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I've been in the kitchen way too long, and yesterday after making my theory about ancient weapons... Today i watched Ohara's video about "Biblo's true secret!" and here i am again, making a new theory.

On my previous post i was speculating that each ancient weapon was based on Judaism primordial beings, the Ziz ruler of the sky, Leviathan ruler of the seas, and Behemoth ruler of the lands.

And in that theory i speculated Leviathan is large island carrying whale, Laugh tale is on the back of this whale. But after watching Ohara's theory video about these ancient animals, one key detail was brought up. Ope Ope no mi's ability to swap consciousness with anything really.

The mural speaks after sun was killed, sea raged... What if in desperate attempt to save Joyboy, ope ope no mi was used to transplant Joyboy's conciousness to a large whale.

Now Roger's comment "Joyboy... I wish i had been born in the same era as you!" makes a lot more sense. He was literally talking with Joyboy trough the "Voice of all things".

And when you look at the cover art of chapter 234, we have a whale wearing straw hat. <---- could that be Oda's attempt to foreshadow the reveal of Joyboy being a whale.

That also makes you wonder, what exactly Doflamingo wanted to use ope ope no mi's conciousness swap ability for?

And let's talk about island whales and their love for Bink's Sake <---- What if Island whale is the species of whale Joyboy is trapped in, and he has sung the bink's sake for centuries which only island whales could understand... And then comes rumbar pirates singing that very same song instantly grabbing the attention of laboon.

I recently have been investigating ancient weapons from all angles, and i have come to believe Pluton is not a real ancient weapon, but a manmade antiweapon against actual ancient weapons. <--- You can read my previous post about this subject (Where i speculate chapter 0 talking about Uranus)

And today i stumbled upon interesting Judaism story which i believe Oda has used as inspiration for the "three ancient weapons", and this story is about 3 primordial beings:

- The ziz, ruler of the skies.

- Leviathan, ruler of the seas.

- Behemoth, ruler of the lands.

We don't know much at all about ancient weapons expect poseidon... And what we know about Poseidon, she can control sea kings. Then we did see something similar happening with momonosuke, he was able to control Zunesha... And in alabasta the lore felt heavy on "birds", and that's when i started wondering... If Uranus is related to sky, could Vivi be able to command Uranus?

The ancient weapons are creatures controlled by ancient bloodline.

1. Shirashoshi carries the bloodline of poseidon, thus the ancient weapon of the sea is going to be Leviathan (With a name of it's own) oh yeah, Leviathan is going to be a WHALE! <--- That's why whales so special.

2. Momonosuke carries the bloodline of "land", thus the ancient weapon of the land is going to be "Zunesha" aka the behemoth.

3. Vivi carries the bloodline of "Uranus", thus the ancient weapon of the sky is going to be "The ziz".

And this is probably why Imu had pictures of Shirahoshi and Vivi, but not Momonosuke because he was not aware of his existence, due to Toki sending him into 20 years in future.

I was also wondering, what special is about Nidhogg fruit and why Imu called him a traitor? Could there be some correlation with powerful devil fruits been used against ancient weapons?

Perhaps something like this:

- Nidhogg vs The ziz

- Hellflame serpent vs Zunesha

- ??? Vs Leviathan aka whale <---- This basically kills my theory, because devil fruit users can't literally swim... But then again, what exactly was Davy Jones and cursed to to the sea? Becoming sea devil? Maybe the only devil fruit user able to swim?

Many people don't know this, but Oda wrote chapter 0 which is 100% canon to the main story, the chapter was also animated as an episode as prequel to the movie "Strong world", but the anime gives very different story about ancient weapon. In manga it's "roger knows the location" but in anime it states "We use that weapon you have found!" [I USED GOOGLE TO GET THE DATES, YOU CAN GO DOUBLE CHECK THE FACTS BEFORE COMMENTING HOW RELIABLE AI IS]

Shiki is not idiot, also the reply Roger gives to Shiki hint's he has the weapon and has no desire to rule. Also Roger learns year later about Shirahoshi would be born 10 years later <---- And to further drive the nail to the coffin, year before Edd war, Roger had already visited fishman island. Year after he returned to fishman island with Oden.

