r/JujutsuPowerScaling

Who would win . I believe it could go either way . But I think naoya has a slight advantage due to his speed.
Who do you think would win?

Yuta after fighting a SGCS, a powerful Yayoi Era sorcerer, a relatively strong Heian Era sorcerer and a relatively strong Edo Era sorcerer for roughly 4 Chapters

Sukuna after fighting the strongest sorcerer of the modern Era for 13 Chapters (and several other sorcerers for 14 chapters after that)

So, you read the title. What if Sukuna didn’t make the WCS vow?

Here’s what I think will happens: Gojo dog walks this Sukuna, even if he goes True Form. And this is coming from a Sukuna glazer bro. I argue that Sukuna can win 4/10 times against Yuji(on everything I have actual arguments for this) and I still think Gojo wins. Here’s why.

Gojo is not getting hit by any of these WCS Sukuna makes. As we all know, the biggest Sukuna glazer himself confirmed that Gojo could’ve dodged this if he paid attention. This means that since Sukuna has to go through activation steps now, Gojo can definitely dodge it.

How do I know this version of Sukuna’s WCS has activation requirements? Well, while it is a headcanon it’s a plausible one. Sukuna had to make it physically IMPOSSIBLE for him to use it in Meguna’s body to do one no activation WCS. This means if he didn’t make this vow, he’d likely have to use a hand sign and point or something along those lines to activate WCS without the vow. This will undoubtedly allow Gojo to see the threat and dodge.

Even if he goes True Form, he still has brain damage, meaning no domain expansion, less ce and rct output, and no Ten Shadows. Gojo on the other hand has output back, a functioning domain expansion, and is in the zone so he can hit more black flashes. So I say Gojo wins in this hypothetical.

What do you all think?

What the title said

just because you don't like it doesn't mean he's not a top 10 contender.

Jogoat
JJK 0 Geto
Unstacked Naobito
Pre Awakened Shinjuku Yuji

Since people keep missing the point of my previous post I'm gonna make this directly about dismantle.

There isn't a single indication of sukuna EVER "trading output for range", and it's almost 100% consistent with a more powerful dismantle being bigger, with the only exception *maybe* being 257 sukuna's dismantles (and those are close range anyway so it doesn't really change anything)

Curse Rika is stated to be above Gojo via the Narrative. Everyone in the story reafirms this. And Tamamo-No-Mae

Justifying LN First

JJK LN writer states Akutami is supervising/overseeing the LN

https://note.com/jump\_j\_books/n/n48d4b3ff18df

screen Writer of JJK 0 met with GEGE to make sure everything is accurate and the settings,depictions of his characters and the powerscalling is right

https://fandomwire.com/if-there-were-any-questions-jujutsu-kaisen-composer-met-the-mysterious-gege-akutami-only-2-or-3-times-in-person-despite-building-a-133m-anime-franchise-together/

Also

"The author shall have the right to maintain the integrity of his work and its title, and no distortion, mutilation or other modification thereof shall be made against his intent." - Section 20 of the Japanese Copyright Law

And I already proved GEGE looks at the novels and supervises them.

The Stage-Play existing and Gege not wanting to lose full control of JJK contradict each other and gets the Anime to change things. Makes no real sense for All Offical licensed Media to not be canon…

For PP

"Phantom Parade!- It's out now!! They've done it justice and faithfully brought back the original work! Fit with stylish and cool battles, you can even do "Domain Expansion" via your smartphone!!" - Akutami Gege.

If none of these things are canon you gotta argue GEGE has actively let Criminals use his characters and in term lost control of JJK.

And The anime original stuff is just Mappa filling gaps between the fights

Gege has a large authority over his media and trust them a lot. When Modulo Released Gege biggest fear was him losing control of his media like I said earlier.
Just to say it again The Stage-Play being allowed to be produced makes no sense as he would shut it down quickly and Japanese

Is stated to be equal to Rika so Tamamo-No-Mae is stronger than Gojo

Counter argument debunk

“Gege didn’t believe Gojo was the strongest” In 0 and the main manga. Miguel being strong is shown in both versions. The story tells us how strong Gojo is and even in the LN it’s stated Gojo ain’t the average special grade sorcerer. Miguel 10 minutes is canon in both 0 and the main manga and he’s called strong/The MVP in the fan book and in the main manga

For the poison fumes from Tamamo-No-Mae

Gojo limitless can’t detect it what so ever

Hananmi has fumes that can make Gojo freeze and look at flowers for a few seconds

Gojo from his teenager days still has this flaw

Gojo statement supports this by showing how he would lose to Geto even without Rika

Gojo genuinely would duck Geto in a fight instead of fighting him and instead go save Yuta because he knows he can’t hang with him

Again backed up from the weaker cursed in Geto arsenal. The weaklings show some superiority to him. Being above him in combat speed, and these curses are only grade 4-2. Tamomo-No-Mae would upscale from this and would be able to precoetion blitz him

> *Yuta and the others braced themselves. However, there were simply too many enemies to take on directly.* ***Even if Gojo and the others stepped in, they were not at a distance where they could escape completely unscathed.***

Gojo is literally not even a few meters away

https://imgur.com/gallery/gojo-fpbwLOQ

(Source) https://imgur.com/a/mCWfkvu

Yes the state play is canon and Gege is supervising it

There are three in particular. One is Kenjaku obviously who got a counter to it and it’s anti gravity which can deactivate black hole.

