and I swear to God, this needs to blow the fuck up on mainstream media. I'm a few years younger than Rodrigo, and I remember when Sour came out, and I was originally obsessed with her, and I'd watched all the behind-the-scenes videos, and obviously this included Olivia and Dan videos.

I remember feeling quite uncomfortable and very curious, but in a, I don't get it way, as to how she felt so comfortable to be sat in the studio all day, every day, talking about very deep personal things, personal insecurities, personal feelings, getting extremely vulnerable in a way that you would usually only get vulnerable with your friends to a grown man when you're like 16, 17, or as long as Olivia started working with him. And I always kind of thought, at the end of the day, he is a man, so that feels very uncomfortable and messy.

But, hey, I don't wanna have that mindset of all men are perverts. Then I see that blind item that was posted here about six months ago, about how potentially Louie and Olivia are some sort of cover-up and that Dan and Olivia are getting together. Yeah! Okay. In the behind the scenes. And I think, yeah, I could see this because I just feel like it's giving messy. And then six months later, here we are, and all this crazy shit about how he's an extreme pervert. I mean, 34 and you're bragging about sleeping with teenagers? I don't care if 18 is an adult, that's fucking crazy as fuck. That is fucking messy, bruv.

This whole thing is messy as fuck.

Especially because, from what we've seen of Olivia, it looks like she's very male-centered, gets obsessed and attached to men easily, very insecure. What makes an insecure young girl feel more validated than some older dude thinking she's cool, special, and finding her attractive? That blind item is starting to feel like real gossip to me. This is so fucking messy beyond belief. The fact that he could even be comfortable enough to be like, I'm 34 and I get blowjobs from 18-year-olds, is fucking insane. I know that this is common in the music industry, but it's so disappointing because, again, watching videos with Olivia and Dan, I would just hope it's like some kind of father-daughter or something of the sort relationship.

The fact that it's probably highly likely something else, brutal. This guy needs to be exposed big time, and the fact that the neutral sub deleted it, they're weirdos. Why would you not want this guy to be exposed? Because everything he said in that video is objectively disgusting. Argue with the wall. So why are you complacent with this stuff not being shown to the public? Fucking weirdos.

Olivia stans, weirdos. They're gonna go and defend Dan when he's probably groomed her ass. If you love Olivia so much, you wouldn't be defending his ass. If the neutral sub wants to be objective, they wouldn't be taking down the videos on him. I feel like only the snarkers and non-Olivia glazers see these kinds of situations for what they are, and it's embarrassing as hell.