In manga chapter the egg on oro jackson is not visible, but in the anime it is... And the egg is also 100% canon, because Oda has drawn it to the ship multiple times.

And before you start commenting:

1. We know Poseidon is in Fishman island, Roger knew that also.

2. Pluton is supposedly under Wano....

3. The only weapon Shiki could possibly be talking about is Uranus. And what kind of obsession Shiki had? It had to do with animals. <--- And it just so happens that the first time we see this massive egg on Oro jackson, is also the time when Shiki attacks Roger.

Some of you are adamant that Imu has "Uranus" because that is what was used to destroy Lulusia. But... We don't know what was used to destroy Lulusia, all evidence points the weapon used to destroy Lulusia was Pluton. What evidence?

1. We know Pluton is weapon used to destroy islands, just like Lulusia was destroyed.

2. We know Pluton is some type of ship, because blueprints of it existed... And it was very advanced ship at that because Franky was shocked how humans could even build something like that, while he had already built dozen extremely dangerous battleships at young age by himself.

3. We most likely had our very first glimpse of "Pluton" in the mural... And it was the flying ship shooting a beam. And how was Lulusia destroyed? Something massive flew over the city and destroyed it. <--- And this happened 6 chapters after we learn that Sukiyaki has never seen Pluton nor he can show the Pluton to us. <---- And we also learned Oden wanted to open borders, which robin questioned why would he do that if it released Pluton, whom Sukiyaki responded "I have no idea what Oden might have learned at the outside world" <---- We know Oden's wife was from the Wano where Pluton was supposedly stored... Makes you wonder what she could have possibly told Oden to cause Oden to consider opening borders at the risk of releasing "Pluton".

4. Have you ever wondered... Why one of the ancient weapons is manmade? I believe Pluton is 4th ancient weapon designed to go on sea, land and sky. It was desgined to battle against the three other ancient weapons. And i believe the unknown ancient weapon is going to be the "land" and it's going to be hellflame serpent.

But yeah, what are your thoughts on the subject? Was i making stuff up or am i actually making a point here?

I tried to gather all the panels which talk about "Pluton" and how it is treated. On picture 18 is picture of mural, i highlighted what i believe is Pluton and why i also included "Noah" on picture 19 is to prove that Mural depicts the ships accurately. And notice the plank pattern on Noah matching that of Pluton. On picture 20 we have maxim, it looks nothing like the picture of the flying ship on mural. On picture 16 you can read how SOMETHING is flying over Lulusia before destroyed. On 10th and 11th picture we see spandam talking to Gorosei about Pluton blueprints and they just tell him "Talk later how to use them".

That just raises the question, why was WG interested to get the Pluton blueprints 🤔 Maybe to prevent anyone else from building a "counter" weapon against their Pluton. On picture the guy claims he has never seen the Pluton although it should be few steps below them, also to add... Kaido had "Jack" fishman which is why kaido knew about the poneglyph, but did not know there was Pluton also? <--- That alone indicatea the Pluton has never been under "old wano", but instead it has been on WG for 800 years. The only problem with powering the Pluton was the lack of motherflame which vegapunk finally offered them.

Oda often parallel's future arcs from arc's we have seen so far. Thriller bark is one of the most interesting arc's in the concept that people without their shadows will be wiped out by the "sun".

The people of the D are known as enemies of the gods in certain region. On the last picture Sanji speaks how Moria was able to control bodies by manipulating shadows, that the two share somekind of link <---- EVEN WHEN THEY ARE APART. I did not add the manga panel where Brook talks about how shadows have souls of their own.

It's just that i have many times attempted to question it... Is Luffy really a sun god?

