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I'm not saying Kirby intented Orion and Lightray to be a couple like Avia and Izaya, but I think, he tried to parallel Orion and Lightrays "Pesimistic warrior poet and joyful artist" with Avia and Izaya, to have Orion forced with a bondad similar, but still far from Izaya bond with Avia, I think there's a clear purpose on showing how similar Izaya was to Orion, and that even him had someone near who was optimistic joyful, but lost them, something that sink them more into the cruelty of war and had to face reckoning by the source, his inherance, but if Izaya is the pure source, Orion is something different.

In my opinion? They look amazing, even the punky Forever People (I love the idea)

Hi Guy!, I have today a comic analysis, I was midway Final Crisis, and took a break, saw an analysis about how the Vampire Monitors represents leech editors like Dan Didio, and the Death of the New Gods represent how even the shiniest ideas can die due to hopeless and cosmic nihilism, but I thought, there was something... left, why Turpin was so involved?, what does it means him being Darkseid? When anti-life represents self-hate, depression and nihilism, and then I remembered, Turpin was used as a Kirby stand in Superman TAS, so... if the Monitors are the editors, the New Gods die, and Kirby is Turpin... That makes me lead to one conclusion, Final Crisis isn't just a story about good and evil, it's a story about imagination, dedicated to the experience the King of comics had in the comic industry, "Kid, comics will break your heart". So to start this, we should go to the first issue, that starts with Turpin finding Orion's corpse, this might rep the cancellation of the Fourth World titles during the 70s, then Turpins goes to Dark Side club to find out about the dissapearances, finding Boss Dark Side, who infects him with anti-life, like I said, anti-life is depression based on the emptiness of ideas, the lost of the being and the imagination, Turpin's slowly infection into Darkseid might be a metaphor to Kirby's own dissapoinment on the industry. Meanwhile, moving in another, more cosmic place, we see the land of the Monitors, with Nix Uotan, Nix Uotan might represent an editor with good intentions, who wounds up bad, and I think, about Jenette Khan (This'll be far more important later), someone who values the ideas, loves those ideas, instead of just leeching of them, and trying to save it, that being Earth-51's destruction, I interpret this as a stand to the DC's explosion and implosion of the 70s, one of Jenette's doings in the industry, the other important Monitor is Mandraak, this is really easy to interpret, Mandraak is a bad editor stand, someone who leechs from the ideas of others, a vampire who doesn't think of the industry as art, but as a piece of money instead. We have to see then, Kamandi, a boy who is moving through time and space, to save his world, I think, Morrison using him represents how he was the most succesful Kirby series in DC, but then, we have to move to Turping being totally Darkseid now, totally depressed on the industry, "Kids, comics will break your heart", while Nix has to save the day and with the JLA, they free Turpin, this might... actually be a stand for Superpowers' truce that let Kirby finish the Fourth World, and I think, the use of the Legion of Superheroes is because of Paul Levitz, who with Jenette Khan, helped Kirby to come back and finish Fourth World, and so, The New Gods are reborn in Earth-51, protecting it, and as you can see, I see it as the New Gods #6(1985) and The Hunger Dogs storylines, giving Kirby the opportunity to use again those bright ideas, and so, those wonderful ideas can born again, in a wonderful world to protect. I hope you enjoy my analysis, I know it's kinda crazy but I put my whole heart on it!

Uhhh, I like the Astro Harness, probably going to buy it separately from the pack, I like Darkseid but, 0 accesories? I'm not Hungry, sorry Todd

I'm currently forming collection fixated in the New Gods (I'm adding Evanier Tpbs, Ram V Tpbs, Final Crisis, etc next time), I ofc started with collecting Kirby's, (I'm now saving money to buy the Hunger Dogs), so I said to myself "Why don't I add more Kirby creations I like?" So I added the Demon!, I'm looking forward to center my DC collection on New Gods and Demon as my fav Kirby creations (Unrelated but my idea is that my rest of my collection will have Hawkman/Hawkwoman merch, Green Lantern, Losh, etc), hope you like how it's looking!

