[Casual] Where would a Fusion of the Top 4 scale?

The fusion of Dabura, Gojo, Sukuna and Yuji can use all cursed technqiues simultaneously at will, and it's personality and intellect is a mix of all 4 of them.

The fusion has Sukuna's anatomy alongside Yuji's superhuman abilities, with Gojo's Six Eyes.

What are some of the strongest characters in fiction you think that it could beat?

And

What are the some of the weakest characters in fiction it would lose to?

u/King_shubh — 1 month ago

Small detail in Gojo vs Sukuna that often gets overlooked (and a few doubts)

We don't get any panels for what happens inside the first domain clash but we do get some for the second one.

Instead of showing just Gojo beating the lights out of Sukuna, what they show is Sukuna blocking and defending hits, with focus on the one in which Gojo tries to pierce Sukuna's heart.

Then as the domain breaks and the scene switches, we see Sukuna with less damage than what he sustained after the first domain clash. The skin of his face burned off (likely from a red, as it's similar to the damage Sukuna sustained from the end of the first domain clash and also later)

Doesn't this mean Sukuna was adapting in terms of CQC and if not for the 0.01 mistake, he could've potentially performed better in the final domain clash?

This also raises a question of about how much damage is actually needed to collapse MS, similar amount of damage didn't make MS collapse in the first domain clash, but it did here.

Also one last question, how exactly was Sukuna able to last 2 minutes and 40 seconds in the final clash?

u/King_shubh — 3 months ago

[Serious] Yuta did NOT tank a Cleave to the head from Sukuna in Shinjuku.

Most people misinterpret this panel as Yuta tanking a Cleave from Sukuna, when actually it's just a dismantle.

This is clear from the way the blood forms an arc.

Sukuna's hand is also opened, showing that he released a dismantle.(Image 2)

What makes it even more clear is that Yuta is bending backwards trying to dodge it, which wouldn't make any sense if it was a Cleave.

What seals it for me was the fact that, In the next page, Yuta says -- "His slashes are weakening! I can close distance without fear", which means that before this moment Dismantles were still somewhat of a threat to Yuta which prevented him from getting close freely.

We can also see this in earlier pages where Yuji and Yuta were forced to stop and heal because Sukuna's dismantles.

Sukuna also puts Yuji and Yuta in the same tier in terms of durability, and we also see this from the fact that Yuji and Yuta take nearly equivalent damage from the same dismantle attacks from Sukuna. (Image-4)

Earlier in the fight Cleave was able to mince a good portion of Yuji's torso, hence it doesn't really make sense for Yuta to outright just tank a Cleave and for the Cleave to do such nominal damage.

u/King_shubh — 4 months ago

[Serious] Doesn't this means Sukuna can selectively choose the 'target zone' of Malevolent Shrine?

Instead of Malevolent Shrine attacking each and every part of Sukuna's 200 m radius domain, Sukuna can turn off the sure-hit in some parts, to gain extra output on another part of the domain.

Now could Sukuna do this against Gojo, after the first domain clash, to gain extra power in the region where Gojo is present to overpower his RCT?

If not Meguna could TF Sukuna do it?

u/King_shubh — 5 months ago

Doesn't this means Sukuna can selectively choose the 'target zone' of Malevolent Shrine?

Instead of Malevolent Shrine attacking each and every part of Sukuna's 200 m radius domain, Sukuna can turn off the sure-hit in some parts, to gain extra output on another part of the domain.

Now could Sukuna do this against Gojo after the first domain clash, to turn off his sure-hit where Gojo isn't present and gain extra power where he is, to overpower Gojo's RCT and kill him?

If not Meguna, could TF Sukuna do it?

u/King_shubh — 5 months ago

[Casual] What are your top 5 or top 10 fusions?

You can only pick a character once, for a single fusion, and then never again.

The fusion gains attributes and abilities of BOTH characters, with NO restrictions on using those abilities. (For eg they can use two cursed techniques simultaneously)

My list-->

  1. Kenjaku + Takaba

  2. Gojo + Mahito

  3. Sukuna + Dabura

  4. Yuki + Yuji (Modulo)

  5. Kashimo + Hakari

u/King_shubh — 5 months ago

[Casual] Instead of summoning Agito here-

Sukuna goes all in Ten Shadows here, and decides to do his best and use the other Shikigami in tandem to try and kill Gojo / hold him off until Mahoraga performs the WCS.

How does the fight change?

u/King_shubh — 5 months ago

[Serious] Maki and Yuji did NOT fight against a Sukuna with 16F stats.

I've seen many people looking at this slide (Image 1) from Lightning's translations and come to the conclusion that Sukuna's reinforcement was still 16F Level.