1 devil fruit cannot exist in two person, this law however was broken with Oars, because Oars had Luffy's shadow and was able to stretch his body just like Luffy.

And if Joyboy was the sun god... What if Imu was the shadow of Joyboy? And this would explain why Moria was tried to assasinate during marineford war.

I don't know if Imu and Joyboy was separated with Morias df ability, or could it have been the power of Nika fruit which allowed the separation of shadow. Because the power of nika fruit is "imagination".

However it would mean Joyboy's shadow had NIKA ABILITIES. And that could explain why Imu has so many abilities, because all those abilities are result of imagination.

Joyboy died and the fruit went to next person, but Joyboy's shadow stayed behind... Meaning that 2 Nika fruit abilities could exist same time. It would also explain the vague abilitie explanation on imu "Devil's fruit".

So would imu's sun god title be the "night sun"? "Shadow sun"?

I recently read interesting lore drop from someone else regarding the 5 aztec sun gods and how their story parallel the one piece mural story.

And that made me do some more research about aztec myths and i stumbled upon "Fire Serpent" called Xiuhcoatl. Xiuhcoatl was sun god's weapon.

What's interesting is that in the mural we learn that earth god together with fire serpent basically destroyed the first world. But that's all we know about fire serpent, we are not given any other clues. Some people have theorized red serpent is the red line... But what about the absurdly long sword stuck on Elbaf? Giant's are ants compared to that sword.

If Oda has indeed been using aztec myth as reference to write in his story, the Fire Serpent could be that sword stuck on Elbaf.

I can't predict what kind of twist to the story he is going to make regarding this info...

As i mentioned on first section about 5 sun god lore, i have theorized long time that there has been multiple "Nika's" troughout one piece... And my strongest evidence comes from the different variations of Nika we have seen. We have seen 4 variations of Nika and Luffy is supposed to be the 5th and final "Sun God".

1. Who's who Sun God had spear and sword

2. Jarul's sun God had sword and shield with nika symbol (Some wavy clouds around him)

3. Chapter 1175 flashback Sun God had sword and shield on opposite hands compared to n.2, and this sun god also had same lips as IMU. Oh yeah, the shield also had cross symbol, which Imu uses. <---- I explain below why this ONE LOOKS LIKE IMU.

4. Mural Nika has samurai ponytail type of hair, but similar to n. 2

5. Vegapunk's Nika is very similar to what Luffy looks like on gear 5.

And Luffy is the only Nika depicted without a sword, all other variations had a sword.

Who is number 3. Sun god? Joyboy, why Joyboy has similar lips to Imu? Because IMU is Joyboy's brother. Either Imu is Joyboy's brother or Joyboy's actual shadow.

But i won't delve deeper into that, i wanted to point out that there is evidence suggesting multiple Nika's had existed and every one of them were slightly different... But what was common among all of them was the SWORD.

And i can only think of Sun God being able to turn into giant so large that it could wield the sword stuck on Elbaf. Onigashima could very well be the skull of very first sun god.

I don't believe Luffy will ever wield a sword, and that very sword could be the reason why EVERY OTHER NIKA FAILED. Why? Because in norse mythology there are powerful CURSED SWORDS.

I believe Oda is going to use aztec myth about fire serpent being a sword, but with a twist making it a cursed sword like those of norse mythology which only bring tragedy to the user.

And that's why every other Nika has failed, they used the cursed sword which wants nothing more but the world to burn.

And Luffy is going to be the last Sun God who will not wield the sword <---- Sure, Luffy will most likely do something stupid during a fight with Imu like for example who can grow bigger (We have seen imu having ability to grow) and Luffy overdoes it so much that he grows so large to grab the sword that he might grab the sword just to try hit Imu with it, but it will activate and awaken Fire Serpent inside the sword. I bet the fire serpent will attempt to "corrupt" Luffy like the biblical serpent in the garden who tempted Adam and Eve to sin.

I tried using google image search but gave nothing.