I think Scott and Shilo might be a Carter/Katar situation, I know this sounds crazy, but let me explain myself first, after finished Mister Miracle by Grant Morrison, and most of the Seven soldiers (Just 3 issues left to finish), this means I've read most Shilo Norman appearances through DC, so, let me explain myself why I think Shilo Norman, is actually the manifestation of the God of Freedom in the 5th World, World that it's stated, would thrive in earth, with each human worthy of a mythology.

First, I'm gonna go to Mister Miracle (1989), in the arc where Shilo makes his return and offically takes the Mister Miracle mantle, during this arc e see Mother Box going wild against the idea of Shilo (A human) being in posession of a power that nurtures directly from the source, due to that, Scott and Shilo have to do a wild triple through the source, so the source will accept Shilo as an EQUAL to Scott, so, I analyze this as not just passing mantle, but actually as the source recognizing Shilo as the God of Freedom of the 5th World, he and Scott are manifestations for diff worlds of one and the same being, Freedom, they're proven as equal, Shilo is the first canon human to be recognized as an equal to the New Gods, so... This makes me think, Shilo Norman is a human New God from the 5th World.

Now we have to go to Morrison's work at the JLA, where at the end Metron states that the 5th World will blossom in earth, like I mentioned, this has consequences for Final Crisis where that 5th World starts but Darkseid tries to trick the Black Racer and get to be part of that 5th World, even sending a bullet through time to kills his son, Orion, as a nasty vengeance as Orion killed him at the end of the 4th World, a War in heaven happened, the wrong side won, the Dark Side won.

Before these events is when Seven Soldiers happens, with Shilo finding about the death of the New Gods and they seeking help on him, who's multiples time stated as the "Spirit of Freedom", the one who can escape Omega, the life trap, and during this series, we can see the New Gods falling on earth as humans, with Granny, The Females Furies, Desaad, etc, and the New Gods of New Genesis especially, as a bunch of homeless people living in the dirt, but even there finding community and confort between eachother like they used to in New Genesis, I think is no coincidence that Scott is nowhere to be seen or mentioned during this whole series, he's never mentioned and Shilo acts like Thaddeus was his only mentor, Scott never needed to come back, there was a Freedom spirit in the 5th World, Shilo Norman, an equal to the New Gods, and actually, a New God too, a new god of the 5th World, basically, multiples times it's showed that Shilo and Scott are very similar in many ways, like both being inmune to the anti-life equation as we saw during Orion by Simonson and Seven Soldiers: Mister Miracle, Shilo is powerful on his one, an equal to Scott, a New God, and the Freedom Spirit of the 5th World who has to free the New Gods of the 4th World and don't let the Dark Side infect the 5th World at its start.

Thank you for reading my theory, I know it's kinda crazy but I hope y'all enjoy it and gives y'all a new view on the 4th World mythos and the Mister Miracle Comics!.

I really love Jack Kirby and I already have the Fourth World, so... a little of *Satanic* things wouldn't be bad, at the end, gone gone was the man, and the arises the Demon... Etrigan