Obviously Lightning isn't wrong here and in the original japanese (Image 2)---

"術式への呪力出力を落とす" does mean "Cursed Energy Output towards the technique.

However stripping this statement of all context and using this one single line to claim that Sukuna had 16F level reinforcement is just wrong.

This is the only statement where "Cursed Technique Output is mentioned", and that is because this is a specific moment where Sukuna uses his technique to destroy the floor beneath them.

This line simply serves to tell us, that because Megumi's suppressing his CT output greatly everytime he tries to use his CT in a lethal manner on Maki/Yuji, Sukuna instead switched to using his Cursed technique to affect the environment to his own benefit.

I don't think Gege's intention, with this statement was to establish that Sukuna's reinforcement is completely fine.

Especially when there are Two prior statements(Image 3 and 4) that tell us that Sukuna's CURSED ENERGY OUTPUT (not just technique output) is being suppressed.

If Gege really just wanted Sukuna's technique output to be suppressed, he would've just used "Cursed Technique Output" or "Cursed Energy Output towards his technique" every time he mentioned the nerf.

Even in the original Japanese (Images 5 and 6) ,there is no mention of Cursed technique and only Cursed Energy.

• First Statement--->

"俺の呪力出力が落ちているのか" simply translates to "My cursed energy output is falling."

• Second Statement--->

"ムラはあるが

呪力出力は酷いと一割以下までいくな

(じゅりょくしゅつりょく/いちわり/ひど)

肉体の動きの方は

(にくたい/うご/ほう)

そこまでではないが… "

means

"There is unevenness — but the cursed energy output dropping below ten percent is harsh. As for the body's movements going that far... it's not like it goes

that far..."

As you can see, there is no mention of Cursed Technique.

Now here I would like to address another point people use to claim Sukuna's physicality was top notch, which is the second part of the second statement.

"As for the body's movements going that far... it's not like it goes that far..."

with the original japanese being->

"肉体の動きの方はそこまでではないが…"

The important thing to note here is the exact nuance of the term--

肉体の動き

This term literally means ""the movement of the flesh/body."

It bears no connection to Cursed Energy or Cursed Energy reinforcement of even general physical ability.

肉体 only means "movement", if does not mean Sukuna's general physical ability/athleticism in that moment.

身体能力 would be used if Gege wanted to make it Sukuna's physical ability but it is not.

What this line tells us, is simply that Megumi doesn't have much of an influence over the body's physical movements and cannot stop Sukuna from moving the body however he pleases, like he can suppress his CE.

This is further confirmed by the fact that Sukuna is testing this by flexing his fingers.(Image-4)

Sukuna isn't testing his CE reinforcement by flexing his fingers, that much should be obvious.

He's simply testing whether or not Megumi can stop him from making movements with his body, which as written in the statement Megumi cannot (atleast not significantly like he can when it comes to CE).

Finally the idea of Maki being on par with an 16F Meguna in terms of stats, itself is contradicted by the story itself.

Be it Sukuna blitzing and oneshotting Ryu, or Maki and co's performance against a weaker and injured Sukuna.

TLDR-->

It was infact Sukuna's Cursed Energy Output and not just Cursed Technique Output that was nerfed because of the two previous statements. (Image 3,4).

That one particular statement was made in a specific context when Sukuna used his technique.

Maki's performance against a weaker version of Sukuna also confirms that she is not on par with 16F Sukuna.

u/King_shubh — 5 months ago

Maki and Yuji did NOT fight against a Sukuna with 16F level stats.

I've seen many people looking at this slide (Image 1) from Lightning's translations and come to the conclusion that Sukuna's reinforcement was still 16F Level.

Obviously Lightning isn't wrong here and in the original japanese (Image 2)---

"術式への呪力出力を落とす" does mean "Cursed Energy Output towards the technique.

However stripping this statement of all context and using this one single line to claim that Sukuna had 16F level reinforcement is just wrong.

This is the only statement where "Cursed Technique Output is mentioned", and that is because this is a specific moment where Sukuna uses his technique to destroy the floor beneath them.

This line simply serves to tell us, that because Megumi's suppressing his CT output greatly every time he tries to use his CT in a lethal manner on Maki/Yuji, Sukuna instead switched to using his Cursed technique to affect the environment to his own benefit.

I don't think Gege's intention, with this statement was to establish that Sukuna's reinforcement is completely fine.

Especially when there are Two prior statements(Image 3 and 4) that tell us that Sukuna's CURSED ENERGY OUTPUT (not just technique output) is being suppressed.