Second is Goatji Fushiguro, who can turn off the black hole via inverted spear is heaven. Black hole is made from technique called star rage so toji just gotta touch black hole with isoh and easily deactivate black hole.

Third is Miguel, who can turn off the black hole via black rope.

Most overrated characters in the verse?

Yes Geto WOULD offscreen Yuki in the domain clash.

Miguel is conceded by GOJO to be a physical threat in general and even possibly towards himself.

Miguel's physique\physical capacity being praised by Gojo

その中で、日本では珍しいフィジカル、骨格や筋肉を持つミゲルが、呪力強化を備えてるだけで、こっちとしては脅威なわけ。

Gojo - "But among them, Miguel has a physique that's rare in Japan, his bone structure and  musculature and just having that combined with cursed energy reinforcement makes him a threat.**”

脅威って、五条先生にとってもですか？

Yuta - "When you say 'a threat,' do you mean even to you, Gojo-Sensei?"

そうだねぇ。伝わるか分かんないけど、僕とミゲルが術式なし、呪力強化ありの身体能力で競ったら、線の動きなら勝てるけど…

**Gojo - "**Yeah, I guess\I suppose so. Not sure if this’ll get the point across, but if Miguel and I were competing using nothing but our physical abilities—with no cursed techniques, just cursed energy reinforcement—I could beat him in straight-line\linear movement… but…”

These do have some different translations, but the primary ones that I've seen in this scene are roughly trying to portray the same thing; Miguel is being stated to be an actual physical threat by Gojo\Gojo is praising Miguel's physical capacity and is even admitting that Miguel CAN pose a threat to him physically. Admittedly; didn't get these scans\translations myself so if these aren't correct I do apologize lmao.

Miguel being made an equal\relative to Gojo

Miguel on entrance to his fight with Sukuna is stated as a "Rival" to Gojo; implying that during their fight in Vol. 0, even when Miguel is told by Geto to merely "buy time" instead of actually properly fighting. This doesn't necessarily indicate that Miguel would have outright WON against Gojo had he went all out\fought with intention to box Gojo, it just means that he would've likely done better against him.

'Rival' --> "To Equal or Match: To possess qualities, beauty, or skill that approach or match another [Gojo]"

Regardless of this being an editors note or not; this is generally just backed up by Gojo not being able to go over to assist Yuta vs. Geto in the manga\LN\movie, but this is the most "up to interpretation" part of this post for sure. Though u/ShalkaScarf certainly could come in and confirm why an editors note is valid..........

Moving on tho: On top of all of this already; Gojo upon just LOOKING at Miguel [albeit through the blindfold] says that he looks like he'd be a "pain in the ass\troublesome" in most translations.

Miguel having the plan to buy time instead of fighting & being called a pain in the ass by Gojo [Also holy fuck Miguel is so ugly in 0]

Now, this might SEEM like a Miguel glaze post with all of this just talking about him; but I promise
it's not. This ties back into Sukuna lmao

https://preview.redd.it/os6og7j0wwuh1.png?width=549&format=png&auto=webp&s=e184a78bac63d4fef1f32d0589877e584bbb9485

https://preview.redd.it/l26o024fwwuh1.png?width=600&format=png&auto=webp&s=b27bf8c1824fd370f9779a8e5a4ffa3ee0c46f2e

Miguel & Sukuna are shown in 255 to go back and forth; with Miguel having Prayer Song\Hakuna Laana on to buff himself and debuff Sukuna's capacity. This doesn't directly seem like a Sukuna upscale considering he's getting outpaced\outdone by Miguel in H2H, but this Sukuna is still weakened by quite a bit. This Sukuna is shown to still be missing 2 hands which undoubtedly does NOT help his current situation against Miguel.

However, even with all of the various debuffs that this Sukuna currently has; he's still able to somewhat participate in the fight with Miguel & the other sorcerers later in this scene. He's getting pressed and is technically on the backfoot, but again, that can just be due to his injuries.

Semi-TLDR: Any "lacking damage" that Miguel showed in 255 onto Sukuna is merely a TF Sukuna upscale rather than a Miguel or Gojo downscale, and TF Sukuna at full power\full health would just be insane to deal with for anyone; calamities included.

For legal reason this is a joke and they’re not shikigami

But