This is a take by Tom King, showrunner and writer of Mister Miracle (2017), the book that it's being adapted, this and more phrases are why I just, don't trust King with New Gods, things like "Scott is a Jesus-like figure", "Apokolips is Hell", "Orion is a Bully who grew in a mansion" and "I don't put politics, it's boring" it completely misunderstand the point of the Fourth World, first, the point of Scott is not, Sacrifying for the sins of the Gods, that's just, not true, if you read Mister Miracle, it's mainly about an optimistic life who wants to put his old life behind, but he can't escape from it, until he faces it and ends up victoriously, Scott is a pawn, someone who doesn't want to be part of all this cosmic game, something that writers respected, DeMatteis, Moench, gave beautiful versions of Mister Miracle and his relationship with the rest of the New Gods, then, Apokolips is hell is one of the worst 4th World takes, it misunderstand the point of Apokolips, no one is born evil there, all are corrupted, their spirits infected throught their will power is minimun, all to serve Darkseid, all for Darkseid's being, everyone is a victim, even Darkseid's himself, he wasn't born evil, no, he loved, once loved, Suli was the love of his life, until Heggra killed her, and corrupted Darkseid's spirit (I really like the Yuga Khan's arc of Evanier for expanding in that), Darkseid isn't just a God of evil, he is but just, not that, that system is corrupt, and even when they try to sane and become better, their torture haunts them, and so here we go with Orion, Orion is a character that Tom King thought he was writing with Scott, seriously, how Tom King describes and says "Scott is someone hiding his worst traits behind a mask" that's Orion character, someone with low self-esteem, a hate for himself and who he is and what he could be, yeah, he was raised in New Genesis, but in Apokolips too, Tigra protected him but he was still victim of the abuse and violence, and Tigra didn't know how to taught love, Orion first learned violence, then he learned love at the hands of people like Izaya or Lightray, but the scars doesn't cure easily, if you were first raised with violence, that violence endures, Orion feels his anger issues are because of "Apokolips" and he's a paranoid on becoming evil, on becoming what he fears, he treats Darkseid as a cautionary tale of what he could be, Orion is against any kind of attachment due how he was raised, he feels out of place in New Genesis for being "Violent" having violent thoughts daily, even if he don't wants to, and sometimes, those violent thoughts manifest in events like the Glory Boat, where he explode, he isn't evil, he'll never be, he's not Darkseid, and he definitely learns that in "The Hunger Dogs" the great ending of the saga, it isn't a giant battle, it's a tale of a dictatorship falling because the people found out about how weak their leader actually is, how tired he's of everything, all of that revolution starting because of Orion, knowing people like Bekka, Himon, etc, made him realize that his anger issues aren't something Apokoliptian, it's actually about nurture against nurture too, Esak shows Orion that evil can be born in New Genesis, with bad conditions, the Fourth World is an amazing tale about who we are and what we could do with ourselves, and Tom King fails to understand that

I was looking through my Fourth World books, and saw something really interesting, how Kirby drawing Darkseid is really different between the 70s and the 80s, the Darkseid of the 70s looks rocky, a monster without much expression but scary looking, a unique and perfect design for someone like Darkseid, then in his comeback in the 80s, we see a more, Meat-like? Look of Darkseid, he's far more expresive and more human-like, I really prefer the 70s design though I have no problem with the 80s look, due to some kind of love for Superpowers I have (Y'all, read Superpowers, It's what inspired the Rock of Ages of Morrison), while I say thanks for other artists for ended up using again the rocky aspect of Darkseid, is a far more unique and scare design than his Meat like look, very iconic (Love how Giffen draws it)

Fourth world part 2 is a must buy by me, I bought the first part and loved how it was made, while Orion, I'll stick with the old redditions due to them being cheaper, but glad Orion is coming!!!

Hi, I want to talk this day about New Gods headcanons and why you like them, I'm gonna tell one:

-The World of the Legion of Superheroes is the 5th World, this theory thrives directly from the run of JLA by Morrison, at the end, in the saga known as WWIII, it's stated that in earth, the 5th World will flourish, and that Superheroes are but a glimpse of what will come, my headcanon starts with the similarities between the society saw in the Legion and the society saw in New Genesis, both are crowded with people with super powers, all of them guided by the young, the 4th World has a main point, the future, the peace, is guided by the youth, this is similar to the point of the Legion of Superheroes, where the youth are the ones who guide this universe to a brighter future, 2cond thing, in the Great Darkness Saga it's stated that Darkseid was already defeated but tricked his way into surviving (This is not an idea against Kirby's depiction of the character, this is similar to BlackMass from Captain Victory, who's Darkseid after the last battle in Armaghetto, who was defeated but tricked his way into surviving), so we know the 4th World already ended for this point, my theory stands that, the 5th World Metron mentioned during JLA by Morrison is the LOSH universe, Superman inspired it due to being him who was the greatest glimpse of the 5th World and the one who was nearer to the New Gods of the 4th World,

What are your thoughts my friends?, Do you like my headcanon?, tell me yours

I expert Orion as the protagonist, because Scott was last book's main character, the comeback of Lightray, see the other Forever People aside of Serifan, see more support characters make their comeback (Like Pythia, Jezebelle, Tigra, etc) and more love to this Wide universe