If Gege really just wanted Sukuna's technique output to be suppressed, he would've just used "Cursed Technique Output" or "Cursed Energy Output towards his technique" every time he mentioned the nerf.

Even in the original Japanese (Images 5 and 6) ,there is no mention of Cursed technique and only Cursed Energy.

• First Statement--->

"俺の呪力出力が落ちているのか" simply translates to "My cursed energy output is falling."

• Second Statement--->

"ムラはあるが

呪力出力は酷いと一割以下までいくな

(じゅりょくしゅつりょく/いちわり/ひど)

肉体の動きの方は

(にくたい/うご/ほう)

そこまでではないが… "

means

"There is unevenness — but the cursed energy output dropping below ten percent is harsh. As for the body's movements going that far... it's not like it goes

that far..."

As you can see, there is no mention of Cursed Technique.

Now here I would like to address another point people use to claim Sukuna's physicality was top notch, which is the second part of the second statement.

"As for the body's movements going that far... it's not like it goes that far..."

with the original japanese being->

"肉体の動きの方はそこまでではないが…"

The important thing to note here is the exact nuance of the term--

肉体の動き

This term literally means ""the movement of the flesh/body."

It bears no connection to Cursed Energy or Cursed Energy reinforcement of even general physical ability.

肉体 only means "movement", if does not mean Sukuna's general physical ability/athleticism in that moment.

身体能力 would be used if Gege wanted to make it Sukuna's physical ability but it is not.

What this line tells us, is simply that Megumi doesn't have much of an influence over the body's physical movements and cannot stop Sukuna from moving the body however he pleases, like he can suppress his CE.

This is further confirmed by the fact that Sukuna is testing this by flexing his fingers.(Image-4)

Sukuna isn't testing his CE reinforcement by flexing his fingers, that much should be obvious.

He's simply testing whether or not Megumi can stop him from making movements with his body, which as written in the statement Megumi cannot (atleast not significantly like he can when it comes to CE).

Finally the idea of Maki being on par with an 16F Meguna in terms of stats, itself is contradicted by the story itself.

Be it Sukuna blitzing and oneshotting Ryu, or Maki and co's performance against a weaker and injured Sukuna.

TLDR-->

It was infact Sukuna's Cursed Energy Output and not just Cursed Technique Output that was nerfed because of the two previous statements. (Image 3,4).

That one particular statement was made in a specific context when Sukuna used his technique.

Maki's performance against a weaker version of Sukuna also confirms that she is not on par with 16F Sukuna.

u/King_shubh — 5 months ago

GojoKuna VS DaburaKuna

Sukuna in Gojo's body VS Sukuna in Dabura's body

Who wins?

Round 1) Only CE Reinforcement and No Techniques.

Round 2) No Domains

Round 3) Everything is allowed.

Both Sukuna have had time to train and are perfectly accustomed to using Gojo and Dabura's techniques .

If Sukuna chooses to incarnate, he keeps the attributes and techniques of his vessel (eg Six Eyes, Limitless , Light).

u/King_shubh — 5 months ago

Gojokuna vs Daburakuna

Sukuna in Gojo's body VS Sukuna in Dabura's body

Who wins?

Round 1) Only CE Reinforcement and No Techniques.

Round 2) No Domains

Round 3) Everything is allowed.

Both Sukuna have had time to train and are perfectly accustomed to using Gojo and Dabura's techniques .

If Sukuna chooses to incarnate, he keeps the attributes and techniques of his vessel (eg Six Eyes, Limitless , Light).

u/King_shubh — 5 months ago

CE Reinforcement is no longer a thing.

Sorcerers can no longer use Cursed Energy to enhance their physical bodies or increase their durability.

How do the match ups and Character Rankings Change?

u/King_shubh — 5 months ago

Can The Six Eyes be mass produced?

Gouge out Gojo's eyes--->Gojo performs RCT and heals back his eyes again--->Now we have 2 pairs of Six Eyes.

This process can be repeated until we obtain the desired number of pairs.

The gouged out pairs can be preserved as cursed objects (like the Death Painting Wombs).

They can later be transplanted into sorcerers, or may even be used in the far future to make perpetual cursed energy powered robots/machines.

They can also be used for research to figure out exactly what makes them special, and helps them reduce CE costs to nearly zero.

The Higher Ups and their traditional approach really held the Jujutsu Society back.

u/King_shubh — 5 months ago

[Serious] If Gojo/Sukuna/Yuji was given "Light" as their CT instead of their own Innate Technique-

Could they replicate this feat?

Raising their bodies durability to the maximum (with CE reinforcement since that's what Dabura seems to be using here) and withstand going Sub-Light speed?

Give some reasoning for your take as well.

u/King_shubh — 5 months ago